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Tifa In Kh2!; Confirmed
Topic Started: Dec 20 2005, 10:32 PM (19,357 Views)
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Count on Aly to ease the worries. :wub: :wub: *worships* :lol:

But, you guys have to chill. Things look in a little grim in perspective, but remember when AC was still coming out. We were worried then, but AC didn't turn out to be a cloti nightmare like some of us feared. Plus, the sudden 'hate'(for lack of a better term >.>) on Nomura is a little unnerving. I'm upset with a few of his choices too, but I don't think Nomura is entirely at fault. He probably has groups of people who he works with wanting this and that out of KH2. 'Nomura, lets add billions of FF character even though they are not important to the plot of KH2!', 'Nomura, let's complicate what the gamers thought at the end of KH1!!, etc... I don't think Nomura is entirely all to blame, nor does he deserve this much backlash. :ermm:
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Come on stop worrying over nothing I will N.E.V.E.R believe anything Cloti and in KH2 this is no exception. Tifa would of been in KH1 if she was so important, yes i've watched the videos and that and i can honestly say she's just helping him out as a friend would. I think someone mentioned Tifa lending him her light or something? lights goodness right? so she's just giving him the power of good to defeat the evil sephy, HIS own light is with Aerith and shall always be WITH Aerith. Dont ever loose hope on Cleris Nomura said about them in KH1 they have been together in more than one game, Tifa hasnt been in any scans with them, Cloud's main storyline evolves around himself Sephiroth and Aerith, he's connected to the both of them, Sephiroth his darkness, Aerith his light, while Tifa is a friend who doesnt want to see him die, so please dont worry guys Cleris remains true forever!

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While most of this news is unfortunate, you still can't infer that Aerith isn't Cloud's light simply because she said that she hopes Cloud finds his light. Unless there is reasonable evidence to suggest that Aerith would know who Cloud's light is, then the burden of proof must be met by Cloud himself discovering who the light is. Aerith might not know that she is Cloud's light.

I miss Sakaguchi.
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Uhh, just want to say a something here.

If Cloud is searching for Tifa and that's his light, how come he's running away from her?

I still want to know what's Cloud's light...no? :/ Even though it's hinted in so many games already...

----KH is still Sora's story so I think the LT won't resolute but hint at it...
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Lesca
Dec 26 2005, 09:17 PM
Come on stop worrying over nothing I will N.E.V.E.R believe anything Cloti and in KH2 this is no exception. Tifa would of been in KH1 if she was so important, yes i've watched the videos and that and i can honestly say she's just helping him out as a friend would. I think someone mentioned Tifa lending him her light or something? lights goodness right? so she's just giving him the power of good to defeat the evil sephy, HIS own light is with Aerith and shall always be WITH Aerith. Dont ever loose hope on Cleris Nomura said about them in KH1 they have been together in more than one game, Tifa hasnt been in any scans with them, Cloud's main storyline evolves around himself Sephiroth and Aerith, he's connected to the both of them, Sephiroth his darkness, Aerith his light, while Tifa is a friend who doesnt want to see him die, so please dont worry guys Cleris remains true forever!

:cleris:

I agree with you, Lesca. Nicely said. :cheer:

In the first place, we don't have a full translation yet. We also have different translations that contradict one another. We have Aerith saying in one translation that as long as Cloud and Aerith's hearts remain connected, that they will meet again. We have in another translation Aerith saying that Cloud needs to find his light. We have in one translation Tifa saying, "She will give him her light", and in another translation, we have Tifa saying, "I'll give him my light".

Let's find out which translation is correct before panicking. I still say there's no reason to think that Tifa is Cloud's light for one major reason: None of the other Lights in KH fight in the Colisseum!!!!

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If Cloud is searching for Tifa and that's his light, how come he's running away from her?

Exactly. There's no indication that Cloud's searching for Tifa. Tifa was searching for Cloud, not vice versa.
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Good Lord, I'm converting to CloTi.

... rather wouldn't, actually.

