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5 Year Anniversary; September 11
Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 11:57 PM (628 Views)
Sadhana
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This monday is the five year anniversary of September 11. I know that this event was years ago now, many worse things have happened in the world, and it's sometimes best to let go of the painful memories. Maybe that's what I need to do... just let go. But sometimes, I think the best way to endure something is to do it with friends. And while I've certainly gotten past September 11, a recent visit to the WTC site for the first time since that day in 2001 and the fact that the anniversary is Monday... Well, the memories have been flooding back most recently. It's still pretty hard to think of it, and I still cry (although not nearly as much as I used to). I feel pretty pathetic because I know about the genocide in Sudan going on RIGHT now, the 100,000 Iraqis who have been killed by this war, this summer's explosion in the Middle East... I know about these things, and yet September 11 is still what breaks me the most. It's selfishness, maybe. Maybe a lack of empathy. But either way, I can't forget the day that everything changed in my life. For me, it's the day that I went from being a child to being more of an adult.

Anyway, this topic is just for people, like myself, who might happen to also have some feelings about September 11th that they just want to get out there.
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goddess_in_pink07
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Well, I was only 10 when it happened, and I had no clue what was going on. My teacher just turned on the TV, and I was like "uhhh." I didn't realize what had happened.

It tis be a very sad tragedy. I mean, its hard to know that that day people just carried on life as usually. And, its heartbreaking to know all the innocent people that died. Its just no fair. :(
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i pRomiSe**
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...My brother's leaving to go back the day after the anniversary. I just realized that.

I was in 2nd grade when I first heard about it. I was like 'Duh?' because I had no clue what was going on. Then later on, I was like OOHH and found out. I was really sad. I saw a special thing on the news where it showed the kids who were born after their father's died in the tragedy. I was about to burst out crying because they looked like them and they didn't have a their real father growing up. =/

9/11 still makes me cry to this day and I'll be with the Marines (ooh-rah! :P) on that day, since I'm going to go see my brother. Yeah. =/;
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Sadhana
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Okay, I thought that my first post was all I had to say. But I just saw a movie about 9/11, and I realized that I have a lot on my mind about this. This will probably be a long post. I'm sorry in advance, I just really need to say all of this.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2001, I was in the 7th grade. I was attending a small private school founded and owned by my parents. My father was the fourth grade teacher at the school and the principal. My mother was the Spanish teacher. It started off as just a Kindergarten and 1st grade when it opened in the early 80s, but as time went on and more students enrolled, it eventually expanded to be a full elementary school (grades K to 6). After a long time of it just being an elementary school, my parents decided that they wanted to add on a middle school. But it was too hard to do in one step, so they just started by adding a 7th grade which shared a classroom with the 6th grade. This worked because the school was so small with only about 20 kids per grade. My 7th grade that year was only the third year we had a 7th grade there. So the entire 7th grade class was only three people including myself. Yes, this all has a point, I promise. In case you're interested, an 8th grade was just added this year, and now 7th and 8th grade are in their own separate building as a middle school.

That morning, the 6th graders had science while the three of us in 7th grade were scheduled for Spanish. We went down to the Spanish room like we were supposed to. The Spanish teacher, my mom was there waiting for us. We all lived in Nassau County in Long Island. In case you're not all too familiar with the geography of downstate New York, this is about 20 minutes from NYC (which we all just call "the city"). I can't count how many times I've been there. It's just something my friends and I had done and still do on the weekends, take the LIRR west into Manhattan. Go shopping in the fashion district, explore the village and Chinatown. I'm actually going next weekend to visit NYU for an open house thing, but that's besides the point. What I'm trying to say is, I had stood at the bottom (and on top) of the WTC more times than I can remember. To get anywhere in the country from Long Island by car, you have to cross the Verrazano Bridge from Brooklyn to Staten Island, and the Manhattan skyline was always there on the right as we crossed the bridge. Everytime I visited my grandparents in Pennsylvania, or went on a roadtrip with my family, I was guaranteed that I would see the twin towers at least twice. In mid August of 2001, I went to downtown Manhattan in the financial district with my best friend because we were visiting the city that day, and wanted to look up from the bottom of the towers like the kid in Home Alone 2. I didn't know at the time that it would be the last time I would see those towers, and I didn't realize that my sentiments and pain would not allow myself to go back for another five years.

