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Maiden Of The Planet: Lovers?; I'm wondering about this...
Topic Started: Feb 8 2006, 07:10 PM (1,068 Views)
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Feb 19 2006, 07:59 PM
They're doing it to see their family/loves and tell them they loved them, no seen as. It was the desire to see/tell them that kept them from disappearing.

I understand that Aerith wants to tell Cloud that she loves him. But when you tell someone you love them, you're hoping to hear that they reciprocate your feelings.

Ever seen the movie Ghost, for example? Patrick Swayze's character had a hard time telling his girlfriend that he loved her while he was alive. After he died, he regretted not telling her clearly of his feelings. His ghost wanted to tell her that he loved her since he'd rarely said it while he was alive. When his ghost told her that he loved her, she let him know of her love for him. If the love is mutual, then it would be expressed by both sides.

It just seems logical to me that if Aerith wants to tell Cloud that she loves him, then she's hoping to hear that he loves her, too. I also see the flowers in the final scene to mean that Aerith has met Cloud in the flower field, and that they made their feelings clear to one another. The flowers in front of the photos on Cloud's desk tell me that Aerith is now part of his "family". Whether Cloud's "family" is based on friendship or love was left up to interpretation, just like it was left to interpretation with Tifa.

The flowers on the desk also signify to me that Aerith will continue to be a part of Cloud's life in some way, since her spirit is still "whole" at the end of the movie during Calling. It's left up to interpretation whether or not Aerith returns to the Planet after AC, and it was shown in AC that Cloud is able to see Aerith's spirit, communicate with her spirit, and touch her spirit while she is "whole". So whether Cloud visits with her spirit in the flower field all the time, or whether he keeps her memory close to his heart, or whether Cloud just remembers her as a good friend is left to your interpretation.

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But why would Aerith have wanted to be seen as family or love affair of Cloud? I mean, there's nothing for her on making her relationship obvious to 3rd persons (People aside from her and Cloud).

I'm primarily seeing it as between Aerith and Cloud rather than to third persons. If Aerith lets Cloud know how much she loves him, she'd want to know if he loves her, too. Again, it's left to interpretation whether third persons learn about it or not.
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I don't think that's the kind of things Aerith would do, yes she always loved Cloud but, now that she's dead having a normal relationship with Cloud its almost impossible (with this I'm NOT saying that Cloud can't love her back).

Even if telling your feelings is always something nice to do, in this case it would be a little bit selfish since one way or another, even if she's an independent being from the Lifestream, she's dead, and aside from wich Cloud's feelings may be (refering to the fact that he rather prefer living a life living with her memory and loving her without moving to anoher relationship), from a 3rd person view (a person who's not Cloud in this case Aerith), telling him her feelings might break him.

I think she expects him to love her, but I don't think she'll ever know until/if he tells her personally.
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Feb 20 2006, 09:53 PM
I think she expects him to love her, but I don't think she'll ever know until/if he tells her personally.

But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that if she tells Cloud that she loves him, then she's probably hoping to hear from him that he loves her, too.
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Feb 20 2006, 07:19 PM
But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that if she tells Cloud that she loves him, then she's probably hoping to hear from him that he loves her, too.

And that's why I said that. I don't think she would tell Cloud she loves him, she had chances to do it (in AC) and still has, but hasn't taken them. Doing so would be selfish, something Aerith is not. The only way I think she would do so, would be that Cloud becomes emo again because he thinks Aerith hated/hates him, or because he wanted to know if she loved him or whatever, and she told him so to take him out of that mood.

As I've already said, she may want to know if Cloud loved her back, but I don't think she would tell him, she loves him just to know it. That's not the kind of thing she does.
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Ohhhhh.... I see what you mean now! See, I was just basing the idea that Aerith wanted to tell Cloud she loves him because she said in MotP that she wanted to tell him that. MotP also tells us that spirits will do that. We also saw the spirit of Elmyra's husband try to do that in FFVII.

Plus, I don't see it as selfish. It's not that Aerith wants to claim ownership of Cloud. It's that she wants to give something to him.

