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Turtle Power!; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 12:25 PM (2,284 Views)
Anti-R
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Gaaaawd, alex, WHY DID YOU BRING UP THAT HORROR OF THE 80'S THEME SONG?! AAAUUUGHH! That's like bringing up Vanilla Ice's concert!!!

Now it's playing in head!!! Make it stop!!! X(

*and shoots a stick at Lynn for the terrible mental image*

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Course, evil writers did it on purpose--if it had been another turtle transformed, I have a feeling they felt Donny would've found a cure. Thus, no need for infiltrating Foot HQ, thus no crystal-stealing, thus no preparation for the next story arc.


Well, there's the mind rape, and Donnie went to a future where everyone died.

If that wasn't character torture I dunno what that word is anymore.

*shakes fist at 2003 toon*

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TMNT the movie is hard to compare to the cartoon--I think they did the best they could in 80 minutes, compared to a 4-season cartoon. One thing's for sure, though: TMNT has my favourite version of the turtles. I love how lithe and sleek they all look, like teh realz ninjas!


I like Thin!Turtles the most as well. It makes them move quicker and attack smoothly and more ninjalike too.

They actually look like teenagers.

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Not that Mikey is unlikeable in the movie, of course. I found him so sweet! Catch how he's trying to get Splinter to eat the birthday cake slices (when April calls the turtles about Raph)! And of course, he utters one of my favourite lines: "I have nightmares about birthday parties..."


Oh those aluminum covered... desert are cakes? XD From his b-day gigs, right?

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Because Raph's a teddy bear wrapped in spikes. laugh.gif


Yeash, he's like Barret... only hotter. 0.o;

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Okay, that just reminded me of when Hercules slung Cloud over his shoulder. XD


Ah, the harassment.
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Lynn
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Oh those aluminum covered... desert are cakes? XD From his b-day gigs, right?

Yep! Was it mentioned in the novelisation? I can't remember. The director did state somewhere that the cakes came as a "gift" for Mikey from his Cowabunga Carl gig. I imagine there are two possibilities:

1. Mikey's so damn good at what he does, he gets plenty of cake as reward!

2. Mikey's so damn sick of what he does, he hasn't touched those cake slices until Leo returned!

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*and shoots a stick at Lynn for the terrible mental image*

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Well, there's the mind rape, and Donnie went to a future where everyone died.

If that wasn't character torture I dunno what that word is anymore.

*shakes fist at 2003 toon*

Ohhhh, THAT TOO. Wow, poor Donny. They spaced out his torture but man, they definitely mind-raped him. *thinks hard* There's gotta be some ep somewhere that's good to Donny... Mikey got to join a flipping superhero group, for crying out loud, what about the turtle genius?

No April.

Mind-rape.

Deals with the most disgusting 2k3 villain, Garbageman, TWICE. *shudder*

...

(*cough* Speaking of Mikey and that future ep., who woulda think he'd have such a gravelly voice! :wub: )

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Did I mention I brought pics? :D
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Did I mention I brought pics? biggrin.gif

HEY! Don't change the subject!

And I rest my case. Poor Don. >.< Emo!Mikey is something I try to swallow when I first saw it.

YAY on the Leo Jedi thing though. XD
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Speaking of Vanilla Ice...

"Ninja, Ninja rap, Ninja, Ninja rap, ninja, ninja rap go go go go go ninja go ninja go! Go ninja go ninja go! Go ninja go! Go go go go!"

*tortures you all evilly* ;)

Also. I am not entirely convinced Raph won fair and square. I kinda think Leo let him win. So that when Raph won, he'd see just how messed up he was. Putting your weapons to your brother's throat...really, now. If that's what it took to give him a clue, then so be it.
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:fear: *shakes fist at Alex* Next you'll be bringing the video of that, won't you?

[size0]Go go ninja, go ninja, go go go~

Hee, that's something I considered too, but thought it was Leo Bias influencing me. :lol: Apparently, the novelisation said Leo was "shocked" Raph beat him, but I've heard some readers speculate the novel is from an earlier draft of the movie.

I think Leo went into the battle wanting to win, but maybe... changed his mind halfway? He got quite a number of shots focusing on his expression (more than Raph, anyway, who was clearly pissed-off from the beginning and only got angrier through the fight), which makes me wonder if the gears were turning in that head of his.

I've seen people say he looked really angry, but to me, Leo looked madder in the middle of the fight than when they locked weapons.

