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| I Am Alone.... Tifa And Aeris Same Phrase; Cloud's reaction at this words | |
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| Jon Snow | Nov 28 2010, 10:54 PM Post #31 |
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Surrrrrrrre *tardface* :lol: No but seriously, I've been looking for that site anywayz xD --Actually, never mind. *head desk* I just remembered, I believe my sister downloaded it for me a few weeks back. Lemme go ask her. :lol: |
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| Anastar | Nov 29 2010, 04:07 PM Post #32 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Thanks, Quex - and thanks to Forty Six, too. ![]() BTW, you two - where it was downloaded from is at the top of the scan: FFsky.com ![]()
Oh, I'd forgotten that Saeki translated it for us. Thanks!Another question about THIS SCAN *Aeris* asked about why the CloudxAerith Date scene is shown on that page if the page is confirming that Cloti is canon - which I've always wondered about, too. If the page is supposed to confirm that Cloti is canon, then the Date scene would be irrelevant. I just realized something: That page shows the most romantic optional scene for both couples. That would mean that who Cloud loves is optional and therefore up to interpretation. The heading at the top of the page is talking about the love between protagonists in Final Fantasy. Both Aerith and Tifa have been said to be heroines of FFVII, so they are both protagonists along with Cloud. That page is showing both heroines with Cloud, in their most romantic *optional* moment with him. So wouldn't it really be saying that who Cloud loves is optional? |
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| *Aeris* | Nov 29 2010, 04:32 PM Post #33 |
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According to that, yes. But still AC/ACC proves that even if the player chose Tifa to be Cloud's lover it won't change Cloud's feelings towards Aerith. Even the ending of FF7 proves me that Cloud cared about Aerith...very much no matter how romantic everything gets with Tifa. Damn...if only things weren't so complicated -__- |
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| Anastar | Nov 29 2010, 04:56 PM Post #34 |
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I don't mean that it changes his feelings toward Aerith. However, there's no *conclusive* proof about what his feelings for Aerith are, just like there's no *conclusive* proof about what his feelings for Tifa are. The Clerith Date scene implies that he loves Aerith, but it's optional. The High Affection HW scene implies that he loves Tifa, but it's optional. Therefore, his feelings for both girls is up to the player.
That's the way I see it, and that's the way you see it - but there's many people who disagree with us. That's only our opinion and our interpretation of the ending. I'm just saying that the scan means that Cloud can love either girl, and that it all depends on how you play the game. So there's nothing definite - it's left up to interpretation. |
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| Zee | Nov 29 2010, 06:11 PM Post #35 |
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Ah, remember when that scan of "koibito" came out and it was the "end of the LTD!"...and then CoLW came out? Yeah. I would take these scans with a grain of salt. :lol: This thread reminds me of something a friend pointed out to me -- not just how Cloud's attitude differs between Aeris and Tifa, but also how he's sort of taken on Aeris' way of dealing with things. Near the end of CoT, doesn't he give Tifa a smile before he leaves? Sort of reminds me of Aeris' cheery disposition towards Cloud just before she died. Interesting how in both cases he's still chasing after her. I know Cloud/Aeris is usually associated with "opposites attract" but there's a lot of interesting parallels between them, especially when Cloud finds out he's dying. |
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| Jon Snow | Nov 29 2010, 06:20 PM Post #36 |
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*is too blonde for my own good* Thanks Aly, I totally missed that ![]()
Yeah, SE throwing Aerith's date in there kind puts a stump in the whole "let's declare Cloti canonz ya'll!" thing that people are believing that scan does. ![]()
Yeah, I said that a while back to Shiva. Both of the women are protagonists and I've always been under the impression that it was talking about the love from each woman rather than Cloud's love for either girl. Just makes more sense, ye know? I mean, if it was about Cloud's feelings to either girl, why include two optional scenes? Especially if they're trying to canonize one pairing over the other. That's why I've always kinda been confused on how Clotis thought that scan canonized Cloti.
As it's always been. :lol: |
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| Anastar | Nov 30 2010, 03:06 PM Post #37 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Well, it just seems to me that if the page title talks about love between the protagonists of different Final Fantasies, that all pictures on the page would fit with that title. Therefore, that's what the pic of the Clerith date must be showing, too. Why else would SE even show the Clerith date on that page if it doesn't show (optional) love between the two in the picture? Otherwise, the Clerith date pic would be completely irrelevant.
Trouble is, the title of the page is talking about love *between* protagonists, so that's talking about a mutual love for each other.
Well, if they were trying to canonize only one pairing, why show both pairings on the page? I think we were so focused on what they were claiming in THIS ARTICLE that we didn't really think about the significance of the Clerith date picture on the page. |
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| Jon Snow | Nov 30 2010, 08:02 PM Post #38 |
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This is true.
Is it? I wasn't sure.
