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Tifa In Kh2!; Confirmed
Topic Started: Dec 20 2005, 10:32 PM (19,348 Views)
Shiva
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Told ya! :P Tifa is not Cloud's light. Aerith is. :cleris: If that scene is translated just like that in the English version, we will have PROOF that Aerith is Cloud's light.
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LOL Geez...all this over nothing. Everyone was screaming and capslocking, and getting all pissy at Nomura (if it weren't for Nomura, no pretty Aerith and bishie Cloud), over nothing. It's just like FF_G, Anastar, and many other POSTIVE peeps were saying. Things aren't always what they seem! ^_^

Yaay for my beautiful Cleris moments! I am a happy fangirl. :cleris:

BTW, could we have a little less caps locking from some of the members here? When I read the posts with my mind, I can literally hear screaming in my brain. It's noon, I've worked all night, and it's quiet time LOL.


:huggle: to all of you who were patient! and :huggle: :huggle: to you who werent, because I know you all were frustrated...just...next time try not to lose faith next time. (Faith *snerk*)
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:blast: 49 pages because of Tifa?? I thought this was a Cleris forum! Sure, we may all debate about the chances of KH2 being a CloTi, but we must look back at the Cleris moments!! Have trust in Nomura... even though I too want to kill him for this war-like love triangle has been dragged ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE... But you all have stated MANY concepts of KH2 that are SOOOO... *squee!!!!* Cleris!!! And that scene between them is BEYOND cute.

And although I HATE Tifa with a passion... (sorry), I trust that she was just HELPING Cloud, nothing more... I've never really cared for what the CloTis think because... Lord knows what kind of imbecility goes around in their... I'm not even gonna CALL them brains... All they do is make fun of Cleris/Clerith forums and sites and have no proof to back up their fights... But anyway, I believe Tifa's just helping out, helping a GOOD FRIEND, nothing more! I admit, I AM worried, but I think that all died down with this whole debate going on. It seems you guys have your reasons and opinions and thoughts but aren't using that to cool down... I mean...

If we worried so much about Cloud and Tifa getting together, we would stop cherishing the love between Cloud and Aerith, RIGHT?!! ^_^ I seriously don't think Tifa is Cloud's light anyway... I know for a fact that it was confirmed a long time ago that Cloud's light was Sephiroth... but I DOUBT it was Sephy, himself. I think Cloud needs to replenish himself of his DARKNESS (Sephiroth).

Cheer up, everyone!! This happened a LOOOOOONG time ago too, huh? The WAR and all the worrying and SQUEE-ing too... And it's gonna happen again because of all the whoring goin' 'round... :lol:

:cleris: :cleris: :cleris:
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Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM
:blast: 49 pages because of Tifa?? I thought this was a Cleris forum! Sure, we may all debate about the chances of KH2 being a CloTi, but we must look back at the Cleris moments!! Have trust in Nomura... even though I too want to kill him for this war-like love triangle has been dragged ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE... But you all have stated MANY concepts of KH2 that are SOOOO... *squee!!!!* Cleris!!! And that scene between them is BEYOND cute.

And although I HATE Tifa with a passion... (sorry), I trust that she was just HELPING Cloud, nothing more... I've never really cared for what the CloTis think because... Lord knows what kind of imbecility goes around in their... I'm not even gonna CALL them brains... All they do is make fun of Cleris/Clerith forums and sites and have no proof to back up their fights... But anyway, I believe Tifa's just helping out, helping a GOOD FRIEND, nothing more! I admit, I AM worried, but I think that all died down with this whole debate going on. It seems you guys have your reasons and opinions and thoughts but aren't using that to cool down... I mean...

If we worried so much about Cloud and Tifa getting together, we would stop cherishing the love between Cloud and Aerith, RIGHT?!! ^_^ I seriously don't think Tifa is Cloud's light anyway... I know for a fact that it was confirmed a long time ago that Cloud's light was Sephiroth... but I DOUBT it was Sephy, himself. I think Cloud needs to replenish himself of his DARKNESS (Sephiroth).

