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Pope Called Muslims Evil.; Things that happen with bad speechs.
Topic Started: Sep 21 2006, 04:45 AM (838 Views)
Clerith-son
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...318-663,00.html

So, What do some of the Christians and Muslims in here think about that? Feel free to talk if you're not one of them, as well.

Being a former Christian, I think it was kind of extreme from him to criticize their religious basis and their prophet. Fundamentalists exist in every religion, not only in Islam, so that was a pretty much biased statement.

Even if he already apologized for it, I think that might lead into more religious problems in the future.
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Loveholic
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I think a nun was killed because of this. :(
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Sadhana
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It just wasn't the best idea to say what he did. But you know what? I don't think that some of the Muslims should be getting this worked up over it either. If someone said that my beliefs are evil (which they have), I would just brush it off. Their loss. If they don't want to understand my beliefs, and just remain ignorant to them, why should I care?
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Kusari Yarou
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Oh dear. Religious debates. I am a Christian, by the way.
I just read a news article about this and he did not out and out call the Muslims evil. He was quoting a Byzantine Emperor.

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I don't think that some of the Muslims should be getting this worked up over it either.

It's not worth starting a war over, though I'm afraid some terrorists might see it as an opportunity.
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goddess_in_pink07
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Gee, this doesn't surprise me. <_< I agree with Sadhana, they should just brush it off... but..... no offense to any Islamic believers, but the Muslims tend to be pretty violent.... :unsure: So, it wasn't too swell of pope to say that..... but..... I guess peace between Muslims and Christians won't work. :(
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Sadhana
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the Muslims tend to be pretty violent


Uhh, I don't know if the Muslims tend to be particularly violent. Every Muslim I know isn't anymore violent than anyone else out there. But it's the violent acts they carry out that get put on Fox News. I could just as easily say that Christians tend to be much more violent (*cough* blowing-up-abortion-clinics *cough* the crusades *cough*). Americans could so quickly be called extremely violent (*cough* secret-torture-chambers *cough*). But I don't think it's right to generalize like that, or for the Pope to say "Muslims are teh evil." But you know what? He's entitled to his opinion, and he's entitled to quote whatever Byzantine emperors he'd like to quote. I just think it's an overreaction. They really shouldn't care what the religious leader of some other religion has to say about them.
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goddess_in_pink07
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Sep 21 2006, 08:24 PM
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the Muslims tend to be pretty violent


Uhh, I don't know if the Muslims tend to be particularly violent. Every Muslim I know isn't anymore violent than anyone else out there. But it's the violent acts they carry out that get put on Fox News. I could just as easily say that Christians tend to be much more violent (*cough* blowing-up-abortion-clinics *cough* the crusades *cough*). Americans could so quickly be called extremely violent (*cough* secret-torture-chambers *cough*). But I don't think it's right to generalize like that, or for the Pope to say "Muslims are teh evil." But you know what? He's entitled to his opinion, and he's entitled to quote whatever Byzantine emperors he'd like to quote. I just think it's an overreaction. They really shouldn't care what the religious leader of some other religion has to say about them.

LOL, ok, ok, ok, you win. :D I'm sorry, but...... some of the rules of the Koran...are kinda scary. :unsure: I mean, I've read alot alot of the rules, and their very much like of the Bible, but..... who am I to say anything against them.
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yin-chan
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no offense to any Islamic believers, but the Muslims tend to be pretty violent....  So, it wasn't too swell of pope to say that..... but..... I guess peace between Muslims and Christians won't work.


I've lived and grown up all my life in a Muslim country, and I'm a Christian. My best friends are Muslims, my teachers are Muslims, and some of the most amazing people I've met in my life are Muslims. Peace between races can exist, if only people try. Malaysia is a multi-cultural country (which is why I'm using it as a good example :P) and you can find people of all different races mixing together in harmony. Everytime I return to the country, it's still a kind of sight that awes me. People think it's not possible to treat each other 101% as pure human beings regardless of race and religion, but it is possible. It's possible because I've seen it with my own two eyes.
I never found Muslims to be any more violent than any other race. Most of them just want to live a normal, peaceful life, like any other human being. The terrorists may be Muslim, but it doesn't mean that every single Muslim out there has "omghiddenterroristurges". It's the kind of stereotype that unfortunately is very rampant nowadays. You wonder sometimes how it would be if those 9/11 terrorists were American and not Muslim.

