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What Is "important"?
Topic Started: Nov 11 2005, 02:23 PM (856 Views)
Shiva
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Nov 12 2005, 09:31 AM
Let's see...Sephiroth asks Cloud what it is that's most important to him. The first person who jumps to mind is Aerith. How on earth does this have anything to do with the past, the future, or who was taken away first or last? I could almost go with this, Wilhelm...but then again, Aerith appeared before Zack. IF it was to show a sequence of who was taken away and who now could be taken away, then Zack would have appeared before Aerith. That's not how it was though. ^^;


Exactly. :D When Sephiroth demands to know what is most precious to Cloud, the one that immediately popped into Cloud's mind was Aerith. I think that this shows who is foremost in Cloud's mind now and always. :cleris:
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Clerith-son
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I think, it doesn't matter who appeared first, or who appeared last. I think that scene means, what he said "He cares for everything". There's no need to twist it into Cloti, or into Cleris.
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lilixtrixee
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Exactly.  When Sephiroth demands to know what is most precious to Cloud, the one that immediately popped into Cloud's mind was Aerith. I think that this shows who is foremost in Cloud's mind now and always. 





i think it is true...good sense, FF_Goddess!


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Kusari Yarou
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I think, it doesn't matter who appeared first, or who appeared last. I think that scene means, what he said "He cares for everything".

Well yeah, in some anime or movies, the last person is the most important.

But I can't help thinking...Cloud was in a life-or-death situation here and he had no time to sort out his thoughts...yet the first person he saw was Aerith...and he thought about her more than he thought about Tifa... :P
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lalagirl
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when i think of the things that are important for me... erm... the most important thing usually comes out first... :whistle:

and i asked several people... and yeah... the most important one always comes first...

and.. erm.. the important ones that they tend to forget... come last... the ones that appear last are usually the ones whom you still have to really think about just so you can remember that they're important to you too...

so i think cloud's trail of thoughts was kinda like this:

"important? aeris... aeris... AERIS!! vincent.. barret.. marlene.. denzel...erm... who else? yuffie, cait sith.... did i say aeris? erm.... red.... darn it... i know i'm forgetting someone here.... oh yah!! i remember now... tifa!!!" :lol:

*sigh* but if the clotis still insist that the last one shown is the most important.. then... tell them that the last one to help cloud in that big jump thingy so that he could fight bahamut was aeris.... ^_^
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Hades' Daughter
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It has to be in chronological order now or it doesn't make sense?


Sephiroth was wondering what it is that's most important to Cloud. Unless he asked Cloud what was taken from him and what may be taken away as well, I assume Cloud's thoughts are exactly just that: what it is that's most important to him. Aerith appeared first. :D

Generally speaking, what comes to mind first is most important. Take it as you want. I see it as something very Clerisy.

Clerith-son:
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I think, it doesn't matter who appeared first, or who appeared last. I think that scene means, what he said "He cares for everything". There's no need to twist it into Cloti, or into Cleris.


We're not saying he only cares for one or the other. He cares for everything, true. However, Aerith was first and foremost on his mind, that's all. :cleris:
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wilhelm
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Nov 13 2005, 09:25 AM
Sephiroth was wondering what it is that's most important to Cloud.

"What's most important to you? I'd like the pleasure of take it away from you."

Then threatens to take it away from him. It's some absurb jump of logic to assume that, seeing as someone has just said they want to take the things he values from him, he might possibly be thinking about that as well?
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Shiva
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Nov 13 2005, 06:52 PM
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Nov 13 2005, 09:25 AM
Sephiroth was wondering what it is that's most important to Cloud.

"What's most important to you? I'd like the pleasure of take it away from you."

Then threatens to take it away from him. It's some absurb jump of logic to assume that, seeing as someone has just said they want to take the things he values from him, he might possibly be thinking about that as well?