When we got into class, my mom said that she had something to tell us, but we had to swear not to tell the younger kids. On the way over to school that morning, she heard them saying on the radio that a plane had hit one of the twin towers. Maybe I was too young to understand the concepts of war and terrorism, but I thought it was an accident. And I never realized it was a commercial airplance. I thought it was a private airplane some drunk pilot lost control of. It was shocking, nonetheless, but we moved on with our lesson. We moved on with our day.

At around 11:00 AM, the 6th and 7th grade had music class. So we were in our music class, learning a new song, when the principal, my father, walked in. He apologized for interrupting, but he had to tell us something. And he couldn't say it on the loudspeaker for reasons we would soon discover. Two planes had hit both of the twin towers. Another plane had hit the pentagon, and the twin towers had completely collapsed. It was a deliberate act of terrorism against the country. Terrorists had hijacked commercial airplanes, and purposefully flown them into buildings. We couldn't tell the younger kids because the administrators were still desperately trying to find out if all the parents of the students in the school were alive. You see, this was a private school on Long Island. Almost everyone's parents either worked in the WTC or at least NYC. He wasn't even sure if all of our own parents had survived.

None of cried at first. We just sat there in shock, still trying to understand, have some comprehension of what was going on. We were all so young, and we had never lived through a war. We didn't know about foreign policies and the history of the middle east. But we knew the twin towers, and we knew our family members that worked there. So when we went out to recess about 15 minutes later, that's when it finally hit me.

My friends and myself just huddled together, and cried our eyes out. We kept asking ourselves why this had happened, and why anyone would do this. As my dad found out through the day if our parents were okay, he told us. And everyone's parents in the 6th and 7th grade eventually became accounted for... except one. One of our classmates, Brandon, had a father who worked in the WTC as a journalist, and the school hadn't been able to get in touch with him on his cellphone. And his wife hadn't heard anything from him either.

When I got home from school that afternoon, my older brother (who was in high school at the time) and his friends were all in the living room, silently surrounded around the TV. That was the first time I saw the footage of the burning towers, and the constant replays of the towers collapsing. We went to this large hill in our town, and saw the smoke in the west from the top. There were a lot of people there taking pictures and crying. One of my brother's friends who was in the living room with us lost his older brother that day.

That night, my family kept hearing the sounds of fighter planes fly over our house. We only knew they were military planes because all commercial air traffic was grounded. That was probably the scariest part of the day for me because that indicated to me that something else might still be going on.

We all watched Bush give us speech from the Oval Office about attacks on our freedom, the hunt that would soon ensue, and the freedom-hating terrorists who had done this to us. None of us believed a word of it, and I'm glad now that I didn't buy into the post-9/11, Bush-loving crap with the bombing of Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. I remember being kind of shocked by how much of my class suddenly changed their opinions of him overnight. It wasn't until years later that my low opinion of Bush would be shared with the majority of the country, but that's not the most important thing I'm trying to illustrate here.

Five years later, we find ourselves in an unlikely place: a military presence in the civil war of Iraq. Osama Bin Laden has still not been held accountable for the deaths he caused on September 11, so to all those who still might believe the George Bush is not a bad President: where is Osama now? Is finding him still our number one priority? Or has that rather become trying to come up with an escape plan for this irrational war we're involved in?

Bush used September 11 as an excuse to push forward his agenda. The Patriot Act was enstilled to "protect our freedoms," but it is probably the largest step forward in directly attacking the freedoms endowed to us by the United States Constitution. All of this southern border crap with building a wall is again made possible because of 9/11. The illegal wiretapping of American citizens is ignored by many because it's to save us from the terrorists.

