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I Got It! *sephiroth Vs Cloud*; Warning! Spoilers! Warning!
Topic Started: Dec 24 2005, 01:06 PM (6,801 Views)
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What is the significance of the blue ice cream? And what was Sora's reaction when he saw the picture? Like, more detailed-ly speaking.


Y'see in the prologue, Roxas would hang out with his friends at the clock tower/train station and eat ice scream (a rather dangerious place for kids to hang out in IMHO). Goofy identified the other kids by name, but he was surprised that he doesn't know the fourth one. Sora said the boy's name is Roxas, though he doesn't understand why he knew that piece of information. I guess the story will reveal itself in time.

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His name is Saix.


Thank you! XD I don't to go to gameFAQs and be spoiled so I didn't do any research on the matter.

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I know it could get repetitive, but Cloud and Sephiroth are eternal rivals. It really won't end unless Square stops using Cloud's story. Besides, Square is promoting AC in KH2. What do you expect? The lack of Sephiroth angst would make no sense if Cloud was just there. Whether people like it or not, the real story of FFVII IS about Cloud and Sephiroth. And their eternal battle will not be concluded forever in a side story game involving Disney of all things.


That's true. I mean look at AC, it was a build up between Cloud and Sephiroth. Kadaj and his brothers makes fine opponents, but he can't take Sephiroth's place as Cloud's true enemy. Cloud and Sephiroth will always be together in crossed swords, wether we like it or not.

The reason I'm rolling my eyes is that Cloud keeps pounding that piece of information into my head like a giant mallet. Sephiroth = Your darkness. I GET IT ALREADY. XD

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So, did Tifa ever say anything about giving Cloud any type of light? Because I don't remember reading anything like that in your posts...


Not yet. I guess I'm supposed to fight Sephiroth to activate this scene.
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Dec 28 2005, 08:27 PM
Well...  Umm...  Cloud's story REVOLVES around Sephiroth.  Take away Sephiroth and Cloud is left with a non-existant sidestory or at the very  most, a crappy one.  If people want a story with just Cloud deciding who he wants, then you have an extremely out of character Cloud.

I know it could get repetitive, but Cloud and Sephiroth are eternal rivals.  It really won't end unless Square stops using Cloud's story.  Besides, Square is promoting AC in KH2.  What do you expect?  The lack of Sephiroth angst would make no sense if Cloud was just there.  Whether people like it or not, the real story of FFVII IS about Cloud and Sephiroth.  And their eternal battle will not be concluded forever in a side story game involving Disney of all things.

Nah. Honestly, there could always be new things. The game is about Cloud and Sephy but also a LOT more things, like the planet and life - which became overruled by fanservice..but it could also just be about Cloud finding himself, you know, or other things NON Cloud. I'd prefer no Cloud sidestory than one of him battling Sephiroth still...But that's just me..:P
Also, It's not like there is anything personal between Cloud and Sephiroth that makes them eternal rivals. They are just marketed like that. Like the game, Cloud did admire him (from afar - big difference!) and then kinda got betrayed, but to Sephiroth, Cloud is just another clone, and has no attachement to him but that he's a puppet. Him going back in AC like that like he was specifically targetting Cloud is just so...OOC...I think Cloud's enemy is more himself than anyone else. Sephiroth was just the person he put on blame.

Anti-R, you've probably mentioned this, but I'm afraid to read all your post since I don't want the whole thing spoiled :lol: but is KH2 fun? Like, gameplay wise. I liked it in KH a lot, wonder if KH2 is a big improvement? The vid clips had him with crazy moves, but flashy moves isn't all of it. It could become redundant and a little annoying. so, feedback?
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Thanks for telling us about the Cleris scene, Anti-R! :fangirl: Well, it definitely explains the ending credits, and there's now a very glaring parallel between Cleris and Sokairi. :fangirl: Looks like Square Enix is expecting all of us here to buy KH3. :lol:

Thanks for the link to the video, Ally. It was really sweet, but it made me feel kinda sad as well. Ah, now we know why Aerith is in that pose for her CG model! It's because she does that to Cloud! :cleris: Does anyone know how to save this video, though?
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Dec 29 2005, 04:59 AM
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His name is Saix.


Thank you! XD I don't to go to gameFAQs and be spoiled so I didn't do any research on the matter.