But, two of the images in Cloud's mind were flashbacks- Aerith praying at the altar and Zack in the truck with Cloud. Sephiroth took Aerith away from Cloud. But, did he take Zack away from Cloud? No, that was Shinra. So, why would you think that Cloud is thinking of those that Sephiroth has already taken from him when Zack is not included in that? It just makes more sense to me that Cloud is reacting to the question "What is most precious to you?" by thinking of those most precious to him now and always, rather than Sephiroth's statement of "Let me have the pleasure of taking it from you" because Sephiroth didn't take Zack from Cloud at all.

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Roseyrosho
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What Cloud is thinking is simply what is most important to him and like Aerith kun said:
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First of all, the first appearing isnīt Aerith, but Cloud and Aerithīs hands holding. Second is Aerith praying, I think O.o. Then Zack, and after other time Aerith appearing before Cloud during the Bahamut fight... The last are ONE of Tifa alone and then one of Marlene, Denzel, and the photo with the three...
Iīm curious because this part shows clearly Cleris to me. Tifa isnīt with Cloud during any of this memories, but Aerith is in two of them with him. She is the only person who appears with Cloud ALONE. I see it like an intimate moment between them. I think Cloud sees it of this form...
On the other hand, Tifa appears with the rest of the "little family" mambers, which indicates for me that Cloud sees her like a "family" member. He doesnīt hold any memory of him being together with Tifa.


I agree in all the scenes...Cloud ses himself with Aerith in some way...cuz that's what he WANTS!!

Cloud considers the things most important to him in this order: Love, friends, and Family....as we all know Tifa to Cloud will never be nothing more than a sister...(and like such annoys the hell outta him :whistle: ) Zack was his best friend and well Aerith...DUH!! his Life's love :cleris:
all this in my POV anyway :lol:

lalagirl
Nov 13 2005, 08:18 AM
when i think of the things that are important for me... erm... the most important thing usually comes out first...  :whistle:

and i asked several people... and yeah... the most important one always comes first...

and.. erm.. the important ones that they tend to forget... come last... the ones that appear last are usually the ones whom you still have to really think about just so you can remember that they're important to you too...

so i think cloud's trail of thoughts was kinda like this:

"important? aeris... aeris... AERIS!! vincent.. barret.. marlene.. denzel...erm... who else? yuffie, cait sith.... did i say aeris? erm.... red.... darn it... i know i'm forgetting someone here.... oh yah!! i remember now... tifa!!!"  :lol:

*sigh* but if the clotis still insist that the last one shown is the most important.. then... tell them that the last one to help cloud in that big jump thingy so that he could fight bahamut was aeris.... ^_^

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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wilhelm
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Nov 13 2005, 08:47 PM
But, did he take Zack away from Cloud?

He is still something that was taken away from him, regardless of who was responsible for it. I only meant things taken away in general, as those first images are, not things Sephiroth specifically took.
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Roseyrosho
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but Sephiroth is not asking what was taken...he's asking what's most precious to him and ovbiously first thing that comes to mind...AERITH!! :fist:
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Wilhelm:
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"What's most important to you? I'd like the pleasure of take it away from you."


So Sephiroth is asking Cloud what it is that's most important to him because he'd like to take it away from him. I don't see your point. The question is still "what's most important to you?" Aerith still comes to mind first. ^^;
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True Serenity
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Wow. Of course they had to put Tifa in there, since she is a dear friend of his. I know many people would be surprised to see if she wasn't one of them, from a Cloti or a Cleris. It doesn't matter which order they're in, he just finds all of those people most precious to him. And, of course, Aeris comes up 2 times, then along comes the Cleris scene ^_^
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Roseyrosho
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I think it was 3.....I'm pretty sure....let's see...the hand reach...Aerith praying....ahhhh I'm missing something......AH YES!!!!

Her reflection in his eyes :cleris:

*feels stoopid since it's in her own avi :blush: *

see? what ever the order Aerith appears 3 times while Tifa 1 and a half :whistle:

AND Cloud is in TWO of the Aerith references with Aerith herself ....while he's not with tifa on any....
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