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He's Seen Her Face Before
Topic Started: Apr 15 2007, 05:48 PM (1,247 Views)
xx-Forever-Aerith-xx
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The Reflection Lies...
I know this is probably stupid but some people have sed to me that Cloud can't see Aerith because he hasn't forgiven himself and at the end thats why he sees her face because well he can now but i just remembered he technically seen her before the end you know obviously in the Hand reaching scene :fangirl:

so does that kinda mean that he could have seen her face if he tried hard enough? I mean that in the best possible way :)

if not just tell me :( sorry
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Shiva
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Well, it's just sort of a theory. I mean, it seemed obvious to me that Cloud hadn't seen Aerith's face before the Bahamut battle (since she died, I mean) because of the shock and wonder on his face. I am sure he felt her presence when in her church, but was unable to hear her voice or see her. Why? That question is where this theory springs from. Its roots begin in Maiden of the Planet. From my LT page:

It is entirely possible that Aerith was able to start the walls crumbling down around Cloud's heart [in AC] with, not only her words, but her touch. When Aerith touched Cloud's arm in the flower field, it was very reminiscent of a scene in the official novella Maiden of the Planet, where Aerith got to meet Barret's old friend, Dyne. Dyne's entire figure was covered in blood and he had been unable to be reunited with his wife, Eleanor, in the Lifestream. Aerith told Dyne that the blood bound to him was created from his guilt. Aerith touched Dyne's arm and the blood covering him began to disappear until he was completely cleansed. Aerith gave Dyne the ability to start over again and rebuild his heart. It was only after his guilt was eradicated that Dyne was able to be with Eleanor again. It was much the same way with Cloud. Cloud was unable to see Aerith's face in his first visit with her in the flower field. But, after their conversations and that gentle touch to his arm, Cloud's guilt and grief began to lessen. Cloud was beginning to forgive himself. He was healing. And, later in the movie, Cloud was finally able to see Aerith's beautiful face in its entirety.

That later in the movie= Bahamut battle.
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Sefie
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Wow, I'd forgotten about that part...Aeris touch= Cleansing? Aeris r Jesus :blink:
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Angelalex242
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I wouldn't go quite that far.

Aerith isn't both goddess and woman at the same time.

She's first one, then the other (arguably) after her death, but not both at once.
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Lynn
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xx-Forever-Aerith-xx
Apr 15 2007, 05:48 PM
i just remembered he technically seen her before the end you know obviously in the Hand reaching scene :fangirl:

I thought this hand-reaching scene actually occurred, for lack of a better word, "in his head." (Though I hate using that phrase, as it makes it seem Cloud's just imagining Aerith. -_-)

When Aerith reaches out to grab Cloud's hand and give him that last boost, I thought it was a symbolic scene to show how she gives him strength. (Although I also like to think, within the magic-infused world of Bahamut's flare, reality and Cloud's soul--the spiritual--intermingle into a whole other thing entirely. Similar to what happened when he went into the flowerfield whitespace.)

But, to keep it simple, I think Cloud, in "reality", never let go of his sword. The Aerith that we see in his eyes is the Aerith from his memory. But when he's in the church, the Aerith he's seeing is not from his memory. She's actually there, interacting with a third party (the children), and that's why he gets such a slack-jawed look of awe on his face. Because he never expected to see her there like that.

It could also be tied into another theory: That Cloud got depressed because he seemed to fail at the final task he'd set out at the end of the game ("I think I can meet her... there..."). Maybe he lost hope. When he sees Aerith in the church, his hope of "meeting her" is revitalised, and we see a free and healthy Cloud in CALLING.


Anyway, bottomline is, what you heard and what I'm saying are theories. It's hard to set anything in stone, except the one fact that Aerith lives on in Cloud's soul.
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Shiva
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Lynn
Apr 16 2007, 12:10 AM
I thought this hand-reaching scene actually occurred, for lack of a better word, "in his head." (Though I hate using that phrase, as it makes it seem Cloud's just imagining Aerith. -_-)

When Aerith reaches out to grab Cloud's hand and give him that last boost, I thought it was a symbolic scene to show how she gives him strength. (Although I also like to think, within the magic-infused world of Bahamut's flare, reality and Cloud's soul--the spiritual--intermingle into a whole other thing entirely. Similar to what happened when he went into the flowerfield whitespace.)

But, to keep it simple, I think Cloud, in "reality", never let go of his sword. The Aerith that we see in his eyes is the Aerith from his memory. But when he's in the church, the Aerith he's seeing is not from his memory. She's actually there, interacting with a third party (the children), and that's why he gets such a slack-jawed look of awe on his face. Because he never expected to see her there like that.

I always just thought he switched hands with his sword. :ermm: Aerith had to actually be there, IMO. Energy transferred from her hand to his (Fury Brand?) and unleashed his Climhazzard Limit Break. You can actually see the energy running up his arm.
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Kaldea
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I also think she was really there as well. When he landed after the hand reach scene in AC, he has an expression that was similar to a "Did I really see that?" reaction. I loved Cloud's face there. ^_^ I don't think he had much time to really think about what just happened though. :lol:
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Hades' Daughter
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IMO, she was actually there too.
Like what Kaldea said, until he saw her again in the end, it looked to me like he just didn't have the time to stop and fully absorb everything. If I'm not mistaken, according to RF, Aerith was there too during Cloud's ride to the Forgotten City.