This is the point I want to make... I know what it's like to have been hurt by September 11. I know the fear it aroused in all of us. I was scared to death living in a post-9/11 world, only a 20 mile radius away from a city that I love but is the biggest American target for terrorists. I know these things as I've tried to illustrate through what I personally went through on that day five years ago (no, that's sooo not a reference to FFVII :lmao: ). But sometimes, people need to open their eyes. I know I'm not the only one who has witnessed this, but in case you haven't... Bush is exploiting the fear in all of us. How many times has he USED the memory of September 11 to frighten us enough to shut up and let him do as he pleases? He vindicates his ILLEGAL domestic spying because it's the only way to protect innocent American lives. He exploited our fears to rally support for invading Iraq.

I realize that not everyone on this board is American, so that last paragraph probably doesn't apply to you. But if I've done anything, I just want to make some Americans who refuse to see Bush for what he is think about what he's done to this country. So I'll close with a quote which sums up exactly how dear Dubya has gotten away with the crimes he's committed against the American public:

"What good fortune for those in power that people do not think."
--Adolf Hitler
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Kusari Yarou
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Wow.
I've never heard an "inside report" like yours, Sadhana. Now I can imagine what it was like for someone who was used to seeing those twin towers everyday.
I can't put in words how I felt, reading your story. That part about trying to find out whose parents had survived was just heartbreaking.

I'm not American, but I've never approved of Bush either. I think he sees us in the Philippines as America-worshipping pawns he can use in his little games <_<
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I remember that day being extremely strange. I remember we (me and some classmates) were walking out the English class (we were divided in Advanced and Elemental, having us the Advanced ones in a separate class), and once we returned to our normal classroom, we were told something about the towers being taken down, and we didn't understood wich towers they were talking about. Some minutes later, we were told what had happened, and everybody was really surprised, if the US being the most powerful (in military terms) nation in the world got attacked this way, then no one's safe.

We didn't had classes for the rest of that day and we were taken to a big hall to see CNN and the resports about what had happened. I remember staying tuned to CNN for the next 3 or 4 weeks. Watching all the people suffering, via empathy was saddening enough to forget what had happened, but I really doubt I felt half what and American citizen, especially what NY'ers (like you Sadhana) felt.

Days like that, are scars in history that never get totally healed.
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First off I would like to say tank you to Sadhana for putting a topic about September 11th up. I also say thank to her for taking time to recount her story to us, to be so close to what was happening, I can't even begin to imagine.

Also real quick if it is okay with everyone else including Sadhana, do you mind if we don't talk about the Bush Administration today? I would rather focus on our stories of people remembering that day and remember the heroics of the policemen and firemen and other rescue workers and civilians who tried to help each other.

Please do not misunderstand, I completely understand the disgust for this administration and we could have a seperate topic in itself about how the attacks were even able to happen in the first place but I just would like to save it for a different time, even just till tomorrow if that is okay.

For me when reading about what Sadhana being in the courtyard at the bottom of the towers it really brought up my memories as well, not because I live anywhere near New York but because my husband had been at the Two Towers the month before on that day. We had spent one of our days in New York just hanging out there and it had been so much fun. As we were leaving we stood in the courtyard and Eric tried to take a picture from there looking back up at the towers and since he had been taking a lot of random pictures since the beginning of our trip I literaly said to him "What are you doing if you want a picture go get a postcard instead of getting half the building or let's go to a different location someother time, its not like their going anywhere To this day that comment I made haunts me.

I was in College on September 11th. I only heard about the first plane on the way to my second class, one of my professors brought me into their break room where a tv was on and I saw images on the tv. I thought it was a strange and terrible accident, i guess i was to niave to believe it was terrorism and went to my next class. It wasn't til my third class when our professor came in to tell us that both towers had been hit and collapsed and that the pentagon had been hit that I really began to grasp what was going on. One student asked if he could make a phone call because he thought one of the flights that had crashed sounded like the one his mom was on. We were allowed to go back to our dorms and that is when i finally saw the images of both towers collapsing and all I could picture is Eric and I standing in the courtyard looking at theses massive buildings and then watching them fall like they were nothing. That was when I began to cry.

