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| Shen-hua | Dec 29 2005, 10:03 AM Post #1 |
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FIrst of all, sorry for writing in spanish but it´s the only way to express exactly what I want to say... ( I know that in this forum there are spanish people, please if you have a good level of english, could you traduce this?)FFVII es sólo un juego. Pero para mi, "es" muy especial por todos los valores que intenta transmitirnos, como la importancia de cuidar nuestro delicado planeta, lo importante que es la amistad y los logros que se consiguen cuando unimos fuerzas y la belleza que posee un sentimiento tan cálido como el amor... si, todos estos mensajes y unos personajes llenos de carisma es lo que lo elevan en mi escala de preferencia en videojuegos en el eslavón más alto, incluso superando a Xenogears, un magnifico juego que argumentalmente supera en todos los aspectos a FFVII. Bien, ahora hablaré de Aerith, ese maravilloso personaje que para mi es muchísimo más que un muñeco pixelado, pues en ella vi y sigo viendo muchísimos valores humanos que la sociedad acutal ni siquiera ha experimentado y que si tuviera la mitad de los que le han atribuido a este personaje, la sociedad iria muchísimo mejor. Gracias a ella, para mi la única protagonista real del juego junto con Sephiroth, pues son ellos los polos opuestos y los símbolos del bien y el mal, lo bueno y lo malo, la luz y la oscuridad, etc. pudimos disfrutar de una preciosa historia de amor que aunque podía respirarse a lo largo de todo el juego, no pudo ser y es este factor, uno de los que consigue que FFVII sea tan especial para millones de personas en el mundo entero. Pues bien, si ahora miramos hacia atrás y analizamos como ha sido tratada la relación entre Cloud y Aerith podemos ver un deterioro... antes, cuando el equipo original que creó el juego aún estaba íntegro, estos personajes aparecían en otros juegos o se les hacia mención como pareja, única interpretación que siempre he visto en el juego original. Ahora, con la marcha de Sakaguchi de SE y la ascensión al trono de NOmura esto está cambiando paulatinamente. Nunca he tenido dudas sobre el tipo de relación que intentaron plasmar en FFVII con CLoud y Aerith, no las tuve, hasta que AC vió la luz. Esta película está muchísimo más abierta a la intepretación que el mismo juego, quitándole mucho significado a la pareja y que sólo los fans de CLoud y Aerith seguimos viendo( bueno, yo no vi nada en ella, sino todo lo contrario) pues nadie puede negar que puede interpretarse, y demasiado bien, que esa chica que apenas sale es alguien querido por el protagonista y que se siente culpable por su muerte, pero ke al final de la película él supera su dolor. Fin de la historia, esto es lo que yo vi y tb vi un personaje femenino, que quiere mucho al protagonista y con el que se respira algo en el ambiente y esto cualquiera que no haya jugado al juego puede verlo. Que se queden juntos al final, es algo muy obvio que puede interpretarse también y yo odio con toda mi alma a Tifa, y sé que solo es un personaje de un videojuego, pero es lo que a lo largo de los años sus fans y Nomura me han llegado a provocar. Y es lo que Nomura está intentando introducir, siempre abierto a la intepretación, por supuesto, en todo los juegos de ahora. Pues, estoy jugando al KH2 en