I don't think any of these Cloud and Aerith scenes were memories. IMO, that would sort of go against what Nomura was saying in Distance about how they didn't want to focus on memories but that the consciousness of the dead continue to live on in others. To me, those events aren't showing memories of Aerith but her actual existence in present time.
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^^All good points (I especially forgot about that "did that just happen...?" look Cloud got after landing from Bahamut), but if Aerith was there and he saw her face, what does Cloud's expression mean by the end of movie? I always thought he looked so shock because that was the first time he truly saw Aerith again, since the time he placed her body in the lake.

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I don't think any of these Cloud and Aerith scenes were memories.

I wouldn't call them "memories", either, in that the hand-reach and flowerfield scenes happened in the past.

It's more like I thought the face he saw in the Bahamut battle is the face he remembered of Aerith. It's like imagining how your friends look, which is different from seeing them in person (i.e. when Cloud saw Aerith in the church).

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Energy transferred from her hand to his (Fury Brand?) and unleashed his Climhazzard Limit Break. You can actually see the energy running up his arm.

Wow, is that confirmed to be Fury Brand? :o I thought it was just speculation!

Although, yeah-- the hand-grabbing, the energy transfer-- I thought it was all symbolic. Aerith's presence within Cloud reaching out and giving him strength.
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Kusari Yarou
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what does Cloud's expression mean by the end of movie? I always thought he looked so shock because that was the first time he truly saw Aerith again, since the time he placed her body in the lake.

I didn't take it as shock, more like awe. That he's finally able to see Aerith in her entirety. In the hazy field, he couldn't see her face, during the Bahamut battle, he just saw her for a split second, but here, he sees her fully.
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Hades' Daughter
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I agree, Kusari.
I think that during those scenes, Cloud only saw her as we did. Everything happend so fast and her face wasn't clear at all during the fight with Bahamut. At the end of the movie, Cloud finally saw her clearly for the first time. Nevermind him, I was amazed as well seeing her in her entirety and there with everyone else. :P
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Kusari Yarou
Apr 21 2007, 06:17 PM
I didn't take it as shock, more like awe. That he's finally able to see Aerith in her entirety. In the hazy field, he couldn't see her face, during the Bahamut battle, he just saw her for a split second, but here, he sees her fully.

I took it as more of a slight shock, but as well as awe. I was so happy that Cloud could actually see her again like he remembered her. And it even shows that she HAS grown further into a beautiful woman. But I do agree with what you said Kusari.
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slowerthanaverage
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Yeah =)
Cloud was surprisedto see her just standing right at the doorway..you could tell that by the flicker in his eyes when he spotted her there..
And then she turned and whispered "You're okay now, aren't you.." --> he was in awe to see her whole face clearly (like hadeys said, so were we when watching the movie :D)
After that, Cloud's expression mellowed into serenity and contentment, as everything else faded away..."I'm not alone..." Wheee~ :cleris:

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Damaged
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That and you have the fact that he went out to go look for her in CALLING. SO kawaii!
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Lynn
Apr 16 2007, 06:10 AM


She's actually there, interacting with a third party (the children), and that's why he gets such a slack-jawed look of awe on his face. Because he never expected to see her there like that.


To Lynn:

I almost scream out "Yeah!!! I know she's not only a phantom!!" by seeing your post above.....Thank u so much for pointing that out(cry)

1. I'd rather agree with the theory that the hand-reaching scene happens in his mind, or in some unknown spaces, but he does SEE HER there. And maybe just some seconds, he'll be back to the reality, with a sword on hands, defeating Bahamut.... Cuz I think "meeting Aerith in full sight" is similar to a journey of "letting go of guit", he hears her voice and be touched on the arm, and then catches the image of her for some seconds(he must feels sooooo happy cuz last time it disappears soon after he turns), and at the end, he sees the complete pic of her.


2.I highly sumise that before AC, Cloud could not see Aerith even if he wants to. Of course he could recollect the "memory" with her in his brain time after time. But I would say even in those sweet memories, Aerith's face would disappear fast when he tries hard to see her. So that's the reason why Cloud wants to See her at present time, because he can't do that even in past memory



3. I read some articles in other sites discussing what would happen AFTER AC. Some says Aerith's smile at the end scene would be the last time for Cloud to see her "at present moment". after that, he could only recall the face through "memory".....But I don't believe that, Aerith exists in his counciousness, of course he could see her and talk to her sometime, somewhere in the future.
Remember reading "Maiden Traveling around the Planet" ? She says she'll "...be waiting, in OUR promiseland".....so she'd realize that the "Pomiseland" which belongs to Cloud and her is not afterlife, is the place where Cloud could see her at present time.


:blush: Those are my theories...
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