The only positive I think of in this was the way people in New York helped each other. How the firemen ran towrds the two buildings to save the people in it and how the plane that was headed for the capital was overtaken and crashed by everyday people who had heard what had happened to the towers so that the capital wouldn't see similar results. Those people made me feel more pride than I had ever felt to be called an American and reminded me of what the country is suppose to stand for. May we never forget what happened.
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I was only in Fourth grade, but growing up with a father practically in the military, and with a grandfather who had been in Vietnam, I knew what war, and terrorists, were.

Today has been one of my most emotional. I almost cried multiple times, and I just can't belive that its been five years. I can still remember the day like it was yesterday. I was in class, and we were cleaning up for lunch. I guess our teachers had been told not to tell us, because this was a good few hours after it had happened. But my grandparents called in the school and came and got me. I remember finding my Grandma in front of the tv, watching what was happening, and I sat, and watched with her.

And even if I didn't quite understand then, I understand now, and almost wish I could have been sadder then. I guess it doesn't matter though, because I can be sad about it now. I had no one I knew there, but I still feel horrible for all of those children and wives and all the people who lost family.

I also remember that my respect for some singers grew for the past year after that. Mostly Alan Jackson, for his "Where were you when the World stopped turning" song, which I am currently listening to.

I thought you guys might be interested in seeing what I made today, to kind of get this all out of me. Understand, I JUST got Photoshop, so I'm not used to it. But i thought this turned out pretty well.

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Theres nothing wrong with still being upset about this. It was a blow to America that no, pride-filled american will ever forget.

EDIT: I also made this...

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Wow...its been 5 years already? Kind of hard to believe. Thank you for sharing your stories everyone. Some of them made me teary ((don't laugh XD))

I remember that day like it was yesterday...

I was in 6th grade ((10 years old)) sitting in class. It felt just like a normal day. Then my friend Matt's mom came rushing in ((she also worked as the lunch lady)) saying "Trouble in New York!" and ran out. We were all very confused by what just happend. Then we just continued with our math lesson, almost as if she never came in and shouted random things at us XD. Then, our principal's voice came over the PA system. I remember her exact words: "Students, Faculty, something has happend in today in New York. Two planes flew into the World Trade Centers. One also flew into the Pentagon in Washington. This is was not an accident. Teachers if you would, please keep all your students in order until we've contacted their parents. Thank you."

There was silence for about 2 minutes. Everyone just looked around at each other. My teacher told us all to stay in our seats and she left the room. She came back about 5 minutes later. She started crying. Watching her got me to cry. She saw me, and came over to me and hugged me to try and make me feel better. We were the only two crying, everyone else just looked at us. Then a couple other kids started to cry, then that set off a domino effect and pretty soon, EVERYONE was crying. We were a mess.

About a half-hour later, my mom came and picked me up. On the ride home, she tried to explain what just happend as best as she could to a 10 year old. Then she asked me if I knew what a terrorist was. I immediatley thought of those people who vacation a lot ((tourists...that sounds a little like terrorist, right? Yeah...I'm a quick one. XD)) She told me they were people who stilled fear in people through threats, or violent acts to get their point across. I was quiet the rest of the ride home.

When we got home, I ran upstairs to my room and turned on the TV. What I saw will stay with me forever. I saw footage of the twin towers burning. The newscaster said that countless number of Americans died in these attacks. Hearing that, I began to cry. Then she said people began jumping from the towers to "die quicker". I remember her saying "These people have a choice: die faster on the pavement, or a slow death inside." That made me break. I remember holding my knees to my face crying until my entire face was as red as an apple.

It was then that I thought about all those innocent people on the planes, in the WTC's, and the Pentagon. I still think about them today. How would that feel, knowing you were going to die? I couldn't imagine that.

