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| Tifa In Kh2!; Confirmed | |
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| Difinity | Dec 27 2005, 12:11 AM Post #616 |
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Ho ho ho, looks like Sephiroth is more important that Cloud's so called "light". Honestly, I don't even know what Tifa is DOING in Kingdom Hearts at all. It was fine before she was introduced; her being in this game at all has only confused things.If she wasn't with the others in the Hollow Bastion, then where is she from? Why wasn't she with the others in Kingdom Hearts? Unless she was lost in the confusion as Cloud was (which is why he was seperated from Aerith&co.) then she just appeared out of no where. Cloud, Aerith and the others are from Hollow Bastion. If Tifa isn't, then how does she know Cloud? And why is she looking for him anyway? Cloud and Aerith know each other and are important to one another, that much we know. (It's been stated that Cloud is important to Aerith in that scan and if Cloud doesn't want Aerith involved in his side quest then its safe to assume that she's important to him as well.) Tifa is just...there. Feh, for all I know, during the fight with Sephy, the subject of light came up and Cloud thought of Aerith, his light, he glows, and all other stuff ensues. But that's my thought.
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| Anastar | Dec 27 2005, 12:13 AM Post #617 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Thanks for the summary, MT! I still can't get the video to load. <_<One question: where does the light come from that blinds Cloud? From what Sephiroth says, it's Sephiroth that "casts" it. And I agree... if he runs from Tifa, then he's not searching for her. That alone says she's not his light. I never saw Sora run from Kairi.
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| Materia Thief | Dec 27 2005, 12:17 AM Post #618 |
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No problem. ![]() I don't think it's Sephiroth, honestly, as I can't see Sephiroth as the kind of person to cast "light" around. The flash of light comes from the right of the screen, assumedly where the voice comes from, as the flash comes right after the voice calls out, "Cloud" and it's from the direction he looks towards and where Tifa also arrives from. A similar flash of light is shown with the same pained reaction from Cloud when Tifa starts to fight Sephiroth in the Cloud vs. Sephiroth scene. I think the flashes of light are from Tifa, but I'm not entirely sure. |
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| Anastar | Dec 27 2005, 12:21 AM Post #619 |
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Maybe I need to see it. ![]() I don't understand why the light is blinding Cloud and why Cloud reacts with pain if the light is "good". That's why I'm thinking it came from Sephiroth. Also, Sephy says that Cloud is starting to shine before the light flashes. In other words, I'm wondering if this is showing that you don't have to be someone's light to "cast" light?
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| Difinity | Dec 27 2005, 12:21 AM Post #620 |
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That would only give more fodder to the idea that Tifa represents light, which is absolutely contradictory not to mention RIDICULOUS. <_< |
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| Materia Thief | Dec 27 2005, 12:22 AM Post #621 |
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If these flashes of light are from Tifa however, it says something about her light to him. These flashes of light pain him and disable/weaken him for moments at a time. They're certainly no good for him. The light he uses around the end of the clip of the Cloud vs. Sephiroth fight that empowers him is from himself and where exactly it's drawn from, we can't say, now can we? EDIT:
I think anyone can cast "light" in a physical sense, such as the fact that I can throw a flash grenade and blind everyone. XD No one will like me for it, sure, but I cast "light" didn't I? However, I don't think the light is from Sephiroth--has Sephiroth ever been one to use light, even in a physical sense, as a power of his? |
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| Lesca | Dec 27 2005, 12:22 AM Post #622 |
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I think its from Tifa too...Someone shouts his name he looks then the bright light appears and he looks kinda in pain o.o Sephiroth says something then vanishes I've noticed soon as sephiroth goes Cloud puts down his arm that was shielding him and looks around...tis all strange o.O |
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| svan81 | Dec 27 2005, 12:25 AM Post #623 |
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Anastar, I went to that Faith thing and I almost puked. But thanks for info, anyway. |
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| Materia Thief | Dec 27 2005, 12:26 AM Post #624 |
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Exactly. The sequence of events occurs like this: Cloud + Sephiroth: *talking/debating/arguing/whatever* Tifa: "CLOUD!" Cloud: *looks to the right of the screen, away from Sephiroth* *A FLASH OF LIGHT* Cloud: *blinded/in pain* Sephiroth: *a little bit more talking* If Sephiroth so wanted to blind Cloud, he could've done that a long time ago, perhaps when they first saw each other. Also, as I stated earlier, he's not one to use light as a power. This same light reappears when Tifa begins to fight Sephiroth. Cloud has an expression of pain and is weakend momentarily. |
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| Difinity | Dec 27 2005, 12:27 AM Post #625 |
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Aah, you have a point. But now that doesn't make sense. If the light that hurts, provided it does, Cloud is being emitted or cast by Tifa then when/if she offers her light to him, won't that put him in danger? |
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| Materia Thief | Dec 27 2005, 12:30 AM Post #626 |
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This is all theory, of course, but Tifa hasn't always been "good" for Cloud. Her voice distracts him from his conversation with Sephiroth. This could've easily been used as a chance for Sephiroth to stab him/do something of harm to him. This can even be drawn back to FFVII. Tifa tries her best to do what's "best" for Cloud, but it doesn't always end up to be the correct decision. Such as her hiding his past from him. |
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| Lesca | Dec 27 2005, 12:32 AM Post #627 |
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Unless it's maybe Tifa's OVER protectiveness thats like freezing him from fighting and causing him pain, cause she does try to take on Sephiroth on her own in the second and Cloud doesnt look pleased at her interfearing in both videos |
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| Anastar | Dec 27 2005, 12:34 AM Post #628 |
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That's what I'm getting at. The flashes of light don't seem to be doing Cloud any good. If anything, they're hurting him. Or at least, that's what it sounds like.
Okay, we've got another contradiction here. We heard another translation that Tifa says, "I'll give you my light" before casting it on him.
Sure. Isn't Ultima a form of light? And what's that other spell he casts as Safer Sephiroth? It's a form of light, but I can't think of the name. |
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| Velvy | Dec 27 2005, 12:36 AM Post #629 |
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According to the Livejournal Cloud x Tifa community, the light comes from within Cloud. Tifa says she'll give Cloud her light, but she doesn't, because Cloud discovers a light within himself or something... So Tifa is not Cloud's light. |
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| Materia Thief | Dec 27 2005, 12:37 AM Post #630 |
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Her overprotectiveness of him = the light? Perhaps, I can't quite be sure--that's why I'm waiting for official translations. Indeed, he doesn't look pleased either times she interferes with his actions. I'm not really quite sure what the light is, that's my problem. I don't think it's good (it causes Cloud pain, multiple times) and I don't think it's from Sephiroth (I can't seem him, with his characterization, using light as a weapon). However, I don't think Tifa's intending to use it in a manner that would hurt Cloud, I don't even think she's using it directly. But, I can't be quite sure, can I? ![]() When I first saw the video (the first meeting, not the Cloud vs. Sephy), I thought the light was her maybe teleporting or appearing, but that was proved wrong by the Cloud vs. Sephy video. ![]() EDIT-1:
I always saw Ultima more in the category of fire than light, but perhaps I'm wrong. But that raises the question, when he first starts fighting with Tifa, why does the light suddenly appear to Cloud? Why doesn't he do it to Tifa instead?
She doesn't cast magic in either of the videos. No praying motions, nothing. The light clearly looks like it's coming from himself. |
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Honestly, I don't even know what Tifa is DOING in Kingdom Hearts at all. It was fine before she was introduced; her being in this game at all has only confused things.



I still can't get the video to load. <_<



2:45 PM Jul 11