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| Lady_leBLanc | Jan 8 2006, 01:49 AM Post #1 |
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Moonlight Sonata of Cloud ...
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My heart hurts when I read this artikle ...
source: http://peach-arrow.net/strife/tifa.php the writer tries to be neutral, but I sense that he/she may be a Cloti...what do you think about this? |
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| MistaCloudStrife | Jan 8 2006, 03:35 AM Post #2 |
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"I'll cut them off" O.O
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It doesn't change the fact that Aeris did more for Cloud than Tifa ever will. I believe this person is just highlighting Cloud and Tifa's relationship while ignoring Cloud and Aeris'. Think about the movie. After Cloud left Tifa in order to deal with his Geostigma, where did he go to live? Yeah. He may have dealt with the Geostigma by himself but since he was at Aeris' church don't you think that Aeris' presence helped Cloud more than Tifa's? During the Bahamut attack Cloud got help from everyone to launch him upward. Now during the Petaflare(I guess thats what it was) attack Cloud looked as if he was going to give up then whos presence AGAIN helped him? Aeris'. Who has "Been with him all this time"(Tifa's quote, not in exact words but you get it.) Aeris. And the most obvious, who saved his life by curing his Geostigma? Yeah. Anyway... Down to my opinion whatever that person said. I believe it's just a longer way of giving one of those "Aeris is dead and Tifa is alive. Cloud's gonna get with her." explinations. |
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| Anastar | Jan 11 2006, 06:40 PM Post #3 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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That's the way I see the essay, too, MistaCloudStrife. There's absolutely nothing to prove what that author is saying, Lady LeBlanc, and yes... the author is a Cloti. What she says is pure speculation. She's basically just *hoping* that Cloud will get together with Tifa now that he's over his guilt. There's nothing to prove it.My interpretation of AC was that Cloud is now able to meet Aerith anytime he wants in the flower field, and that he continues to love Aerith. I really doubt that Cloud moves back into the Seventh Heaven, because when he left it in Case of Tifa, it seemed to me that he had no intention of going back. He may use the office, but I really doubt that he moves back in. Reminisence to me seemed to indicate that Cloud planned to take a day off to spend with Aerith in the flower field. He seemed to be pushing Tifa away like he did in Case of Tifa. This is just a brief spiel, but if you want to see more about our thoughts, there's plenty of other threads in this AC Spoiler Forum that go into our different reasons. FF_Goddess has also started writing about AC at her website. You can find her essays here: Essays on the Love Triangle, by FF_Goddess. See her essays on Cloud and Aerith: The Proof and Cloud and Tifa: The Misconception for more on AC. You'll find more essays on AC at Madame Batolli's website, Hikari. If you click on Essays from her main page, you'll find essays about Case of Tifa and Advent Children. There's also another essay on Case of Tifa by me and others here at the CloudxAerith Forums. You'll find it here: Case of Tifa. Mz Tiesto also summarizes a number of things in Advent Children which indicate that Cloud continues to love Aerith in her post on Advent Children Hints. You'll find more about the CloudxAerith interpretation of Advent Children at our debate forum, which is here: The Northern Crater. Cleris people have been debating the Cloti's about different topics there, including AC. The most significant thing to me is that Cloud isn't seen riding back on Fenrir to Tifa at the Seventh Heaven at the end of the movie. IF Cloud was going to end up with Tifa, why didn't SE show Cloud going back to the Seventh Heaven to be with Tifa? Why didn't we see something to indicate romance between Cloud and Tifa at the end if they're supoosed to end up together? We don't even know for sure that Cloud moves back into the Seventh Heaven. Instead, we see flowers on Cloud's desk from the flower field and photographs of the flower field, which shows that the flower field is very significant to Cloud and that he visits there often. Why would the flower field be so significant to Cloud if he's in love with Tifa? So don't worry. There's lots to prove a Cleris interpretation of Advent Children.
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| Ally McBeal | Jan 11 2006, 08:26 PM Post #4 |
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i know...cloud doesn't end up with tifa..but why in DOC..is with her and barret? i know is vincent story..but is after AC..no? is like an AU? Oo |
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| Anastar | Jan 11 2006, 09:49 PM Post #5 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I like the idea of BarretxTifa! I think Barret would make Tifa much happier than Cloud would. Go Barrifa!!
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| Lady_leBLanc | Jan 12 2006, 01:32 PM Post #6 |
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Moonlight Sonata of Cloud ...
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isnt barret much older than Tifa? I hope TIfa would end up with Reno ^^ |
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| Luna-Nayru | Jan 12 2006, 01:44 PM Post #7 |
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Boys just wanna get in your tutu.
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I've been going to Stacey Anne's sites since I was about nine, and yes, she is a CloTi. I like her anyway, though, because she still tries to make her sites seem fair for Cleris fans, too. I still think it's okay for her to think that way, as long as she's not deliberately saying that Aeris is dead and it's stupid to think Cloud loves her. -_- Still, it does trouble me a little that fairness among LTD fans has become a matter of supporting one pairing and completely ignoring the other. I personally think CloTi would not survive even as a friendship without Aeris, and vice versa. So to leave one pairing out of the equation when talking about reasons why the other can get together really makes no sense to me at all. I'm not even going to comment on why I disagree with her thoughts. It's just the basic mentality that's troubling to me. :wacko: |
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| Anastar | Jan 12 2006, 11:24 PM Post #8 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I just look at the way Tifa and Barret get along. They understand one another, they communicate well, and Barret obviously likes her. I know many people like RenoxTifa, but I don't. At the most, I see Reno using her for a one night stand. I can't see Reno committing himself to any woman, but we know Barret will. Barret would be faithful and dedicated to Tifa, and he likes to be her hero. ![]() I forgot another thing which shows that Cloud and Tifa won't get together. The DoC previews show that Tifa's last name is still Lockheart.