Well, that, and he schooled Raph with a bloody-freaking-uppercut when he fought the Nightwatcher as an enemy. :whistle2:
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*shakes fist at Alex* Next you'll be bringing the video of that, won't you?


Lol it's on youtube. I won't link but ya, you'll find it there. I've also got the entire second movie on my harddrive. Ninja rap makes me sad :( Ninja Turtles should NOT breakdance. Nor should they wear pretty dresses Though Turtles of Heart is highly entertaining :P

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like the 2003 cartoon better than the 80s toon, which I always treated as just some good fun, not much more. 2003 toon put a lot of emphasis on Leo and Don, who I felt were the two more shafted turtles, and especially broke Leo outta his goody-goody/perfect-boring-leader stereotype that turtle fans have of him. It goes closer to his original comic identity, who has issues about his confidence, ability to lead, perfectionism etc. (Leo even goes through an extra-angsty phase in Season 4-- even RAPH called him a hothead then!). He's still the leader but with more noticeable flaws than 80s!Leo.


Wow, this makes me wish I had watched more episodes in the recent cartoon. It's good to give Leo and Don (especially Don because I don't think he's been given much development in any of the incarnations - except the second movie) some screen time and some good characterization. I had no idea that Leo was supposed to be the one attacked though instead of Raph. In the movie, without knowing this, it made sense...I guess it logically flowed in the movie: to me it came as a result of Raph's hot headedness, fighting with Leo again. Yeah I think it worked, although it does feel like they focused on Raph a lot in the first movie too. Though in the second movie it felt more like though Raph was up front moving the action along, Don was given more in terms of development. At least we got some of insight into his feelings about being a giant mutated turtle. That was really sad...

Basically for those who don't remember Don was depressed over finding out just how they became the TMNT in general. He thought that there was something more to it...and then it turned out they just happened to step into a pile of goo. Thus began his (sadly short lived) identity crisis. Short lived yes, but still really cool to see. I can just imagine TMNT 2007 Don being all emo because of it. Wouldn't it be cool if they redid the first three movies with CG? Not that they'd ever do it but damn that would be so awesome. Maybe for the ten year anniversary? *Shrugs*

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It's a toss-up between Donny's tech-help line and Raph's, while he's listening to Leo nag as the Nightwatcher:

"Is he kiddin'... He's lecturing me!"

*diesdiesdies* Oh, Leo, you just launched into auto-nag right there, didn't you? XDDD


I love that part of his personality lol he's such a hen.

And Angelalex YOU ARE SO RIGHT! WTF IS WRONG WITH THE NINJA RAP SAYING RAPH IS THE LEADER OF THE GROUP! I have the song actually and every time I listen to it, it pisses the crap out of me. GET IT RIGHT.

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Because Raph's a teddy bear wrapped in spikes. laugh.gif 



Yeash, he's like Barret... only hotter. 0.o;


LOL Barret gets no fangirls I guess :(

Oh and Anti-R, did Donny really travel into the future? What else did he see? Was April dead? What about the other turtles (although cool for Mikey being apart of some cool Justice League type super hero group :P)

I don't know how I feel about the whole sci-fi elements of TMNT. I know Laird loves sci-fi hence why it's appropriate but...ya I definitely do want to see more of the cool, down to EARTH ninja action. It's just cooler. Actually I heard Munroe was debating whether the 2007 movie should be about the turtles in space. Thank GOD they didn't go that route. That would have been cheddar :mad:

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I think Leo went into the battle wanting to win, but maybe... changed his mind halfway? He got quite a number of shots focusing on his expression (more than Raph, anyway, who was clearly pissed-off from the beginning and only got angrier through the fight), which makes me wonder if the gears were turning in that head of his.


I always thought it was a bit funny. Leo did go to South American training his ninjutsu for over a year, while Raph just turned into a vigilante, probably letting his more complicated ninja skills slip a little bit. And yet Raph beat Leo. I don't think it's a matter of Leo letting Raph win - at least not intentionally. I think from the beginning Leo just didn't have his heart in the fight. After all he's fighting his brother. He might be angry and disappointed in Raph but not enough to try to kill him or almost kill him.Contrast that with Raph, who probably let his feelings fly so out of control that he just wanted to hurt Leo. Its blinding rage that caused him to almost shove that sai in Leo's head. Just like Leo said..."Let [your anger] control you, and eventually you lose sight of everything." Lo and behold.