Cheer up, everyone!! This happened a LOOOOOONG time ago too, huh? The WAR and all the worrying and SQUEE-ing too... And it's gonna happen again because of all the whoring goin' 'round... :lol:

:cleris: :cleris: :cleris:

Heh. You should take a look on page three of Anti-R's thread.
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Dec 27 2005, 08:46 PM
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Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM
:blast: 49 pages because of Tifa?? I thought this was a Cleris forum! Sure, we may all debate about the chances of KH2 being a CloTi, but we must look back at the Cleris moments!! Have trust in Nomura... even though I too want to kill him for this war-like love triangle has been dragged ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE... But you all have stated MANY concepts of KH2 that are SOOOO... *squee!!!!* Cleris!!! And that scene between them is BEYOND cute.

And although I HATE Tifa with a passion... (sorry), I trust that she was just HELPING Cloud, nothing more... I've never really cared for what the CloTis think because... Lord knows what kind of imbecility goes around in their... I'm not even gonna CALL them brains... All they do is make fun of Cleris/Clerith forums and sites and have no proof to back up their fights... But anyway, I believe Tifa's just helping out, helping a GOOD FRIEND, nothing more! I admit, I AM worried, but I think that all died down with this whole debate going on. It seems you guys have your reasons and opinions and thoughts but aren't using that to cool down... I mean...

If we worried so much about Cloud and Tifa getting together, we would stop cherishing the love between Cloud and Aerith, RIGHT?!!  ^_^  I seriously don't think Tifa is Cloud's light anyway... I know for a fact that it was confirmed a long time ago that Cloud's light was Sephiroth... but I DOUBT it was Sephy, himself. I think Cloud needs to replenish himself of his DARKNESS (Sephiroth).

Cheer up, everyone!! This happened a LOOOOOONG time ago too, huh? The WAR and all the worrying and SQUEE-ing too... And it's gonna happen again because of all the whoring goin' 'round...  :lol:

:cleris:  :cleris:  :cleris:

Heh. You should take a look on page three of Anti-R's thread.

That's the scene that's 'beyond cute' that I was talking about. SO SWEET. :fangirl:
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Dec 27 2005, 05:18 AM
You lot really do update quickly! 707 posts and 10,000+ page views. Ahhh, how Tifa causes us all so much angst.

I think the reason everyone is so worried/disappointed/upset by this Tifa-revelation is because it's all been hyped up too much. I mean, if Tifa was there we'd be perfectly happy with what we have already and run around waving our "wooo Cleris" flags. Putting Miss Lockhart in doesn't change that at all. *blinks*

In fact, if it was any girl other than Tifa talking to and 'helping' Cloud (i.e. Yuffie, Marlene, Lucretcia, Kairi, Elmyra, wudeva) I doubt we'd be bothered and we certainly wouldn't think of the romantic implications.

Worry not, as it's been said a gazillion times, the LT will not be resolved in an AU cameo. *hugs FFVII canon* Ahh, how I love thee. ;P



:cleris:

Truth, yo! And much love for the sig. :wub: :lmao:

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I'll try to get screens, coz the flashes seem different to me. I wasn't talking about the ones surrounding Sephiroth as he appeared, but that large flash before Sephiroth's sparklies appear. (EDIT: This is the flash I meant. Cloud and Leon are seen fighting the Heartless up close right before this, and the flashes are smaller as the Heartless are killed:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/ffp...notherflash.jpg


The picture you're talking about, correct? It's essential to remember that Sephiroth knocked out a whole row of heartless AT ONCE. Those are the heartless being defeated. Cloud only defeats heartless one at a time, ditto with Leon.


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But why would Tifa's flash blind Cloud? That doesn't make any sense. Tifa wouldn't want to blind Cloud when he's facing off Sephiroth. And why would calling his name cause such a flash? As he runs away, she calls his name again and there is no flash, so it's not just a result of calling his name. Why would transportation cause a flash like that? Any transportation system built for a spaceship would take into consideration that the people transporting down may be transporting into a battle to help allies. Why would a transportation system be built so that it may potentially harm allies?

In other words, I see no reason for Tifa to be "flashing". No transporter would be made in a way that allies could be potentially harmed. Tifa wouldn't want to harm Cloud, especially as he's facing Sephiroth. Calling his name doesn't cause a flash later, so how could calling his name cause a flash earlier?