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| aerithstrife | Jan 13 2006, 12:02 AM Post #9 |
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Ore wa gundam!
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:lol: Yes, it does blow some of cloti's theory out of portion on them being married. And reading the essay, well, I wouldn't consider it to be neutral at all. There's someone else there in that equation besides the two children and two adults.....that's Barret. She forgets to mention that Barret is also part of that equation. So its 3 adults and 2 children under one roof....plus they have separate rooms and Tifa is the one (besides Barret) who considers them to be a family. Tifa stress about this a lot in CoT but not once did we hear any thoughts on how Cloud feels. I think he doesn't consider it as a family unit but friends that he watched over. |
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| Ultima_Princess | Jan 13 2006, 12:57 AM Post #10 |
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That's not entirely true. In AC, we DO hear a bit from Cloud about the whole "family" issue. When Tifa says something like, "But I guess it doesn't matter because we aren't a real family" Cloud replies: "I think that....I can't save anyone. Even if it is a family member, or friends...anyone." So he says that he does have family, and we know that Cloud has no biological family members living, so I guess he does consider them family of some sort. But a group of close people who live together and take care of eachother are family even if there's no relation, right? |
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| Amathala | Jan 13 2006, 10:30 AM Post #11 |
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Snoogans!
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But you also forget that in VII he lost his MOTHER to Sephiroth, he joined SOLDIER not only to impress Tifa, but to protect people, and he failed at that as well, remember? He may not just be commenting only on Tifa's comment on "family". It is said in CoT that she wanted them to be a family, that she was seeing them all as a family, not Cloud. |
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| Anastar | Jan 13 2006, 11:48 AM Post #12 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I agree with Amathala. I thought that comment referred to Cloud losing his mother, since Cloud ran to his house to try and save his mother after Sephiroth set Nibelheim on fire. You see Cloud on the ground in front of his house waking up before he runs to the Nibelheim reactor. He'd tried to save his mother. That's who he couldn't protect. It doesn't make any sense for Cloud to be saying that in reference to members of "the family" in the Seventh Heaven when there's been no occasion where he couldn't protect them. |
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| Anti-R | Jan 13 2006, 05:48 PM Post #13 |
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the girl who becomes a prince
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Well, considering that Cloud ended up in the Church after Aerith saved his life again, I think that's saying a lot. CoT tells that he considered it "my place" and it was also where he found Denzel, and for some reason he was convinced that Aerith brought that child to him. In the movie, Cloud talked to Zack (through the sword bit) and Aerith regarding his troubles. But it seems he was more open to Aerith when he told her that all he really wanted was "I think I wanted to be forgiven." Aerith doesn't blame him for her death, and seeing MoTP, I think there's no way around it, really. But Cloud took it pretty hard of "I let her die", but in reality he shouldn't have to. And if he was content living with the other living girl whom many people claim he loves her as a child, I'm sure that could have healed the hurts. But it didn't. For two whole years. That's saying a lot IMHO. Aerith cured Cloud's guilt, his Geostigma and his life. That's also saying a lot. And this is from a girl who didn't have a huge screentime in the film. XD and Cloud's expressions says a lot whenever he sees Aerith. It's really quite something. And I'm not concerned with the family thing. Tifa considers Marlene as her daughter, she even told strangers that she is her daughter, but remains platonic with Barret, who happens to be the father. I consider the same thing concerning Denzel. |
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| Lynn | Jan 13 2006, 08:23 PM Post #14 |
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Lynn has no Lloud smut ;-;
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This makes it sound like Cloud and Tifa raised Marlene and Denzel from scratch, when Marlene was predominantly raised by Barret and Denzel was seven when his own parents died. And of course, the gaping void that was Barret has appeared yet again in this happy family. It's an interesting read, though. You can see the pivotal difference between Cloti and Cleris-- the latter believes Aerith played a huge role in Cloud's life, before and after death; while the former simply marginalises her as "the girl with mystical heritage who offers some words of encouragement". Funny how two wildly different interpretations could arise from the same game.
Don't see why he shouldn't be hanging around them, considering they're teammates and family and all. Having Cloud isolate himself again from them would be pretty counter-productive to everything in AC that taught Cloud NOT to isolate himself. ^^; Also, they're all going to help out Vincent. It's not like Cloud, Tifa and Barret piled into their caravan and decided to take a road trip together! Yuffie and Cid are there too. One of their own requires assistance, and AVALANCHE is there to help out. ;) |
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| Meggie | Jan 13 2006, 09:54 PM Post #15 |
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lifestream_dancer
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What we can wait from a Cloti...I am so angry and i am shaking... Can anyone kill Tifa? (Just joking) If only she could end up with Vincent or Rufus and leave Cloud-san alone! Cloud belongs to Aerith
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What she says is pure speculation. She's basically just *hoping* that Cloud will get together with Tifa now that he's over his guilt. There's nothing to prove it.

(Just joking) If only she could end up with Vincent or Rufus and leave Cloud-san alone! Cloud belongs to Aerith

12:38 AM Jul 11