Let's say that you were in love with a girl named Alexa, and Alexa died. You never had the chance to tell Alexa that you loved her before she died, and she had never told you that she loved you. Wouldn't you regret never having told her? Wouldn't you feel that now you will never know how she felt about you, and that you'll never have the chance to tell her now? To share that moment with someone you love is a gift, especially when the feeling is mutual. If I didn't get to share that with a man I loved before his death, I would love it if his spirit came back and told me. I wouldn't think of it as him being selfish at all. I'd be glad to learn how he felt about me, and to have the opportunity to tell him how I felt.

Plus, you say that Aerith had the opportunity to tell Cloud in AC. Yes, she did, but what if SE wanted to leave the LT up to interpretation? If SE showed Aerith telling Cloud that she loved him, then Cloud would give a response. If Cloud gave a response, then the LT would no longer be left up to interpretation.
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Feb 21 2006, 11:54 AM


Plus, I don't see it as selfish. It's not that Aerith wants to claim ownership of Cloud. It's that she wants to give something to him.


I totally agree with u, I don't see it selfish of Aerith at all. She never got the chance to tell cloud how she felt, so I don't see where that's being selfish if she wants him to know how she feels
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Th reason I said it would be selfish is because of Cloud's mood. Let's say she tells him, right? Then, How would Cloud feel after listening to it? He let her die, Wasnt't that what he thought? Wasn't that the way he felt? If there's something I know about guilt is that it never fully disappears. Then, with the knowledge that she loved him, and that he couldn't do anything to save her, there's tw probable things that may happen:

1 He loved her as well, and now that he knows she loved him too he'll be blaming himself again and even more than in AC, because the person with whom he wanted to share his life with is dead and it's his fault for his unability to save her.

2. He didn't loved her as she wanted to and this makes Cloud even more guilty since now not only he let her die, but he'll make her feel bad because he can't return her feelings.

As I said, confessing love to someone will always be something nice, but in Cloud's mood it might have another effect. Even so, this is one possible scenario of many ones that may happen, like she tells him she loves him and that makes him happy.

Still, there's a chance for the scenario that I described at first to happen, and I think that in the case of someone who knows Cloud really well (as Aerith is supposed to), then it would be selfish for her to confess her love to him, because she's supposed to know this scenario might take place.

I think that any love confession wouldn't do him any good at this time, even if it comes from Aerith, Tifa, Yuffie or any other person. He need his inner wounds to heal in order to start living a normal life (if that's ever possible), then he might be able to receive that kind of information, or, Who knows? He might be the kind of guy that is better at giving this kind of information rather than receiving them, at least he would be emotionally prepared for that ocassion. That's also why I said that I didn't thought Aerith would ever know until/if he tells her, his feelings personally. Well, I hope this makes my viewpoints clear.
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Oh, but I'm talking about this taking place in the flower fields at the end of the movie after Cloud had found forgiveness! I agree that it would have been tough for Cloud to hear this while he was feeling guilty for letting her die, and I think Aerith would know better than to tell him at that point, too.

But I'm picturing this as taking place in the flower fields after the end of AC, since I believe that Cloud goes out there fairly often to see her. Since he could talk to her and see her and touch her in AC, then it shouldn't be any problem for him to visit with her in the flower fields, right?

The ending scene of Cloud riding out to the flower fields during Calling, Aerith there waiting on him, and the flowers in Cloud's office mean to me that Cloud goes out to see her. We also see Cloud's bike parked on the side of the road, and hear Cloud's voice coming from the flower field during Reminiscence. Also in Reminiscence, we can't hear Tifa's voice talking during the last call. It's almost like a third person is hearing Cloud's side of the conversation, and it might be Aerith. ^_^

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I think it would be something Aerith wouldnt do, even after AC. I think she won't tell him until Cloud does.
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Feb 22 2006, 03:52 PM
We also see Cloud's bike parked on the side of the road, and hear Cloud's voice coming from the flower field during Reminiscence. Also in Reminiscence, we can't hear Tifa's voice talking during the last call. It's almost like a third person is hearing Cloud's side of the conversation, and it might be Aerith. ^_^

Is this scene in advent children during the end credits. I saw the movie to the end, including when he was riding his bike near the field but I don't remember this scene.
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Feb 22 2006, 04:53 AM
Th reason I said it would be selfish is because of Cloud's mood. Let's say she tells him, right? Then, How would Cloud feel after listening to it? He let her die, Wasnt't that what he thought? Wasn't that the way he felt? If there's something I know about guilt is that it never fully disappears. Then, with the knowledge that she loved him, and that he couldn't do anything to save her, there's tw probable things that may happen:

1 He loved her as well, and now that he knows she loved him too he'll be blaming himself again and even more than in AC, because the person with whom he wanted to share his life with is dead and it's his fault for his unability to save her.