Ah--I should've stated that I threw out the transportation idea later. I apologize over that. XD;;

And I never stated that calling his name caused a flash and Tifa would never want to harm Cloud, especially as he's facing Sephiroth--however, how is calling his name while he's facing Sephiroth "good" for him? It distracts him and in those precious few seconds, he could've been sliced in half. She tries her best to help him (i.e. fighting Sephiroth, withholding the truth in FFVII), but it doesn't always work out to be the best.

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Since the flash blinds Cloud, it is most likely an offensive "flash". Tifa doesn't use offensive flashes as she battles the Heartless later. So who is the most likely to use an offensive flash that would harm Cloud? Tifa or Sephiroth? Logically, it makes much more sense that the flash comes from Sephiroth, especially since Sephiroth tells Cloud right before it happens that Cloud is "shining".

Furthermore, since Demyx uses the same sort of flash as he makes his weapon appear, we know that "bad guys" are able to use light in such a way.


And this is where we disagree. I'm thinking of (physical) light in two different ways, actively and passively used. Actively is an attack like Holy or even Ultima. It's directed by the caster and the light is intended to be used, even if defensively. Passively is just effect, such as a bright flash from teleportation or Demyx summoning his weapon (that's how I classify it).

Demyx is not actively summoning the light, he's summoning the weapon and the light is just ritual/a practical way of making the weapon appear.

And if Sephiroth suddenly has the power to use flashes of light (which I'd find extremely ironic, but regardless), why doesn't he use them before? Why not in Kingdom Hearts or even when he first sees Cloud? Why are they only activated when Tifa is also present?

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Doesn't matter. It still shows that his "powers" can utilize light.


But the light is not what he's trying to summon/create. It's the weapon that he's after. It's not being offensively used, it's only the effect. Even if his powers can be connected to light, that doesn't connect him to Sephiroth in any way. It's like saying that Axel can use fire-- could Larxene use fire? :whistle:

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*gives MT another cookie*


Are you trying to fatten me up? :P :huggle:

AND WHY THE HECK AM I DEBATING AGAINST ANASTAR?! <--- one of the stupider things I've done this year. :lol:
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Dec 27 2005, 09:06 PM
Anastar
 

The picture you're talking about, correct? It's essential to remember that Sephiroth knocked out a whole row of heartless AT ONCE. Those are the heartless being defeated. Cloud only defeats heartless one at a time, ditto with Leon.

But the picture is before Sephiroth appears. After the picture above, the camera angles to the left, and then you see this as Sephy appears: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/ffpics/Sephyflash.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/ffp...Sephyflash2.jpg

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And I never stated that calling his name caused a flash and Tifa would never want to harm Cloud, especially as he's facing Sephiroth--however, how is calling his name while he's facing Sephiroth "good" for him? It distracts him and in those precious few seconds, he could've been sliced in half. She tries her best to help him (i.e. fighting Sephiroth, withholding the truth in FFVII), but it doesn't always work out to be the best.

I didn't think you did say that calling his name would cause such a flash. I'm just looking at any possible way that Tifa could cause such a flash. We've both rejected the idea of a transporter causing it. Tifa calling his name doesn't seem to be causing it, either. She doesn't use a flash offensively as she attacks the Heartless. So I'm asking - what else does Tifa do that could possibly cause such a flash?

And I agree that what she does doesn't always work out to have the best effect on Cloud, such as lying to him about not being in Nibelheim. However, I'm still wondering why Tifa would "flash", and how she would cause it? She isn't healing him, either, so what makes you think it comes from Tifa?

EDIT 12/28: Anti-R came up with an excellent theory about the flash in her post last night: http://s8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...opic=3209&st=60

Anti-R
Dec 28 2005, 07:38 AM
Tifa came shouting, and as soon Cloud took his eyes off Sephiroth his enemy disappeared (as for the flash of light, I won't be surprised if Tifa defeated some Heartless offscreen). Cloud went after him. Tifa entered the scene, kick some butt and shouted vainly for Cloud to wait.

That's the best explanation I've seen. The only thing is... would Tifa killing Heartless produce such a huge flash? :unsure: Even Sephy killing multiple Heartless at the same time didn't produce such a huge flash. Still... it makes more sense than anything else. Good thought, Anti-R! :cheer:
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And this is where we disagree. I'm thinking of (physical) light in two different ways, actively and passively used. Actively is an attack like Holy or even Ultima. It's directed by the caster and the light is intended to be used, even if defensively. Passively is just effect, such as a bright flash from teleportation or Demyx summoning his weapon (that's how I classify it).

