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Tifa In Kh2!; Confirmed
Topic Started: Dec 20 2005, 10:32 PM (19,356 Views)
Onigiri
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Dec 26 2005, 10:07 PM
Well, FFVII is my canon anyway. =]

Me too xD And now that I think about it, that is enough for me. I'm happy now. FF cameos and branches is just for the fans.
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Ally McBeal
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no no...AU'S..ARE ALSO GOOD..FOR SEE AERITH ALIVE.. :cleris:
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Ally McBeal
Dec 26 2005, 10:48 PM
no no...AU'S..ARE ALSO GOOD..FOR SEE AERITH ALIVE.. :cleris:

Yes, AUs are good. They're just animated doujinshis! *grin*
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If neither girl is Cloud light (which is what I would prefer if Aerith isn't his light. I'd rather die than have Tifa be Cloud's light) then the 'light' that Cloud is seeking is probably the strength to stand on his own two feet. Like Luna said, Cloud's always been drawing strength and light from Aerith. Maybe the realization that he is not alone, like he realized at the end of AC, is the 'light' that he is seeking. Cloud is always considered the lone wolf despite the fact that people desperately want to help him. (i.e. Aerith, Tifa, etc...) Poor boy can't get it through his head that he's NOT alone and that he has friends, family who will support him and help him.

Honestly, not because I'm a Cleris or anything, but it just makes more sense, logically, that Aerith is Cloud's light because she has always helped him pull out of the darkness and she is always represented by light and as light. She is always depicted as pure and good, holy, really. Tifa has never been depicted this way. Light, purity, innocence and holiness has always represented Aerith. She's always shown as someone who is very special.

*KH2 spoilers*
Why is it that only AERITH knows that the Hollow Bastion's original name was Radiant Garden? No one else remembers, but Aerith somehow does.
*End spoilers*

Just because Tifa is trying to help Cloud with her light doesn't mean that she IS his light. She wants to help him because he is her friend and she doesn't want him to die. Aerith obviously doesn't and I'm sure she'd do the same as well except CLOUD doesn't want Aerith to get involved because it's too dangerous. Tifa doesn't want Cloud to get hurt because she loves him; Aerith wants the same thing for him as well for the same reason. Cloud directed this same type of concern for ONE person: Aerith. He directly told her that he doesn't want her involved. He doesn't want her to get hurt.

As for Aerith telling Cloud that if he finds his light then he'll return to the Hollow Bastion. Perhaps Cloud's light will be Sephiroth's defeat. Who knows? After all, did he defeat Sephiroth in KH2? Do we know? No, we don't. (At least I don't.) If Sephiroth's defeat is indeed Cloud's light then he hasn't returned because he has yet to do so. And when he does, he'll come home. Who is he coming home to? AERITH. The way I see it, Aerith IS Cloud's light because Cloud has to defeat his darkness to find the light. He can't stay with Aerith while Sephiroth is out there so he has to defeat him, rid himself of his darkness to find the light. When Sephiroth is defeated, Cloud is free to go home to Aerith. More than likely Aerith is unaware that she is Cloud's light and Cloud probably is as well. When Sephiroth is defeated, they are free to be together and then they'll see that they ARE each other's light; Sephiroth's presence merely obscured their knowledge of that. :cleris:

Tifa is there to help, nothing more. Mere fanservice and Nomura's way of plugging AC.
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*applauses Difinity* J00 mah hero. Excellent explanation, you took the words right out of my mouth. :huggle:
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Difinity
Dec 26 2005, 10:58 PM
Honestly, not because I'm a Cleris or anything, but it just makes more sense, logically, that Aerith is Cloud's light because she has always helped him pull out of the darkness and she is always represented by light and as light. She is always depicted as pure and good, holy, really. Tifa has never been depicted this way. Light, purity, innocence and holiness has always represented Aerith. She's always shown as someone who is very special.

*KH2 spoilers*
[color=#white]Why is it that only AERITH knows that the Hollow Bastion's original name was Radiant Garden? No one else remembers, but Aerith somehow does.[/color]
*End spoilers*

Very good points, Difinity. I completely agree. I also don't see that Tifa's role in KH is anything like the role of other lights in KH, such as Kairi, Jasmine, Jane, Wendy, or Beauty. Kairi, Jasmine, Jane, Wendy, and Beauty didn't fight in the Colisseum. Kairi, Jasmine, Jane, Wendy, and Beauty weren't physically powerful. Cloud didn't search for Tifa. Why didn't Cloud search for her if she is his light? Why did Tifa search for Cloud?

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Just because Tifa is trying to help Cloud with her light doesn't mean that she IS his light. She wants to help him because he is her friend and she doesn't want him to die. Aerith obviously doesn't and I'm sure she'd do the same as well except CLOUD doesn't want Aerith to get involved because it's too dangerous. Tifa doesn't want Cloud to get hurt because she loves him; Aerith wants the same thing for him as well for the same reason. Cloud directed this same type of concern for ONE person: Aerith. He directly told her that he doesn't want her involved. He doesn't want her to get hurt.

I also don't remember Kairi, Jasmine, Jane, Wendy, or Beauty *casting* light on anyone. :whistle: However, Jiminy Cricket cast light on Pinocchio, which healed him, yet Gepetto was Pinocchio's light.

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As for Aerith telling Cloud that if he finds his light then he'll return to the Hollow Bastion.

Has this been confirmed that's what she says? I only heard one person quoted from Faith saying that, but I've heard the other translation numerous times.

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Tifa is there to help, nothing more. Mere fanservice and Nomura's way of plugging AC.

