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Turtle Power!; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 12:25 PM (2,281 Views)
Lynn
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Inuyatta
Apr 30 2007, 04:06 AM
So tell me, is it a sin to consider the old cartoon best basis for canon? I don't know what else to go by.

Wha?! You get flak for liking the old toon? *headdesk*

No prob, I love it too! (Well, what I can remember of it, anyway...) It was what introduced me to the turtles, after all. It really doesn't matter to me if it's considered more "kiddy" than the comics or whatever--it was a fun ol' series and you gotta love the metafictional jokes they pulled!

Sadly, don't think I ever watched the episodes with Mona Lisa or Lotus Blossom, though I've read about them. I heard fans romantically attach them to Raph and Leo respectively. :lol:

I'd love to see your fic about her, though! I think it's possible to use the old toon for darker fics--it's got those "unsaid hints" that get covered up in the jokes and whatnot.

Any of you watched The Next Mutation series? They've got a female turtle there~ Never watched it myself, but apparently, the female turtle is one of Those Things you can't even joke about with Laird. *snickers*

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nor with any of the comics (frankly, I felt I shouldn't bother once I found out in one volume, they killed Donny, cut off Leo's hand and mutilated Raph's face, wtf?!)

No worries. In comics canon, I've heard Laird doesn't consider this to have happened. :lol: Donny is very much alive in the Mirage comics, and I'm pretty sure the turtles are all in one piece (Splinter has died, though).

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BTW, guys, be sure to buy the TMNT game. It's surprisingly fun (not like that Narnia and Avatar games, boo!!!). My favorite chapter is when Mikey is in a Cowabunga Carl outfit trying to meet up with Don because he took the van. The Turtles' movie VAs are here, so it was fun hearing them out.

w00t, the guys talk in their game?! Awesome! Anything to hear more of the guys (especially loved that snippet of Don and Mikey XD). I'm glad they got the movie VAs to do the voices for the video game too.

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As for Leo being kicked out by the Tribunal... why?

And what happened to Don's prequel?

Will have to scout around for more info on these two bits, in-depth discussion hasn't been all that prevalent about the prequel comics on the message boards I frequent. -_- But I'll definitely share if I find out why!

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I should really check out the comics though...and maybe the latest cartoon or something like that...I'm so confused on all of it (not easy to confuse me at this point though..)

Haha, I don't bother about the comics unless someone posts information that stands out to me. I don't read comics, don't know how their publishing works; so I really get confused between the different series they have-- apparently there's the Mirage storyline, and some kind of "Tales of ___" series, and... blargh. Maybe some other time when I'm able to hunt down each book. >_<

The cartoon is much easier to follow.

And if you guys are looking for episodes on YouTube... I, ah... [size0]I've collected whatever I found of the New Toon on my account. *cough* There might be some repeats since I sometimes forget what I've added and what I haven't. They're not in order, but each episode is clustered together so you don't have to hunt down part 1, 2 and 3s.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=10C114B508066DA1

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don'tyoujudgeme!!!
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Angelalex242
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As I recall, Leo being kicked out of the Tribunal didn't really happen, it was a dream sequence of some sort.

He heard a prophecy that the Tribunal would be betrayed and assumed Karai was automatically guilty. He moved to prevent Karai's betrayal and found out he was a traitor. This was in fact a lesson from Splinter and not the actual tribunal.
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Inuyatta
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Wha?! You get flak for liking the old toon? *headdesk*

No prob, I love it too! (Well, what I can remember of it, anyway...) It was what introduced me to the turtles, after all. It really doesn't matter to me if it's considered more "kiddy" than the comics or whatever--it was a fun ol' series and you gotta love the metafictional jokes they pulled!


Trust me, even as a little kid, I appreciated all the fourth wall breaking jokes by Raph. It was fun, it was cute, and they even poked fun at their own denial of physics

Don: How did you manage to drive that tank all the way up here? (to April's apartment)
Rocksteady and Bebop: We took the stairs!

(later)

April (comes home to find it...full of holes): When I get my hands on those turtles...speaking of, where are they? Guys?
Turtles: Down here, April!
Foreign lady downstairs: Eat up, boys, you look green!

Come on, that's funny! =p

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Sadly, don't think I ever watched the episodes with Mona Lisa or Lotus Blossom, though I've read about them. I heard fans romantically attach them to Raph and Leo respectively. laugh.gif


Well, to be fair, the girls were set up that way by the folks who made them, except Lotus was kind of the Catwoman to Leo's Batman.

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I'd love to see your fic about her, though! I think it's possible to use the old toon for darker fics--it's got those "unsaid hints" that get covered up in the jokes and whatnot.

Any of you watched The Next Mutation series? They've got a female turtle there~ Never watched it myself, but apparently, the female turtle is one of Those Things you can't even joke about with Laird. *snickers*


Thanks for the confidence, and THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COLLECTING THE EPISODES! I'll try and work my way through them to see what kind of setting and when I want to set it. Mona was originally on a revenge mission, so angsting her up believably shouldn't be a problem.

Ahh, Next Mutation--America's answer to the equally short-lived Japanese Anime of the Ninja Turtles. Haaaahahaha--yeah, it was quite bad. They were even choosing to break up the idea of the guys being biological brothers so they could create a triangle between Leo, Venus and Raph. X__x I can suddenly understand why Laird won't speak of her.
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Trust me, even as a little kid, I appreciated all the fourth wall breaking jokes by Raph. It was fun, it was cute, and they even poked fun at their own denial of physics


Yeah, it was fun. Harmless kiddie thing. XD

My favorite is Don getting a diploma, but he couldn't get it as a)he's a turtle and B) the school thought he was a girl. So he got one of April's friends, whatshername, to get it for him.