2. He didn't loved her as she wanted to and this makes Cloud even more guilty since now not only he let her die, but he'll make her feel bad because he can't return her feelings.

As I said, confessing love to someone will always be something nice, but in Cloud's mood it might have another effect. Even so, this is one possible scenario of many ones that may happen, like she tells him she loves him and that makes him happy.

Still, there's a chance for the scenario that I described at first to happen, and I think that in the case of someone who knows Cloud really well (as Aerith is supposed to), then it would be selfish for her to confess her love to him, because she's supposed to know this scenario might take place.

I think that any love confession wouldn't do him any good at this time, even if it comes from Aerith, Tifa, Yuffie or any other person. He need his inner wounds to heal in order to start living a normal life (if that's ever possible), then he might be able to receive that kind of information, or, Who knows? He might be the kind of guy that is better at giving this kind of information rather than receiving them, at least he would be emotionally prepared for that ocassion. That's also why I said that I didn't thought Aerith would ever know until/if he tells her, his feelings personally. Well, I hope this makes my viewpoints clear.

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I guess I can see what you are saying now. I don't think that Aerith would ever do anything either to make Cloud feel horrible about what happned all over again. I personally don't think he would, but I could see maybe.
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Feb 23 2006, 03:49 AM
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We also see Cloud's bike parked on the side of the road, and hear Cloud's voice coming from the flower field during Reminiscence. Also in Reminiscence, we can't hear Tifa's voice talking during the last call. It's almost like a third person is hearing Cloud's side of the conversation, and it might be Aerith. ^_^

Is this scene in advent children during the end credits. I saw the movie to the end, including when he was riding his bike near the field but I don't remember this scene.

No. It's in Reminiscence.

And cloud_n_aerith_strife, please don't double post. If you want to add something more to a post you've already made, use the Edit button in the top right corner, okay? Thank you.

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I think it would be something Aerith wouldnt do, even after AC. I think she won't tell him until Cloud does.

Perhaps, but I never knew Aerith to refrain from saying something, whether it would bother someone or not. Remember the way she spoke to Barret at the Gold Saucer? (Then again, I always thought she said that for Barret's own good.) She also said "zuru, zuru, zuru" to Cloud in AC.

Besides, I can understand why it would bother Cloud while he was still feeling guilty over her death, but I don't really see why it would bother Cloud afterwards. It's possible that it'd make him feel badly if he didn't love her back, but the mere fact that Aerith wants to tell him indicates to me that she's quite sure that Cloud reciprocates her feelings.
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(Then again, I always thought she said that for Barret's own good.)

Exactly, but I see the same thing applied to Cloud. I think she'd only tell him her feelings if he REALLy needs to know about it.

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It's possible that it'd make him feel badly if he didn't love her back, but the mere fact that Aerith wants to tell him indicates to me that she's quite sure that Cloud reciprocates her feelings.

Yes, that's one of the possible outcomes of the possible scenarios I told you about. But even if he did, I doesn't necesarily should make him feel good. Yes, he's supposed to have got rid of his guilt in AC, but as I told you, guilt is something that can never be fully forgotten, and that can be triggered easily. In this case, if she tells him he might break down again, but now due to the knowledge that he might have actually have had something with Aerith (well, in the case he loved her).

This might sound as Cloti talking, but she also might not tell him because she would like him to move on. Yes, I know that's not her decition to make, but she might think that way until/unless Cloud tells her he rather wait for her.

BTW: I know that you're the Admin in here, but: Shouldn't this topic be in the "React to AC SPOILERS" forum instead of the spoiler's (this) one?
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No. It's in Reminiscence.




what is reminiscence, and sorry for the double post
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