I don't go to gamefaqs that much really. The forums are a bit too disorganized and chaotic for me to actually have the patience to go through each page. I edit KH and FF pages at wikipedia (which is how I knew), and I also go on KHU/KHI, which is how I was able to know most of KHII spoilers.

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That's true. I mean look at AC, it was a build up between Cloud and Sephiroth. Kadaj and his brothers makes fine opponents, but he can't take Sephiroth's place as Cloud's  true enemy. Cloud and Sephiroth will always be together in crossed swords, wether we like it or not.

True, but I think SE should be quite clever enough to think up a new plot and story. I mean, they came up with FF7, didn't they? :P

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Not yet. I guess I'm supposed to fight Sephiroth to activate this scene.

Good luck!
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Oh, my friend translated that scene in full for me! :fangirl:

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Sora: Ah! Cloud!
Donald Duck: What are you doing?
Cloud: I am...
Cloud: I shall put an end to it this time, once and for all.
Cloud: I can feel the the evil in me taking its shape. (note: not exactly sure)
Donald Duck: Somehow, Cloud is very darkness-like yourself.
Cloud: If it's so, it's that person's fault.
Sora: Who?
Cloud: Sephiroth.
Cloud: If you see him, please let me know.
Sora: Yes, what's special about his appearance?
Cloud: Long silver hair, long sword.
Sora: Ok, see you, Cloud.
Cloud: Be careful.
Cloud: That person has the ability to make you think that darkness is correct.
Aerith: What are you taking about? *follows Cloud off-screen*
Sora: Eh to~~

Cloud: Nothing at all.
Aerith: Fuu n~~
Cloud: I don't want to get you involved in this.
Aerith: You're going to leave me behind and go again, right?
Cloud: I am...
Cloud: No~ Even if I go somewhere far away, I'll come back.
Aerith: Really?
Cloud: Yes.
Aerith: Look! You're looking troubled~~
Aerith: Okay! I understand now. You're holding the determination to end it.
Cloud: Eh?
Aerith: No matter how far you go, if you find the light in you**
Aerith: It will definitely lead you back to the place you should return to, right?
Cloud: Yes, you're right.
Aerith: So, I will give you my support here.
Aerith: Right! Cloud.
Cloud: Yeah. *walks away*
Aerith: I wonder if he'll be fine.
Sora: He'll be fine!
Sora: You should believe in the light in Cloud.
Aerith: Yes indeed!

**Note: Aerith uses "anata" here, which means "you". If you wanna make a big stretch and jump to conclusions, wives tend to use that term when they're talking to their husbands. *laughs* Else, it's just a more feminine way of saying "you". Note also that Tifa used "kimi" when talking in AC, which is less affectionate.


:cleris:
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Ally McBeal
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:woot: i tihnk this is the best translation
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:lmao:

Oh but of course, my poor slave-driven friend deserves much praise. :huggle:
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how many $$$ she(he wants? :hide:
we need your fRIend for more scenes xD
EDIT: OH WAIT I'M CONFUSE
Aerith: You should believe in the light in Cloud.(is not sora who says this?)
Aerith: Yes indeed!
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LOL, if you give me the clips, I might be able to give you the translations. XD XD XD

Oh sorry, typo! Was copying and pasting, got rather messy. Sora says that!
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any translation that makes it more :cleris: is better :whistle:
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**Note: Aerith uses "anata" here, which means "you". If you wanna make a big stretch and jump to conclusions, wives tend to use that term when they're talking to their husbands. *laughs* Else, it's just a more feminine way of saying "you". Note also that Tifa used "kimi" when talking in AC.


:plot: :cleris:

I love you Clorith!!! :huggle: and your friend..I shall be her/his slave .........4 a week XD



BTW...what is "kimi"? :unsure:
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"kimi" is a just more general way of saying "you". :) This is just a tiny inconsequential tidbit, really. A fun tidbit, nonetheless. :lmao:

LOL, I think I'm already indebted to her for the rest of my life. :lmao:
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Ah! Much better translation! Many thanks to your friend! XD

I got confused with Aerith's "koko iru" sentence... sorry...

Man, Cloud IS concerned for her! *squee*

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kimi


A much politer way of saying "you".
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so what's kimi and what's anata?
and kokoro iru??
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Japanese have a very wide range of saying "you". Omae, Anata, Kimi, Anta, etc.

All of them means "you".

Anata can be taken to a romantic context. Married spouses refer to each other "Anata" instead of their names.

Koko iru: here
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