Took me ages to catch up on this thread, and I was worried at first, yes. But what's the problem? We know that Aerith isn't Cloud's light! Well, I did at least- in Final Mix she tells Sora that she's not his light, Sephiroth is. I always figured that Aerith was the person he was searching for so that he could get his light back. The light is not a person! The light is not an object! The light is purely metaphorical! It's like the way in AC he had to rid himself of guilt before he can be all happy (as happy as Cloud can be, anyway) once more. So rather than being his light she gives him his light. Make sense?

Tifa might very well help Cloud get this light of his back by using her own. So? We all remember the Lifestream thingamajig where she gives Cloud back his memories thus helping him in FFVII-verse. Yup. Whatever Tifa does, it sure as Hell ain't metaphorical though, and others have mentioned she doesn't fit the bill.

Calm down. Nothing's changed- Tifa's just there to erm, get in the way!
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Dec 26 2005, 09:42 PM
We know that Aerith isn't Cloud's light! Well, I did at least- in Final Mix she tells Sora that she's not his light, Sephiroth is.

Where in the world did you hear that? That's not true. I can't find my copy of it right now, but it went something like this:

Aerith: Have you seen a spikey haired guy in the Colisseum?
Aerith: If you see him, please tell him that someone is after him.
Aerith: Please tell him to take care because many of us will be unhappy if he is harmed.


Then, when Cloud finds Sephiroth in the Colisseum, this is their conversation:

Sephiroth I was searching for you too.
Cloud As long as you exist, I can't wake from this nightmare.
Cloud:You are my DARKNESS
Sephiroth (gesturing widely) If that's so, I shall draw you into the darkness. Into the nightmare that forever deprives you of light, from which you can never awaken.


Sephiroth is his Darkness, not his light.

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I always figured that Aerith was the person he was searching for so that he could get his light back. The light is not a person! The light is not an object! The light is purely metaphorical! It's like the way in AC he had to rid himself of guilt before he can be all happy (as happy as Cloud can be, anyway) once more. So rather than being his light she gives him his light. Make sense?

I agree that the Light is metaphorical, but people are lights in KH1. Kairi is Sora's light, isn't she?
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Dec 26 2005, 09:56 PM
Where in the world did you hear that? That's not true. I can't find my copy of it right now, but it went something like this:

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Where in the world did you hear that? That's not true. I can't find my copy of it right now, but it went something like this:


Hmm, I never had Final Mix myself, because y'know my PS2 doesn't do imports and there was no EU version, so this is what I was told. I can't remember where on Earth I heard it, but the source seemed pretty reliable. Hmm, if it isn't true then... yay?

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I agree that the Light is metaphorical, but people are lights in KH1. Kairi is Sora's light, isn't she?


Yeeah. Fair enough, my theory fails. Oh well.
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but if he beats sephirot..this darkness can tunr into ligth

nomura knows what's he's doing??? :unsure:
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Okay, mainly one person is responsible for all this. Its not that, once Sakaguchi leaves, all of SE contradicts its previous works. Its that Nomura gave it the go (or even suggested it) for the 'cloti' of today. I say, old = Clerith, new = Cloti =/

Well, it seems like that anyway. Rather than its because Sakaguchi left, but maybe also because Nomura is getting too much power, and he really likes to include AC in it all, probably would put Vincent in it too if there wasn't DC.

Now that I think about it more, I'm thinking Tifa IS lending her light, but its that the 'light' that he is looking for is in himself...but then, the purpose of Tifa, why she's looking for Cloud, I don't know........And the flash of light. yeah. ...
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Dec 26 2005, 10:02 PM
but if he beats sephirot..this darkness can tunr into ligth

nomura knows what's he's doing??? :unsure:

Sephiroth is not Cloud's light o.O....Light and dark are two different things. If Cloud defeated Sephiroth it only means its banishing the darkness sephiroth holds over him...
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Dec 26 2005, 10:04 PM
Okay, mainly one person is responsible for all this. Its not that, once Sakaguchi leaves, all of SE contradicts its previous works. Its that Nomura gave it the go (or even suggested it) for the 'cloti' of today. I say, old = Clerith, new = Cloti =/

Well, it seems like that anyway. Rather than its because Sakaguchi left, but maybe also because Nomura is getting too much power, and he really likes to include AC in it all, probably would put Vincent in it too if there wasn't DC.

