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What Is "important"?
Topic Started: Nov 11 2005, 02:23 PM (853 Views)
Rui
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Something I saw on one of the FF7 forums (forgot which one).

A CloTi argued that the scene where Sephiroth asks Cloud, after stabbing him
in the shoulder, " What is most important to you? Can you give the happiness of stealing it from you?"
With his words, Clouds gets mad and shows flashbacks of Aerith, the hand reaching scene, then to Tifa and etc.

She(...or he, I don't know) states that this scene clearly shows what is most important to Cloud. Which is Tifa and the orphans than Aerith. Because if Aerith were to be most important, then she would have appeared last in the flashbacks scenes. That means that he got over Aerith and wants to be more with Tifa.

I found this quite ridiculous knowing that after that scene Cloud
clearly states that there is "Nothing that is unimportant to him."
Weird... <_<

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Aerith_kun
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This Cloti argument sounds really desperate for me ^^U

First of all, the first appearing isnīt Aerith, but Cloud and Aerithīs hands holding. Second is Aerith praying, I think O.o. Then Zack, and after other time Aerith appearing before Cloud during the Bahamut fight... The last are ONE of Tifa alone and then one of Marlene, Denzel, and the photo with the three...
Iīm curious because this part shows clearly Cleris to me. Tifa isnīt with Cloud during any of this memories, but Aerith is in two of them with him. She is the only person who appears with Cloud ALONE. I see it like an intimate moment between them. I think Cloud sees it of this form...
On the other hand, Tifa appears with the rest of the "little family" mambers, which indicates for me that Cloud sees her like a "family" member. He doesnīt hold any memory of him being together with Tifa.
And the image which he saves of Aerith is when he saw her for the last time, before she had died :cry: ... So if it proves Cloti... well... :angel:
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afterglow
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^ Yeah. Despearate...and shallow. What does "order of appearance" have to do with who Cloud values more??? <_<
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Shiva
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Okay, if you were dying, or in a situation where you might die, would you think of a bunch of other people and then the one most important to you? Or would you immediately think of the one most precious to you? I think the answer is obvious. And the fact that Zack appears before Tifa is hilarious. So, Zack is more precious to Cloud than Tifa??? :lmao: :devil:

So, yeah, this argument is shallow at best and easily countered.
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If you look at it from another point of view (focusing more on Sephiroth's threat to steal it away from him), the first images are things that have already been taken away from him in the past, and the last ones are things that could be taken away from him now.

Though isn't bringing up which one appears first showing how important it is just the same basic arguement as bringing up who appears last? ^^;
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Anti-R
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But Aerith talking to Cloud back to back and the hand reach happened present time... unless I missed something...

More importantly, Tifa and Marlene smiling independantly happens to be the part where Cloud WAS NOT EVEN THERE. Weird... is it implying he has clairvoyance?
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wilhelm
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Nov 11 2005, 07:36 PM
But Aerith talking to Cloud back to back and the hand reach happened present time... unless I missed something...

More importantly, Tifa and Marlene smiling independantly happens to be the part where Cloud WAS NOT EVEN THERE. Weird... is it implying he has clairvoyance?

Image of the things that were taken away in the past, I meant. Not strictly events that happened in the past.
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Lynn
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Rui
Nov 11 2005, 02:23 PM
I found this quite ridiculous knowing that after that scene Cloud clearly states that there is "Nothing that is unimportant to him." Weird... <_<

Exactly. You can count the number of times a person appears/doesn't appear, whether the first scene or the last scene is most important, etc. -- but I think trying to look too deeply into it causes us to miss the main point of that scene in the first place.

And that is that there is nothing unimportant to Cloud. All those people are important to him, and even those who are already dead remain so years later.

wilhelm
 
If you look at it from another point of view (focusing more on Sephiroth's threat to steal it away from him), the first images are things that have already been taken away from him in the past, and the last ones are things that could be taken away from him now.

It's something along the lines of showing the important things that had been taken away from him, and the important things that could be taken away from him... right? I sometimes look at it that way too.

But either way, it shows that Aerith and Zack are still important to Cloud, even after death. ^_^
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They could show important things that could have been taken away from him, and then followed by important things that had been taken away from him, couldn't they?

So perhaps both wilhelm and FFG are right, in the sense that there is a double meaning to the sequence :peace:
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Rui
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Exactly!!! Since when does the order of appearance equals to what is most important? Really, those CloTis must be desperate... <_<
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If you look at it from another point of view (focusing more on Sephiroth's threat to steal it away from him), the first images are things that have already been taken away from him in the past, and the last ones are things that could be taken away from him now.

Though isn't bringing up which one appears first showing how important it is just the same basic arguement as bringing up who appears last? ^^;


Let's see...Sephiroth asks Cloud what it is that's most important to him. The first person who jumps to mind is Aerith. How on earth does this have anything to do with the past, the future, or who was taken away first or last? I could almost go with this, Wilhelm...but then again, Aerith appeared before Zack. IF it was to show a sequence of who was taken away and who now could be taken away, then Zack would have appeared before Aerith. That's not how it was though. ^^;

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She(...or he, I don't know) states that this scene clearly shows what is most important to Cloud. Which is Tifa and the orphans than Aerith. Because if Aerith were to be most important, then she would have appeared last in the flashbacks scenes. That means that he got over Aerith and wants to be more with Tifa.


It's been argued that the last thing you think of before you die leaves the most impression. However, these aren't flashbacks Cloud is having before he dies. They're the answers to the question of what it is that's most important to him.

Generally speaking, the first thing to jump to mind would be most important. :wink:

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Nov 12 2005, 09:31 AM
...but then again, Aerith appeared before Zack. IF it was to show a sequence of who was taken away and who now could be taken away, then Zack would have appeared before Aerith. That's not how it was though. ^^;


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You are teh genius sista wuv! :wub:

I overlooked this (because frankly speaking, I haven't thought about the sequence to mean past and present events :lol: )

I missed Anti-R's post earlier:
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But Aerith talking to Cloud back to back and the hand reach happened present time... unless I missed something...

More importantly, Tifa and Marlene smiling independantly happens to be the part where Cloud WAS NOT EVEN THERE. Weird... is it implying he has clairvoyance?

:lmao: Cloud is psychic!!! :ghost:
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I dont think Tifa is MORE important than Aerith...There are a lot of reasons why...if we could look at the positive side for Clerith and negative for Cloti...there is a spark.

Like for ex., Cloud cares for Aerith in many reasons...did Cloud even showed a smile to Tifa? No....not even at his party. He DID smiled and even LAUGHED when Aerith's there. Another is...Cloud opens more to Aerith than Tifa...I cant tell any, im to tired to type anyway, just encouraging. But I believe that Aerith is MORE IMPORTANT than TIFA in many reasons, including his body language. :D
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Honestly, what I think? We must listen to Cloud and not dig too deep into things. ^^; He says that everything is important, so we can all assume that he cherishes them all, in some way. What way is up to interpretation. Nothing to fuss about. ^^;
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Nov 12 2005, 10:31 AM
Let's see...Sephiroth asks Cloud what it is that's most important to him.

So he can have the pleasure of taking it from him.

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The first person who jumps to mind is Aerith.  How on earth does this have anything to do with the past, the future, or who was taken away first or last?

Because the images that appear first ARE things that have been taken away from him, regardless of what sequence they appear in.

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I could almost go with this, Wilhelm...but then again, Aerith appeared before Zack.  IF it was to show a sequence of who was taken away and who now could be taken away, then Zack would have appeared before Aerith.

It has to be in chronological order now or it doesn't make sense?
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