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Sadly, don't think I ever watched the episodes with Mona Lisa or Lotus Blossom, though I've read about them. I heard fans romantically attach them to Raph and Leo respectively


*bites metal*

I remember buying this Archie comic in which Raph and Ninjara had a date. I was scarred for life, and never bought an issue ever again.

Though I'll still read the fic, Inuyatta. So make sure you post the link.

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As I recall, Leo being kicked out of the Tribunal didn't really happen, it was a dream sequence of some sort.


That's the episode in Fast Forward. ^^; Not the Leo prequel.

Never saw the Next Mutation, so... I guess it's that bad, huh?

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w00t, the guys talk in their game?! Awesome! Anything to hear more of the guys (especially loved that snippet of Don and Mikey XD). I'm glad they got the movie VAs to do the voices for the video game too.


Yeah, their bantherings are pure gold. XD

I love youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuDbTPBdMno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGxCbahAGlY (when I first saw this, I got the same expression as Raph... HUH?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9G6gyaopcc

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don'tyoujudgeme!!!

You're among friends. XD
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LOL I have that episode Anti-R...the one where Erma has to get the diploma for Donny. Good thing he followed her though, she'd have been in so much trouble...but wait! When AREN'T Erma or April in trouble? XD

WHOOOHOOO! I found my brother's Michaelangelo doll!!! I have a Mikey plushie now!! *squee* *cuddles it* I notice it's much cleaner than my Leo...which means it was loved a lot less...
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LOL I have that episode Anti-R...the one where Erma has to get the diploma for Donny. Good thing he followed her though, she'd have been in so much trouble...but wait! When AREN'T Erma or April in trouble? XD


Sigh. Yeah.

Y'know, if the drinking game was popular in the late 80's, I would have drown on every episode April gets her foot sprained at a very young age.

Anyways. at least April gets a step up (her knowing martial arts). Other comic book female characters aren't so lucky (Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson, though I really like the latter).

*Am jealous Amathala even has plushies*
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Inuyatta
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Gah, my catching up on the new toon is gonna have to wait--my computer keeps shutting off whenever it gets too hot--I think the power supply is about to go kaput, so I'm waiting for a replacement to come in next week. That shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?

;_;

I used to have a Donatello action figure as a kid. I identified with Raph's rage, but I always secretly admired the smartest turtle. It was strange and fitting in a way--the other kids wouldn't understand me because my vocabulary and reading level was so advanced--but the anger, yes, they understood that real quick. =p

This Mona Lisa revamp project is doing pretty good in planning stages. I even got some ok sketches of her so far, but nothing I'm confident scanning in yet. Once I get that new power supply, I scan in all the Avatar/KH2 sketches I've been doing...and maybe I'll even color them! XD Thanks for the support, it really helps to motivate the creativity!

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Anyways. at least April gets a step up (her knowing martial arts). Other comic book female characters aren't so lucky (Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson, though I really like the latter).

*Am jealous Amathala even has plushies*


I actually found that a little jarring for her to be a martial arts expert in the two years since the last movie (was it supposed to be about 2 years?)--I mean, come on, it took the guys 15 years to master their skill. I couldn't help but figure it was Buffy pretending to be April. XD
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Anti-R
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Yeah, I disapprove of April jumping in and fighting KARAI (seriously, what were they thinking?). But what can I do? Of course the movie has to make the only female protagonist "kick ass".
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Yep, this is gonna make adhering to 'canon' very difficult. XD I've never even seen the comics.

Anyone able to give me a point by point rundown of what big events happened in order?
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You mean the overall thing? 0.o;;

Lynn-chan~!

Seriously though, it seems that the New Toon is closer to the comics canon than the old one (except for Fast Forward). Then again, comic canon has Splinter dead, which never happened so far in the animated department.
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Inuyatta
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Well, lemme put it to you this way: Did Leo get the shit kicked outta him before or after the first defeat of Shredder? Are the first and fourth movies more in tune with canon?

They killed off Splinter? Jeez, as if Donny wasn't enough!

Gah, the canon gets messed with so much, it's hard for me to figure out what's what. I think a basic point by point timeline or summarization will do, if anyone has the time and it's not too much trouble. X_X

Also, Anti--how bad was the Raph/Ninjara date? I'm curious, as I've never seen any turtle comics.
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Leo:Wow, April, you learned this stuff pretty fast, how'd you do it?

April:Unto each generation there is born a chosen one. She alone will fight the va...I mean, Foot, the de...I mean, mutants, and the forces of darkness. She is the Sl...I mean, ninja trainee.
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Anti-R
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^Lol.

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Also, Anti--how bad was the Raph/Ninjara date? I'm curious, as I've never seen any turtle comics.


I honestly don't remember the story now, actually. I lost that comic ages ago.

I can only remember that I was quite upset and horrified (nothing that gross, though, as it is in the Archie comics).

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Gah, the canon gets messed with so much, it's hard for me to figure out what's what. I think a basic point by point timeline or summarization will do, if anyone has the time and it's not too much trouble. X_X


Yeah...

I think you should pick the one series you DO like (a dark version of the old toon?), and stick with it's canon.
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Yikes...and I thought Zuko's date with Jin was a bit like a Sue-fic without being overly blech.

That's probably really good advice, Anti. As it is, I might go with the movies or the first part of the new toon before they jumped shark.
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Jin was a little too forward. Surprisingly so.

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That's probably really good advice, Anti. As it is, I might go with the movies or the first part of the new toon before they jumped shark.


I was hoping you'd put in the Technodrome and Dimension X. XD
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