Oh and I totally want to know what this novelization is that people keep talking about. Is it available on the interwebz or do I have to actually shill out money for it?

PS- The 80's Cartoon was fun, totally close to my heart as a kid, but I can never forgive them for what they did to Raph's character. Not that I'm too much of a Raph fangirl, but I'm protective of my Turtles' personalities. I know they changed a few of the personalities but what they did to Raph was just crazy. They turned him from an emo New Yorker in dire need of anger management to a fluffy wise cracking funny man. ARE KIDS THAT FRAGILE THAT THEY CAN'T TAKE AN ANGRY TURTLE? Even giving him a simple bad attitude would have been better than that. Thank goodness they didn't skimp in the movies.
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Oh and Anti-R, did Donny really travel into the future? What else did he see? Was April dead? What about the other turtles (although cool for Mikey being apart of some cool Justice League type super hero group tongue.gif)


It's entitled Same As It Ever Was... apparently a very popular episode in the fandom.

Don went to a future where he disappeared. The Shredder took over the world, and the family literally went to pieces. Splinter died, Casey died, and April was leader of a resistance group.

Anyways, he convinced his other future brothers, who had given up the fight and living separately, to give another last assault. They did, and Don managed to trick the Shredder into getting dragged and killed by a giant drill (the one used to destroy the lair). The other three Turtles were unfortunately killed, though.

When Don was looking around in shock, he disappeared (apparently back to his original timeline) with April thanking him.

True to cartoons, the story continued on without any ramifications on Donnie's psyche afterwards that experience. Or maybe it did, he just wasn't telling.

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I think Leo went into the battle wanting to win, but maybe... changed his mind halfway? He got quite a number of shots focusing on his expression (more than Raph, anyway, who was clearly pissed-off from the beginning and only got angrier through the fight), which makes me wonder if the gears were turning in that head of his.


Leo looked down when their weapons locked, as though noticing that his swords are making a cracking sound... it shows that he still has a sense of control, despite the fact he was angry at Raph.

It's more like Raph breaking Leo's swords, and Leo was so shocked he lost his weapons like that he didn't react when Raph shoved him to the ground.

Fun Fact! Raphael's voiced by Nolan North, who voiced Vossler Azelas in XII, so JAT isn't the only guy who got a FF role.
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Also, at one point during the fight, Leo's sword was actually at Raph's throat. In theory, Leo should've had him right there. But Leo refused to actually hurt Raph. Splinter knows who his best student is. There's a reason for that. Refusing to hurt your brother isn't really weakness, is it? It's strength. I don't think Don or Mikey could bring themselves to fight full force against Raph either. But...I bet if Raph got angry enough, he might well fight full force against them.

Raph was angry enough to break Leo's weapons, and damn near damaged Leo himself. Breaking a sword like that...I've read in the duello codes...ya know how people used to get in duels a couple centuries ago? Mostly over matters of honor? Well, if you chose not to kill your opponent, you had the right to break his sword. Sort of an 'emasculating' gesture. The fact Raph went so far as to actually break his brother's means of protecting himself shows how far gone he was. That's why, when Raph finally realizes just what the hell he was doing...he runs away. In shame. That isn't the reaction of a victor. That's the reaction of somebody who lost in more ways then one.
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Your assessments on the Raph vs Leo fight are really interesting! It's really a great topic of discussion. If only Don and Mikey had similar deep scenes. Bah well.

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Raph was angry enough to break Leo's weapons, and damn near damaged Leo himself. Breaking a sword like that...I've read in the duello codes...ya know how people used to get in duels a couple centuries ago? Mostly over matters of honor? Well, if you chose not to kill your opponent, you had the right to break his sword. Sort of an 'emasculating' gesture. The fact Raph went so far as to actually break his brother's means of protecting himself shows how far gone he was. That's why, when Raph finally realizes just what the hell he was doing...he runs away. In shame. That isn't the reaction of a victor. That's the reaction of somebody who lost in more ways then one.


It's possible that Nolan was thinking this, but an easier explanation might also suffice - Raph's weapon, the sai, is used naturally as sword breakers. That's why they are shaped the way they are (form fits function after all). So for Raph, if he truly wants to beat Leo he has to play his strengths. It's natural that he'd used his two sai to break Leo's sword as its the quickest, most sure fire way to win - and I'm sure at that point in time Raph was so frustrated and enraged that all he wanted to do was finally beat Leo (both metaphically and physically).