Now that I think about it more, I'm thinking Tifa IS lending her light, but its that the 'light' that he is looking for is in himself...but then, the purpose of Tifa, why she's looking for Cloud, I don't know........And the flash of light. yeah. ...

Yeah, even the CloTi's have been pointing out that even though Tifa offers her light, Cloud lights up of his own accord.

Actually, the CloTi's are being pretty civil about this. No big f_w, other than comments like Aerith=/=light.

Well, FFVII is my canon anyway. =]
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Hehe. I think Tifa's "light" is Zack, but I'll just shut up and stop being a delusional fangirl. :D

It's clear that Tifa is not as dependent on others as Cloud is for the supply of "light" she possesses. She has light of her own and hasn't completely lost sight of it, and even has enough so that she can give some of it to Cloud. He, on the other hand, gets his light from Aerith, as was made perfectly clear in KH1, and still counts on her support to carry him through. I think that Tifa believes he should be able to take care of himself, rather than counting on Aerith for strength (such quotes as "Have we lost out to our memories?" are suggestive enough of that). This is shown when Tifa tries to help him in the battle. She seems to think he is losing because he doesn't have the proper amount of "light," but he proves her wrong and actually protects HER from Sephiroth, rather than the opposite. I think Tifa's appearance is actually a representation of the fact that Cloud wants to prove to the world that he does have light in him, and it comes from the girl who has supported him all along--Aerith. Tifa is doubtful at first, but realizes in the end that Cloud's thoughts on where his light should lie (in the closest of friends) are, in fact, more accurate than her own thoughts that the heart should be independent when seeking light. In this way, Kingdom Hearts is very parallel to Advent Children, since in the movie Cloud eventually drew light from his "family," or the AVALANCHE team, the children, and ultimately the "mother" of all his light--who else? Aerith. :aeris:

If she wasn't in the game, I don't think this message would be nearly as strong, and Cloud and Aerith's relationship wouldn't be as emphasized. After all, Nomura himself said that the purpose of Cloud and Aerith's appearances was for players to learn more about the nature of their relationship. Tifa interacting with them is just a bonus point for that. So go Tifa. You have been officially added to Luna's list of Cleris cupids. :cleris:
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Dec 26 2005, 10:02 PM
but if he beats sephirot..this darkness can tunr into ligth

nomura knows what's he's doing??? :unsure:

Hmmm... interesting thought. Did Ansem turn into Sora's light when Sora defeated him, though?

One line that I noticed in the last translation that Aerith kun quoted a few pages back:

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Cloud: yeah, if I erase you, my darkness will be cleared
Seph: Possibly
Seph: The darkness came from your memories blahblah
Cloud: shut up
Seph: now you seek the past which you turned your back on
Seph: this time you're shining
Cloud: I don't get you
Tifa: Cloud!
(light blinds Cloud)
Seph: You surely understand. I am you.
Tifa: Cloud, wait!

If anything, it sounds like the light comes from Sephiroth because Sephiroth says, "This time you're shining" before the light blinds Cloud.

Then Sephiroth says, "I am you". Why would Cloud be Sephiroth? They both have Jenova cells, and so they are in a sense related. Rufus said in FFVII that Cloud was the anti-thesis of Sephiroth, but Hojo said that Cloud was a failed Sephiroth clone. Hmmm...

I think there's much more to this than we understand yet.
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Dec 26 2005, 10:13 PM

Then Sephiroth says, "I am you". Why would Cloud be Sephiroth? They both have Jenova cells, and so they are in a sense related. Rufus said in FFVII that Cloud was the anti-thesis of Sephiroth, but Hojo said that Cloud was a failed Sephiroth clone. Hmmm...

I think there's much more to this than we understand yet.

Unless maybe Sephiroth is trying to gain control of Cloud by fusing with him...but yeah I think there is more to it than meets the eye
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