japonés, no entiendo nada, pero lo que menos se entiende es su aparición en el juego, qué coño pinta?! porque ahora, los CLotis si que pueden interpetar, si quieren, que ella es la luz de Cloud pero SOMOS NOSOTROS los que "YA" no podemos interpretar a Aerith como tal, cosa que niega totalmente la posible intepretación del KH1. pUes no es esto un giro argumental?! qué coño estás haciendo NOmura?! porque puedes llenar el vaso de agua, pero se lo excedes ese agua se derramará y es lo que va a pasar con los fans del FF, yo ya me estoy cansando de tanta tonteria. Por qué no dices claramente lo que estás lanzando en mensajes?! Nunca aceptaré la interpretación de la relación entre CLoud y Tifa, pq originalemente nunca existió, pero sí es eso lo que ahora buscas, pues hazlo y ya está, pero cierra la relación entre Cloud y Aerith de una forma adecuada y bonita, pq se puede hacer con facilidad. Yo ya estoy cansada de el LT, como ha podido introducirlo en un juego como KH?! no eras tú el que no quieria contrariar la interpretación de los fans, entocnes que coño haces?! Lo que creo es que Nomura está subiendo poco a poco al escenario a "su personaje" uesto que Nomura sí que es el "papá de Tifa", pues fue el quien quiso crearla y a quien se le ocurrió la idea de matar a la protagonista de "Sakaguchi". Si Sakaguchi ya no está, ¿ por qué seguir con Aerith, creada por Sakaguchi, cuando puede modificar elementos por aki y por allí e introducir a su creación,Tifa? todo fue "abierto a la interpretación, no? además, pueden hacerse más cosas con un personaje "vivo" que con uno "muerto" y al ritmo que salen las secuelas, pues ya me diréis, Aerith tuvo su papel en la historia original, pero ya está, ahora vienen argumentos nuevos... y una bonita historia de amor por introducir... Siento mucho haberme enrollado tanto, pero necesitaba expresarme, aunque no lo he dicho todo... sé que muchos de vosotros no lo veís así, pues lo interpretais de otro modo, cosa que antes no era necesario pues era la idea acertada, ahora tenemos que intpretarla con más fuerza... para mi, KH2 es desastroso en ese aspecto y yo que quria jugarlo felizmente en Navidad, menudo trozo de carbón me han traido los reyes, y encima del duro... pues, no os llenó más de alegria KH1 que lo que estamos viendo en el dos?! pues no sentisteis pequeñas punzadas en el estómago al ver la película de AC, pues no vimos lo que esperábamos ( y que en realidad era lo más lógico) y fue después de hablar en foros con fans de nuestra pareja, que esas punzadas empezaron a calmarse al dar y dar explicaciones interpretadas a favor de Cloud y Aerith y que aceptastéis como posibles?!) Para acabar, sólo quiero decir que prefiero que antes de que las cosas empeoren más de lo que lo está haciendo, cierren su historia pero de una forma llena de sentimiento para que podamos tener un recuerdo bonito, tampoco es tan dificil. y si no, escuchad la canción de "Sweet song" del jeugo Xenosaga episode 2, que podéis encontrar en la página www. bluelaguna.net y mientras la escucháis y leeís su letra, que podeis encontrar en la página de Chudah´s Corner pensad en un posible final para la historia de amor de Cloud y Aerith...
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| Seii Monogatari | Dec 29 2005, 10:45 AM Post #2 |
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I'm working on it, Shen-hua!!