The people on those planes, the towers, and the Pentagon should still be here. 9/11 should've NEVER happend. Those people should still be with their husbands/wives, children, friends, relatives, and just the people that loved them and that they loved. If only we could bring them back, you know? But they're gone. Never coming back. Their lives were violently taken away from them. But they will never be forgotten.

RIP to all the people who lost their lives that day, and my condolences to those who lost friends and family that day as well.
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First off, I'd just like to share this.

I wrote it only minutes before stumbling onto this thread.

Man, I can remember that day too. I was in the 6th grade and I was sitting in history class, I believe (How ironic). We were all sitting there just minding our own busniess, when the principal came onto the intercom and annouced what happened. I remember I gasped really loudly, even though I didn't full understand what had happened. I think I asked a friend and lunch, and I got really nervous because I was wondering if my parents were okay. It was a silly thought, considering I live no where near NYC, but I knew that my dad had been there before, and for some reason it really freaked me out. I was so happy when I came home and saw that everything at my house was okay. My father was in the dining room, watching the news, and I looked over at the tv...

I remember I wasn't so sad, I think it was because I was so young, but I can tell you I got choked up when I went to NYC for the first time two summers ago. I remember it was pouring rain, and my family and I were soaked. Slowly, we approached where the twin towers once stood. All there was was this gaint gaping hole, and this cross standing there as a memorial. I remember just standing there in silence, in the rain, staring at that cross, and reflecting. I think I said a prayer, or something patriotic. I know that even if the day of 9/11 is hazey, I'll always remember standing in front of that memorial in the rain.

I know that all of your stories have made me teary eyed, and just knowing people have to go on without their loved ones is heartbreaking but...

I think everything else I want to share in the link I posted at the beginning of this post.

Lets live for them, guys.
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I still have a clear memory on this day, but my memory is a bit hazy. I was in 4th grade and, my classmates and I were coming back from gym class. Once we got back, the teacher was quiet for a long moment then told us what happen. Everyone was dead silent. At first, I really didn't think that this was real, yet maybe it was real it did happen.

We continued our day at school none of us asked questions, and if we did we got no answer. After school was out my mom told me, everything and I just cried. I went to my room and saw the images. I remember holding myself and crying so hard. I knew this was real. I knew now about death and about this sadness for these families.

Even now, I still am choked up and cry when I see it.

I will never forget this day and nor will anyone else.
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Today is my younger brother's birthday. We were chanting Happy Birthday to him when we were asked to go see CNN by a relative five years ago.

Weird experience, here we are eating cakes and spaghetti while seeing the Twin Towers fall down. It sucks.

I'd like to give condolences to the people who lost their loved ones that day. I consider myself lucky... my aunt who lives in the US works in a place near the Twin Towers... she woke up late that day and was on her way to work when it happened. She could have died, and really, it's such a troubling thing to think about.
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My brother and I saw something on TV about 9/11, and so we got around to discussing the incident. Anyhow, I know I'm really behind on this whole issue, but...I was wondering what you guys thought of Loose Change:

First Part
Second Part

It's so hard to believe, and I'm really not sure how I feel about it, so what are your thoughts?
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aerisbolt
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It is interesting you brought that up HD because a radio DJ in Tampa was talkig about that as I went to work yesterday. He called it a load of bull and said not to beleive it, I hadn't even heard of it till he spoke abou tit yesterday. He is pretty respected in our area but I don't know enough about it to make a comment but I thought I would share what I heard about it on the radio.
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Sadhana
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aerisbolt: I can understand perfectly why you wouldn't want me or others to bring up the Bush administration. September 11 was a multifaceted tragedy, the most immediate and (IMO) important of which is the deaths of all those innocent people. However, I felt it necessary to make any sort of comment on the more ignored tragedy, and that's how Bush used the deaths and memories of these people lost to us as a political tool. I found it disgusting, and was compelled to say something.

Hades' Daughter: I see that conspircay theories are alive and well. I understand you don't necessarily believe what this film says, but I feel the necessity to rant. :P

I watched the links, and found so much of the evidence hardly credible. A tripod mysteriously shaking nine seconds before the tower collapsed? Give me a break. What about all the other tripods out there that didn't shake?