But I love the idea of him trying to symbolically emasculate his brother on top of that. If you consider that in those days emasculating someone truly means taking away his authority and power, it would truly fit in that situation.

Edit: Just for fun:

The Infamous Movie 2 Club Scene ...with Vanilla Ice

9.95 by Spunkadelic -
TMNT (1990) The Pop Ending Theme

Turtle Power by Partners in Kryme - The Rap Ending Theme

"Evil moves fast but good moves faster than light."

Geez I miss the early 90's. Gone are the days when such a cheesey line could ever be considered cool.
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More then symbolically.

When the monsters show up after Raph leaves, Leo's up a creek. Hence his capture. I don't think he'd have been captured so easily had Raph not broken his swords.
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That and the tranquilizers.

Man, nyrin, you are evil.
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Hmmm.

In light of everything, I don't think Raph won at all.

He breaks the swords...in theory, he's won. But his eyes widen, and he realizes he's screwed up badly. He runs away. Then, he hears Leo cry out, goes running back. Tries to catch up, fails, and then go tells Splinter he's a screwup and an idiot. He doesn't sit there and tell Splinter the glorious way he kicked Leo's ass. And he also tells Splinter he understands why he chose Leonardo. And that's when he also calls Leo a better son. Splinter has to explain the difference between son and student. Mikey happened to be eavesdropping at the time, though. But Mikey doesn't comment on it.
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I found out that supposedly Mikey founds out that Raph was the Nighwatcher in that scene, who was his superhero (in the prequel comic, he, uh, "emulated" the vigilante thing with his Cowabunga Carl outfit). So he was disappointed by both his big brother and his hero when he found out what happened to Leo (whoa, that rhymed).

Man, they should have added that in the film >.<! That's a great character arc for Mikey.
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I found out that supposedly Mikey founds out that Raph was the Nighwatcher in that scene, who was his superhero (in the prequel comic, he, uh, "emulated" the vigilante thing with his Cowabunga Carl outfit). So he was disappointed by both his big brother and his hero when he found out what happened to Leo (whoa, that rhymed).


That's actually a cool way of looking at it! I remember how excited he was seeing Nightwatcher in the news but it never occured to me that he could have seen him as a hero (awww). Also, when Leo makes that hilarious mistake in calling him the Nightwatchman, wasn't it both Raph AND Mikey who corrected him with that 'gawd I'm so embarassed' tone of voice? Or was Don in there too? Regardless I love that idea.

WHAT are these extra things like the pre-comics and novelizations that everyone's talking about? Is there any way to d/l them or can you only buy them (since I'm low on cash I'd rather the former option). how come nobody ever answers me when i ask about this stuff *I think this is the third time* :( Ah well.
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Alex, I definitely like your idea about the breaking-swords bit. I dunno if it leaks into the movie canon, but in other versions, Leo holds the Bushido code very closely to heart, including having whole emotional attachment to his weapons. So Raph being willing to break his swords would've been a shock to him on one hand, but then again, I can't believe Leo doesn't know that sais are meant to break swords.

Gah! So much to talk about, now of all times! *shakes fist at exams* I'll be back with more later.

Ooh, so Mikey was meant to find out about Nightwatcher in that scene! Now it makes so much sense why he's there! Did the novelisation say anything about his reaction to what happened between Raph and Leo?

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how come nobody ever answers me when i ask about this stuff *I think this is the third time* :(

Sorry hon, we must've accidentally missed it. :hug: A short novelisation for the movie was being sold about a month before the movie was released. It's only about 120 pages, I think, supposedly written more for kids than older TMNT fans. I didn't buy it because I was afraid of spoiling myself. XD But the novelisation has quite a number of scenes that didn't make it into the movie, and vice versa.

The prequel comics are five character-centric comics that take place before the movie starts. It starts with Raphael's comic, then Mikey, Don, April and finally Leo--leading right into the movie. It's supposed to explain stuff like where Raph's Nightwatcher outfit comes from, bits of Leo's training (he went to Japan and Italy, I think, before going to Central America--global training indeed! :o) etc. I haven't gotten them yet, though I figure you can find them in your usual comic shops. It seems that when the DVD comes out in June or July, it will be bundled with all 5 comics and a "movie adaptation", which I figure to be a comics version of the movie itself.

I dunno where to get them online, haven't had a chance to search really. :/ But I wouldn't be surprised if entire scans have appeared online by now, the comics were being slowly released before the movie.
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