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| Ally McBeal | Dec 29 2005, 11:08 AM Post #3 |
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i understand you -_- not only in the language but your feelings.. my english is not veey good.. but i wil try to translate her feelings FFVII is only a game. But for my, it's very special for all the values that it tries to transmit us , as the importance of taking care of our delicate planet, the important thing that is the friendship and the achievements that are obtained when we join forces and the beauty that possesses a feeling as warm as the love... If, all these messages and a few chraters with lot's of of charisma it is what they raise in my scale of preference in video games in the highest, even suspassing Xenogears, an awesome game that argumentalmente overcomes in all the aspects FFVII. Well, now I will speak about Aerith, this wonderful character who for is more than a pixelated thing, since in her I saw and I continue seeing many human values that the actual society has not even experienced and that if it had the half of those who have attributed this charactersx, the society and the world..will run much better thanks to her(aeris), for my the main star of the game along with the game Sephiroth, since they are the opposite poles and the symbols of the good and evil, the good thing and the wrongthing, the light and the darkness, etc. We could enjoy a beautiful history of love that though it could be breathed along the whole game, could not be and it is this factor, one of that achieves that FFVII is so special for million persons in the entire world. Well then, if now we look backward and analyze since the relationship has been treated between Cloud and Aerith we can see a deterioration ... before, when the original team that created the game still was complete , these characters were appearing in other games or they towards mention as the equal, onlyinterpretation that always I have seen in the original game. Now, that Sakaguchi's is off and the ascension to NOmura to the throne this is changing gradually. I have never had doubts on the type of relationship that they tried to make in FFVII with CLoud and Aerith, I did not have them, until AC come,. This movie is much more opened the intepretación that the same game, taking many significance to the love of this couple, and that only the fans of CLoud and Aerith we continue seeing (well, I did not see anything in this relationship in the movie ) ABOUT THE MOVIE: you can see in the movie...that this girl(aerith)..who isn't in the movie very much is someone very loved for cloud..and that he feels gulty for her death ..but that in the end of the movie..he surpass his pain nothing more..that is what i saw in the movie also i saw a female character who loves very much cloud,and that you can feel something..and if someone who hasn't played the game can see love they stay together until the end is sometihng so obvious ...and i hate tifa with all my soul and i know it's only a videogame character but is what throughout the years her fans and Nomura they have managed to provoke to me. and is what Nomura is trying to introduce, always opened the intepretationn, certainly, in every recently games . So I am playing the KH2 in Japanese, do not understand anything, but what less is understood her appearance(tifa) in the game, WHAT THE HELL SHE'S DOING HERE..IF HAS NOTHING TO DO??? cause now, the CLotis if that can see this , if they want, that tifa is Cloud's light but now..the cleris were not so sure..about aeris being cloud's ligth..(estoi de acuerdo..vete a la mierda nomura :hide:)cuse nomura cracked again the plot of kh i'm sick of nomura bullshits. Why do not you say clearly what you are throwing in your hidden messages?! I will never accept the interpretation of the relationship between CLoud and Tifa, cause originally in FF7 never existed.BUT IF YOU WANT NOW THIS..DO IT..but don't play with us and close the realtionship of cloud and aerith in a nice form. i'm really tired i don't know how he can introduce the LT..again in the game. what i believe is that nomura wants to put up"his character" (tifa)yes his the father of tifa,cause he has the idea of create her..and also to kill aerith(sakaguchi's character)so..why to continue with aerith ..when you can moditify elemnts in the hisotry with his own character(tifa)?everithing was open to the interpretion rigth?plus you can do ore things with an alive character that with one dead ..and the many sequels..who will have soon),aerith had her role in the original ff7..and point..now will come new plots and a nice lovestory per introduce i'm sorry if i talked to much..but i needed to say this ..even i didn't say all i know many of you don't see those things like me..you interpret the things of a diferent way..but with ff7 we don't need to interpret nothing ..like in those recent games ![]() now kh2 is a disater..in this aspect..i was very happy thinking of play the game but now... did not feel small twinges in the stomach on having seen AC's movie, since we did not see for what we were waiting (and that actually was the most logical thing) but after give our poin of views in the forums with other cleris in the forums..those twingies started calming down..and you started to see the things in a good way that you accepted as possible To finish, only I want to say that I prefer that before the things deteriorate more than is doing it, they close they love relationship with a story full of feeling in order that we could have a nice recollection, is not so difficult. And if not, listen to the song of " Sweet song " of Xenosaga episode 2, which you can find in the page www. bluelaguna.net and while you listen and read the lirycs you can think in a possible end for clod and aerith |
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| Seii Monogatari | Dec 29 2005, 11:34 AM Post #4 |
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Crap, Ally beat me to it!! ![]() I'm posting what I was gonna post anyway, I'm not putting that time I spent to waste. ![]()
*goes to read Ally's well-translated translation* |
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| Roseyrosho | Dec 29 2005, 11:43 AM Post #5 |
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@.@...that's a lot....I'll do it 4 you tho ![]() Edit: guess it's not needed anymore O_o LMAO I'm such a slow typer XD :lol: then....NVM..... *walks away* |
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| Ally McBeal | Dec 29 2005, 11:53 AM Post #6 |
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resuming:that the couple of cloud and aerith is not like in FF7....cause nomura has his character"tifa" and sakaguchi isn't here anymore) and she's plenty of indignation.. and i understand her.. |
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| Roseyrosho | Dec 29 2005, 11:56 AM Post #7 |
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yeah... me too... don't worry Shen-hua..come on and look at all these clerisy goody translations we have goin around!!!