People mysteriously being taken out of the WTC weeks prior to 9/11? NYC is one hell of a populated place, ESPECIALLY in a place like the financial district where the twin towers are. Times Square, the Empire State Building, the Statue of Liberty, Central Park, Broadway, and the WTC. These are the biggest tourist attractions of Manhattan and some of the biggest tourist attractions of the entire planet. As someone who visits the city regularly (although a native Manhattanite is a more credible source, though I'm absolutely positive they'd back me up on this), these tourist attractions can get SOOOOO incredibly crowded. People come from all over the planet to see these things. According to the movie, they believe the "bombs" were planted in what would be the middle of August in the middle of the day. I can't think of a time of year where the WTC could be anymore crowded. Tourism peaks in Summer and around Christmas time (although, the peak in December is much more concentrated uptown towards Rockefeller Center) I'd like to tell the people who made this something: make a time machine, go back to the WTC in the middle of a summer day, and count just how many people would be there. I am sure that of the huge numbers of people there when these bombs were supposedly planted, NO ONE saw these explosives or even anything mysteriously covered up being carried into the twin toers. I'm sorry, but I find it to be virtually impossible for not a single person to have noticed anything.

A missile hitting the Pentagon... a missile hitting the North Tower before the actual plane did... military planes instead of commercial airliners? Why would the government do this? The people who were on the hijacked flights are obviously dead. Their flights were certainly hijacked, there can be no debate about this. What I'd like to know is why would the government bother replacing the original hijacked flights with military planes or even missiles? Why not make it so much easier on themselves, and just crash the originally hijacked flights into the buildings? One of three things happened to the hijacked flights: they crashed into the WTC/Pentagon/middle-of-Pennsylvania (the much more likely explanation); they magically transformed into military jets and missiles (impossible); the government brought them some place secret, killed the passengers, destroyed the planes, and then used different military planes and missiles to actually hit the targets, thereby risking huge numbers of eyewitnesses in NYC, Washington DC, and Pennsylvania to recognize the fact that these aren't commercial airliners and only making things more complicated (completely and utterly pointless). I understand that it doesn't refute the theory, but even if the government was resposible... WHY NOT JUST USE THE HIJACKED FLIGHTS FOR THE CRASHES AND KEEP THINGS SIMPLE?

This also largely relied on some initial eye witness reports for evidence. Eye witness accounts can be so greatly faulted when something as shocking as a fast moving object suddenly and unexpectedly crashing into the WTC occurs. I saw a private video taken from the Jersey side of the Hudson river which catches the second plane hitting the South Tower. In it, the man swears that it was a missile as the video is a bit too distant to make out exactly what hit the tower. However, we know from dozens upon dozens of other videos that it definitely was a plane that hit the South Tower. At the same time, according to the psychological principle of the Overconfidence Phenomenon, it's a radically prevelant human tendency for people to be overconfident in their beliefs; thereby, a select dozen or so eye witnesses SWEARING ON EVERYTHING THEY HAVE that they saw a missile hit the Pentagon/WTC/etc is created. In addition, you have a significantly larger group of eye witnesses (which this film completely ignores for the much smaller group that goes along with their conspiracy theories) describing the planes.

And just to touch on this super quickly... they say that explosions spead throughout the floors of the towers were set off, and that's why it collapsed. However, you can see in this close up home video of the collapse that where the plane hit clearly caves in, and THEN the tower starts to collapse. This supports the explanation that once the support beams where the plane hit were weakend enough to cave in, the weight of the collapsing floors created a domino effect that brings down the entire building.

I would go on, but I don't have much more time to spend writing enormous posts for this topic. Basically, conspiracy theorists tend to only examine possibilies (military planes instead of commercial airliners? controlled demolition brings down the towers?) and then come up with wild explanations to support their incredulous claims (sophisticated voice-replicating cell phone calls from the planes).

If you want to read actual studies done to refute all of the 9/11 conspiracy claims out there, this site has some good articles on it.
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