Agreed. That's the way I see it, too.
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Dec 26 2005, 11:19 PM
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As for Aerith telling Cloud that if he finds his light then he'll return to the Hollow Bastion.

Has this been confirmed that's what she says? I only heard one person quoted from Faith saying that, but I've heard the other translation numerous times.

I haven't heard of anything else but that's what they've quoted. So far, I'm not completely convinced if that's what she said. I haven't seen the other translations so this is all I know for now. But if that was really the case, then well, my explanation stands. :angel:

What I don't understand is if its believed that Tifa is Cloud's light WHERE was she in Kingdom Hearts!? Why is she only brought in NOW if she's so important? As far as I know, there's no explanation for her whereabouts in the original game. For all I know she could've just popped out of thin air, which is what it's beginning to look like. Last minute addition I say, just like in Final Fantasy VII. :whistle:
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Dec 26 2005, 07:37 PM
And another thing from Faith:

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Aerith: As long as our hearts are connected, we will be able to meet again.

Is NOT said when she is talking to Cloud. There's nothing about hearts or connections in this scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKly4rupww4 
Aeris tells Cloud that if he finds his light then he'll return to this place (Hollow Bastion), which he agrees to.

The original translation was Aerith saying this to Cloud: "As long as our hearts are connected, we will be able to meet again." That translation was repeated numerous times at Gamefaqs and at KHInsider. Then someone at Faith started claiming that translation was wrong, but I haven't seen that confirmed yet.

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What I don't understand is if its believed that Tifa is Cloud's light WHERE was she in Kingdom Hearts!?

Agreed. Also, why is she fighting in the Colisseum if she's Cloud's light? Other lights like Kairi, Jasmine, Wendy, Jane, and Beauty were all physically weak and incapable of fighting tournaments in the Colisseum.
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Lesca
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Has everyone seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=c2vqkKrEuJo I know it should go in the spoilers section but its so quiet there :hide: It's Cloud's first meeting with Sephiroth...they talk and then he goes poof o.o Tifa is in it too

Forgive me if i said anything spoilerish or if it's already been posted, hard to keep up with everything >_<
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is Faith?
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Dec 26 2005, 11:44 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but what is Faith?

Faith is the Cloti club at ACF. Devotion is the Cleris club at ACF. :wink:

Lesca, I can't tell if that's the same video we saw of Cloud, Sephiroth, and Tifa before coz it's not loading for me! *flail* Here's the one we saw before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk6h6BHx6M

Is it the same one? :unsure:
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I should really be staying out of this, but I just had to comment on that video.

Am I the only one who finds it funny that (seemingly, I'm not entirely sure what's going on) Tifa interrupts Cloud from his conversation and then, after Sephiroth disappears, Cloud runs from her? o_O;

And no, Anastar, it isn't. I'll try to write a summary of what happens, though. ^_^
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Dec 26 2005, 11:47 PM

Lesca, I can't tell if that's the same video we saw of Cloud, Sephiroth, and Tifa before coz it's not loading for me! *flail* Here's the one we saw before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk6h6BHx6M

Is it the same one? :unsure:

It's a different one, set before the one your talking about

and yes Materia I found that quite amusing as well xD he's too interested in chasing sephiroth
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Hehehe... well, if Cloud runs away from her, why are people trying to claim that she's his light? Doesn't that prove that he's not searching for her? :lmao:
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SUMMARY:

Basically, this starts off from the shot we have of Cloud and Leon back-to-back, they talk a little then break-off and start fighting off heartless. Cloud is then surrounded, but with one slash, Sephiroth a whole row of them (his sword is FRICKIN HUGE). Cloud goes all "GRRR, YOU!" and they face each other, both of their swords drawn. A conversation starts, which I'm prone to think is this one:

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Cloud: yeah, if I erase you, my darkness will be cleared
Seph: Possibly
Seph: The darkness came from your memories blahblah
Cloud: shut up
Seph: now you seek the past which you turned your back on
Seph: this time you're shining
Cloud: I don't get you
Tifa: Cloud!
(light blinds Cloud)
Seph: You surely understand. I am you.
Tifa: Cloud, wait!


Regardless, a voice (Tifa's) calls Cloud's name and he looks to the side to see where it's coming from and is then blinded by a flash of light (if he didn't look to the side, he wouldn't have been blinded. XD). Sephiroth says a few more things and then (quite literally) sparkles away in a haze of black feathers and sparkles. Cloud looks ticked and then runs off. Tifa is still left running after him calling after him (he's gone by now. XD;;) and is then surrounded by heartless, which she fights off.


There's more, but I didn't watch it completely as it moves on to Sora.

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Hehehe... well, if Cloud runs away from her, why are people trying to claim that she's his light? Doesn't that prove that he's not searching for her?


Exactly! From what I saw, she was more of a nuisance to Cloud. (I'M SO SORRY TIFA, I LOVE YOU ANYWAY?! :tifa: :wub:)

* She interrupts his conversation, which he seems intent on, by calling his name and the resulting flash of light.
* He runs from her (I'm assuming towards Sephiroth), not waiting for her or even acknowledging her, leaving her behind to fight off a bunch of heartless.

I see no affection from him, at all, towards her. He's much more intent on Sephiroth than anything/anyone else.

EDIT-2: And just a little side note, after watching the Cloud x Sephiroth fight, it seems like the flashes of light that occur from Tifa pain Cloud. And the way he looks, i.e. facial expression, actions (although I don't have translations or anything), show more annoyance than anything when she arrives o_O;

The light he finds and that empowers him isn't from her--it's from himself.
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