Demyx is not actively summoning the light, he's summoning the weapon and the light is just ritual/a practical way of making the weapon appear.

Okay, Demyx isn't using the light offensively, true. However, one effect of him summoning his weapon is a production of light. Light is still the result of him doing something, whereas I don't see Tifa doing anything that could possibly cause it.

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And if Sephiroth suddenly has the power to use flashes of light (which I'd find extremely ironic, but regardless), why doesn't he use them before? Why not in Kingdom Hearts or even when he first sees Cloud? Why are they only activated when Tifa is also present?

I don't see the use of light as so very different from other spells that Sephiroth has used in the past, such as Shadow Flare and Supernova. It also seems that each character has light within them that they can utilize. Riku originally attracted a keyblade because of the light within him, for example, and so did Sora. Perhaps Sephiroth has learned to utilize the light within him. I find that to be the most likely explanation since Sephiroth told Cloud right before the flash that Cloud was beginning to shine.

OR it may be coming from a third source that we know nothing about. However, I have a hard time believing it comes from Tifa simply because I see her doing nothing to activate such a light.

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Are you trying to fatten me up?  :P   :huggle:

AND WHY THE HECK AM I DEBATING AGAINST ANASTAR?! <--- one of the stupider things I've done this year. :lol:

:lmao: Is this a debate? I'm just discussing different ideas with a friend. :wink: Have another cookie! :huggle:
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Its true, we easily get upset or excited over a few tibits. It is best to see it out fully then vent/cheer. But...who's that patient? :P
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^And every forum in the world would die, as well. :lol: Forums like these thrive on guesses and theories-- the point is just not to take them too seriously... at least until the game comes out. Then we can spaz like mad. ^_^

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AND WHY THE HECK AM I DEBATING AGAINST ANASTAR?! <--- one of the stupider things I've done this year.  :lol:

:lmao: I wish you all the best, MT. *salutes* :P
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psssssh...the only cloti moment(if this cloti)..probably is ithe colosseum..they figth together :D
**prepares keyblade**:hide:
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Dec 28 2005, 08:33 AM
psssssh...the only cloti moment(if this cloti)..probably is ithe colosseum..they figth together :D
**prepares keyblade**:hide:

Yeah.... <_< Some people also think Yuffie and Leon are a couple for that.
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but at least yuffie and leon..have some interaction..out of the battle :D
edit: OMG.THE HADE'S CUP IN KH2

Believe it. It's the 49th battle of the Hades cup.

In Hades cup (the 50 matches) you can fight:

- Yuffie & Tifa on 10th match HOW CUTE ^.^
- Pete on 20th match
- Cloud & Tifa on 25th match **PREPARES KEYBLADE** :shifty:
- Hades (normal) on 30th match
- Cloud & Leon on 40th match
- Cerberus on 48th match
- Cloud/Leon/Tifa/Yuffie on 49th match :hide: OMG!:swoon::battle:
- Hades (red) on final match

The actual recommended level on that cup is lvl 99 :)
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Dec 28 2005, 08:40 AM
- Yuffie & Tifa on 10th match HOW CUTE ^.^

Yush! Yuffie/Tifa OTP 4eva! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dec 28 2005, 06:13 AM
^And every forum in the world would die, as well. :lol: Forums like these thrive on guesses and theories-- the point is just not to take them too seriously... at least until the game comes out. Then we can spaz like mad. ^_^

LOL True. And... hm... I'm not even as patient to wait for the game so... I GUESS WE CAN KEEP ON GUESSING! :party:

Ally McBeal
Dec 28 2005, 08:40 AM

- Cloud/Leon/Tifa/Yuffie on 49th match  OMG!:swoon:

Holy crap! All of them together?? That's gonna be a lil craaaazy hard... LOL. At least for me. It'll take a while! That's cool though! I loved the Hades Cup in the first KH game. Yuffie was a little annoying though... :P
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Dec 28 2005, 01:40 AM
- Cloud/Leon/Tifa/Yuffie on 49th match :hide:

ZOMGORGIEWTFBBQ
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