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| -Testament- | Dec 29 2005, 11:58 AM Post #8 |
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Tifa will always be fan service or just an extra. I didn't want her in KH II since she had no ties to KH, but now with the scene with her giving Cloud her light, it just sparks the LT in KH, KH was nicely set up with Cloud looking for Aerith and finally meeting her, then bam KH II Tifa just pops in and forces her light on Cloud But I know Cleris is the ideal pairing, it's shown everywhere, there just irreplaceable important people to one another Aeris is always gonna be there for Cloud, and Aeris knows Cloud will always be thinking of her and keeping her close. My two cents
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| Shen-hua | Dec 29 2005, 12:31 PM Post #9 |
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Thanks Ally! and What do you think? Can you traduce this? ( lo siento, hazlo si quieres ypuedes, y muchisimas gracias por traducir mi novela anterior) Conocéis el ranking de los 10 creadores de videojuegos más queridos en Japón? Sakaguchi está en el nº 1 ( consultad página www.meristation.com in the forums) , pues bien, Nomura no aparece ni en pintura... http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/27/sakaguch...-list-in-japan/ EL FF que está considerado como el mejor es el FFVII ( y tb el FFVI ) de Sakaguchi, el creador de la historia, y creo que Nomura fue el creador del FFx( creo) y del futuro XIII y siguientes, si es que no lo echan o se va <_< . Bien, dicho esto, lo que creo que está haciendo el Nomura de los huevos, es aburrecernos del FFVII estropeándolo y cansándonos de la interpretación abierta de siemrpe, mediante más secuelas, crossovers, cambios de guión, etc. pues si no, ya pueden haber nuevos FF con mejoras gráficas, nuevos personajes, etc. que el FFVII seguirá siendo el más querido de entre todos los FF, cosa que, a mi creer,no interesa ni a la empresa ni al NOmura( ya que ahora él es el ""futuro de la compañía" ( o en todo caso de los nuevos FF) y Sakaguchi es el pasado, quien ahora es el rival de SE ya que tiene su propia compañía y va a trabajar para microsoft y su X-box 360., y que cojones, por envidia personal, que los japoneses son así, y le da tirria que un juego del año la quica es el favorito en casi todo el mundo y trata de echarle mierda para ke los suyos próximos sean mejores considerados y desbanque al 7, ke ya va siendo hora. Todo esto, es lo que yo y mi hermano creemos, pues él ha estudiado infografía 3D, relacionado con el mundo del cine y los videojuegos, y ha hecho clases de guión, storyboard, etc. y no tiene sentido lo que hacen, pues se ve improvisado y sacado de la manga. |
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| Aerith_kun | Dec 29 2005, 01:24 PM Post #10 |
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Shen-hua, I can understand you in both ways, too Although I´m angry with how Nomura and Co. are working, I keep the hope for DC... If they "destroy" this game, then they will can go to eat shit <_< I will try to resume your last post, Shen-hua: If you look at this link: http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/27/sakaguch...-list-in-japan/, you will can see Sakaguchi is considered like the most important creator in Japan, while Nomura doesn´t make an appearance in all the results -_- They think the best FF is FFVII, and SE doesn´t need to make sequels and crossovers for changing that. Like Sakaguchi is now the rival of SE with his new company and his businnes with X-Box and Nintendo, he belongs to the past, and SE seems more interested in winning money than making other more... creative games <_< Shen-hua´s brother has studied the making of storyboards and cinema; and they don´t find anything "clear" with all what SE is doing now with FFVII and its Compilation... More or less it´s what Shen-hua has said... Other thing, Shen-hua... is it true that you brother has studied it?? O.O.. And what does he think about AC like movie?? I love cinema, too... And my brother has studied it, like yours, and his opinion about AC is... well... a little bad ^^UU (he doesn´t know anything about FFVII)... |
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| Seii Monogatari | Dec 29 2005, 02:35 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks, Aerith-kun!