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense for them to include both pairings if they really wanted to canonize one pairing over the other. But, do Clotis believe it canonizes C/T solely because of the picture being mentioned or because of the context on the page? |
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| Aerire Fairy | Nov 30 2010, 09:34 PM Post #39 |
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Yeah they do. It's like one of the main reasons why they believe right now that cloti is official. That and they also seem to believe that Cloud and Tifa living together equals as pure love for each other. Even though people live together with brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts. It's almost like they are trying to imply incest. Lols. |
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| Jon Snow | Nov 30 2010, 09:54 PM Post #40 |
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But I wanna know if they feel it's just the picture being on that page or is it the context of the page that make them believe it canonizes Cloti?
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| Shiva | Nov 30 2010, 09:59 PM Post #41 |
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From what I've heard, it's pretty much both for them, Forty-Six. It's both the pic and the context that they take into account. They just ignore the fact that the ClAeris date scene is shown as well. :rolleyes: |
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| Anastar | Nov 30 2010, 09:59 PM Post #42 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Here's the actual heading: For the one I love Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two’s value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come. Therefore, the whole page is about love between the protagonists of Final Fantasies. But once again, why is the Clerith Date Scene picture under that heading if no love is shown in the Date Scene? Yes, it's optional - but so is the Highwind scene.
I would say it's the context of the page, because the page is showing the canon pairings of different Final Fantasies and the title at the top says, "For the one I love". Here's what they say in the old article at Lifestream.net about This Just In: The Love Triangle Is Over about the pic of the HW scene: As you can see, the image is of Cloud and Tifa’s night under the Highwind. That on a page entitled ‘for the one I love’ is very conclusive in its own right. The text, however, takes it a step further, and reads The night before the final battle Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match. Read that again. ‘without using words, [Cloud] confirms with [Tifa] that their feelings match.’ So, not only can we unequivocally state that these matching feelings are those of love, but that these feelings of love are confirmed without words. In other words, physically. So, yes, there was almost certainly sex under the Highwind that night. I do not wish to bore everyone with a regurgitation of all the related materials, but this does confirm that yes, Cloud and Tifa’s relationship past this point are that of lovers. And that, my friends, settles the Love Triangle. Even if you don’t want to believe it. So it's the title of the page as well as the caption saying that Cloud confirms with Tifa that their feelings match. I call that the context of the page. But notice that they don't say anything about page 232 at the top of the HW scene picture where it says that there are two versions of the HW scene, that the contents of their conversation changes depending on the degree of affection, and that strong feelings are expressed only when Tifa's degree of affection is high. (Notice that it says when Tifa's affection is high - not Cloud's). Furthermore, the same article at Lifestream.net (This Just In: The Love Triangle Is Over) says this under the picture of the Clerith date scene:: First, is a picture discussing the Gold Saucer date. The text describing it reads Secret date At the Gold Saucer, Cloud receives an invitation from one of his companions. Who comes around with the invitation is dependent on Cloud’s behavior. Nothing so amazing, no, all it tells us is that the date itself is up to player control, so no one version is ‘official,’ but the next section is not only what hopefully will make for a swift end to the LTD, but also confirms a scenario I have been arguing in favor of for quite a number of years. Notice what it says in the part I highlighted? It says that there's no official version of the Date scene because it's up to player control. If it's up to player control, then it's optional - just like the Highwind scene. So Lifestream.net specifically says that there's no official version to a scene when there's optional versions. Funny that they say that when the same Ultimania says that there's two versions of the Highwind scene, eh? :lol: And so they dismiss the Clerith date picture because it says that who he goes out with is dependent on Cloud's behavior. Well, which version of the Highwind scene you get is also dependent on Cloud's behavior. It doesn't say that under the HW scene picture, but it *does* say that on page 232: Deviation - Two versions of the conversation before the final battle Prior to the final battle, the contents of the conversation between Cloud and Tifa can change depending on the degree of Tifa's affection. If the degree of affection is high, the contents of the two's conversation will involve deep subject matter and strong feelings for each other. As well, the sight of the two seen by their companions the next morning will lead to an embarrassing scene for Tifa, and she blushes greatly. ~page 232, Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania The degree of Tifa's affection is dependent on Cloud's behavior towards her. |
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| Jon Snow | Nov 30 2010, 10:33 PM Post #43 |
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Of course they'd ignore it. It'd ruin their "win". :lol:
I gotchya. Well, like you said, both scenes are optional. Neither can really be canon if both are optional and both are mentioned. Now that I've learned more of this, their "LTD ends" bull really does make no sense.
So basically, it was a double standard they were using? Hmm, the book/ultimania they got this scan from... how old is it? |
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| Anastar | Dec 1 2010, 03:08 PM Post #44 |
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Exactly.
According to Wikipedia, the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania was published in 2008. See Wikipedia's list of Ultimanias HERE |
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| Jon Snow | Dec 1 2010, 08:10 PM Post #45 |
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So then... by their own double standard, they announced Clourith canon when they supposedly announced Cloti canon. That can't be possible.
So... it's before Case of Lifestream, eh?
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