Just as we might say "the rules of the Koran is scary", to them it's a belief, and it's a familiar thing. They just as well might say "the rules of the bible is scary." or "the rules of buddhism is scary", because it's unfamiliar to them. If we were Muslim, we might say that too, don't you think?
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Anti-R
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Actually I'm more worried about Thailand than this.
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Sefie
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Mmm, well I'm christian, but I'm not Catholic so he doesn't represent me!

Anyways, leaders of world wide churches need to watch what they say carefully O.o I'm glad he was just quoting, and HOPE he doesn't really believe that, but if that's the case he should've been more careful.

And I'm with Yin. I've moved to California which is like...the entire world in one state O.o Every Muslim I've met has always been SO nice, very quiet and peaceful. I wonder if those who are using Muslim as an excuse to be violent really know much about their own religion/culture, or if they're just using it as a cover. I really hate it when people use religion as a reason to be cruel.
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goddess_in_pink07
Sep 21 2006, 09:21 PM
LOL, ok, ok, ok, you win. :D

GIP, if you feel I'm being a bit over-preachy here, feel free to ignore me.

But I think it's important you don't brush this aside. Your earlier impression that Muslims are violent is a serious misunderstanding of Muslims, one constantly propagated by the mass media insisting on labelling terrorists as "Islamic terrorists" (as if terrorists are a breed unique to that religion!).

It also shows just how ineffective the current campaigns are to create awareness among non-Muslims that Islam is actually a peaceful religion, Muslims are peaceful people and figures like Osama bin Laden are exceptions rather than the norm (an exception that happens in just about every faith).

I come from the same country as yin-chan, and we've both grown up surrounded by a plethora of religions, Islam being the official religion. While tensions have, and will probably always, exist in Malaysia because of this huge melting pot of different faiths, at the same time, no one faith is more violent than the other.

Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and a host of less mainstream religious worshippers living with each other IS possible. Malaysia still standing and not being a potato-shaped hole in the sea floor is testimony to that.

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I'm sorry, but...... some of the rules of the Koran...are kinda scary. :unsure: I mean, I've read alot alot of the rules, and their very much like of the Bible

Yeah, there are tons of similarities between the two religions. Many of the harsher punishments were the norm centuries ago and should not, IMHO, be used to judge the religion now.

Sadhana
 
I don't think that some of the Muslims should be getting this worked up over it either.

I agree. Although I can see why they might resort to such demonstrations-- with the fiasco of the Prophet Muhammad's caricature probably still lingering in most of their minds (I don't recall if there was any closure to that problem, or if it simply faded into the background), and the demonising of their religion thanks to terrorism, and all the damn wars taking place in the Mid East; many might feel as if their voices wouldn't be heard unless they struck out in clearly visible ways.

But Muslims aren't doing their own religion any favours by reacting so drastically to this.

Then again, tensions are so high, all it takes are a couple of well-placed nudges by a couple of troublemakers to get the masses moving.

Clerith-son
 
So, What do some of the Christians and Muslims in here think about that? Feel free to talk if you're not one of them, as well.

Much like my feeling about that idiotic caricature, I feel this was badly timed. That's it. Although I believe the caricature was made to purposefully create an uproar and sell papers/stories/etc., I won't speculate why the Pope chose to quote someone who was pretty much calling Islam evil.

But I do wonder if any of his office/advisors/what-have-you have any sense of good timing. -_-
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I don't believe the Pope is at fault for calling Muslims evil. I think he is at fault for a terrible lack of thought in his speech.

The aforementioned comment has been grossly misunderstood by the media (I would argue misrepresented and well understood, but it's not important). His comment was from a reading in a certain section of the Bible, and it wasn't so blatant as "Muslims are evil". The man should not be castrated or represented as an intolerable person. He simply lost all sense of forethought in putting that in his speech. I'm sure there would have been other, less contentious, ways for delivering the same message.
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Kusari Yarou
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He's doing everything to patch things up:Pope Meets With Muslim Diplomats
I hope and pray that things work out fine.

BTW, whatever did happen to the whole cartoon fiasco?
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Athena/Fuijin
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The whole speech thing was stupid,but I'm not gonna take any sides. He was quoting something that was like 100 years,the world is not like that. I dunno why people get so upset about it.
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Sadhana
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Sep 25 2006, 12:49 PM
The whole speech thing was stupid,but I'm not gonna take any sides. He was quoting something that was like 100 years,the world is not like that. I dunno why people get so upset about it.

If it's from a Byzantine emperor, I think it's more likely to be about 1,000 years old.

I don't know what became of that cartoon. It probably blew over eventually as these things tend to do. I assume the same will happen with this case of the Muslims don't accept the Pope's attempts to reconcile things. In due time, this'll all be forgotten I expect.
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