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| Onigiri | Dec 29 2005, 06:17 PM Post #12 |
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My brother is studying film too, and he dislike it, though he thinks the fighting scenes are cool. He has played FFVII though, but is not a total fanboy. I didn't like AC either, it made no sense, and was obviously pure fanservice. Anyway, Shen-hua, I understand what you are saying. I have been fustrated as well with all that has been put up recently, and Nomura always trying to advertise his own works (putting only his characters in KH1 because he was afraid to mess up Amano's work my foot! Probably was forced to put others in KH2 due to high demand...), but I feel better just knowing that only the original game counts. |
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| Difinity | Dec 29 2005, 10:42 PM Post #13 |
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I agree. I sometimes feel that Nomura might actually favor Cloti but the reason why he keeps adding Aerith as such a strong force in Cloud's life, whether in AC or Kingdom Hearts, is because he doesn't want to contradict what's already been set in stone. Cloud and Aerith have been featured in many games and their roles have always been the same; Cloud is always searching for her, claiming he lost something important and he needs to find the Promised Land, as he said he would at the end of Final Fantasy VII. To go and suddenly have Cloud fall in love with Tifa would completely contradict Final Fantasy VII entirely. Not only would it anger a lot of fans (which is why AC was left open to interpretation) but it would change the game in its entirety. Suddenly Aerith, who is the main heroine (no matter how many people say she isn't or believe that she's the co-heroine), the girl who sacrificed herself, was the closest to the main character, the one who represents light, is second place? The troubled childhood friend who actually caused more trouble for the main character, suddenly she's the one who can help him? Goodness. <_< |
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| Silver Tempest | Dec 30 2005, 01:39 AM Post #14 |
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I agree with pretty much everything that has been posted here. (Even if I don't understand Spanish Thanks everyone for the translations)To have Tifa suddenly appear in Kingdom Hearts 2 and last I checked offer her light to Cloud is disappointing on so many levels. KH1 was like a security blanket to Cleris fans, it was something concrete that we could fall back onto, something that could not be contradicted. Nomura himself even said that it could be interpreted that Aeris was Clouds light. Now we have Tifa in KH2...a little bit of a contradiction don't you think? For gosh sakes she didn't even exist in the first game!
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| Ally McBeal | Dec 30 2005, 08:03 AM Post #15 |
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i agree cloud never was in love with tifa(well the famous child crush)... SE NEEDS a good reason now for change this <_< i'm still wondering why and what tifa is doing in KH2 i don't get this...she didn't exist in kh1..but she knows cloud.....yeah definetly..nomura..your a money whore
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( I know that in this forum there are spanish people, please if you have a good level of english, could you traduce this?)
sé que muchos de vosotros no lo veís así, pues lo interpretais de otro modo, cosa que antes no era necesario pues era la idea acertada, ahora tenemos que intpretarla con más fuerza... para mi, KH2 es desastroso en ese aspecto y yo que quria jugarlo felizmente en Navidad, menudo trozo de carbón me han traido los reyes, y encima del duro... pues, no os llenó más de alegria KH1 que lo que estamos viendo en el dos?!



nice lovestory per introduce


Aeris is always gonna be there for Cloud, and Aeris knows Cloud will always be thinking of her and keeping her close.

Thanks everyone for the translations)
For gosh sakes she didn't even exist in the first game!

2:47 PM Jul 11