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Ultimania Relationship Chart And Scans; <3
Topic Started: Oct 17 2005, 06:35 PM (2,601 Views)
Love Blossom
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Very cool info! :D I must admit, I'm alittle overwelmed by it all...All this FF7 stuff. SE's milking it!

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Daga15
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its extrange: aeris loves zack but zack doesnt feel NOTHING?? maybe its because he is dead in the begining of the game so he cant feel nothing for her...and about aeris- cloud, tifa-cloud,both of them loved him but cloud seems he only felt friendship. I agree with aerith-kun!! tifa and cloud are friends, but aeris and clouds friendship could become love!!

something funny: sephiroth and aeris dont :o hate each other!in fact, they dont feel anything!
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Anti-R
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its extrange: aeris loves zack but zack doesnt feel NOTHING?? maybe its because he is dead in the begining of the game so he cant feel nothing for her...


Not sure... I mean Jessie died, but her line to Cloud is quite secure.

Anyways:

Glad to know the name of Barret's wife (Mina) and Dyne's wife is Elenor
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Digital Holocaust
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Mina is a cute name, thanks for letting us know Anti-R. :)
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Kaldea
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Wasn't it Myrna in FFVII or something like that?
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Oct 18 2005, 11:42 PM
Wasn't it Myrna in FFVII or something like that?

Yes, I remember it being Myrna too... Can anyone clarify this?
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Lynn
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Yep, it's Myrna originally:

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Barret: Listen, Dyne. I don't want my wife, Myrna, to suffer anymore.

Although it could be like the whole Shera/Sierra thing.

Clorith
 
It's nice how Cloud's arrow to Aerith says he's her bodyguard, thus showing that he's extremely protective over her, but the arrow with Tifa just says they're "childhood friends". :lmao:

I thought so too! It's great that the whole "bodyguard" subplot wasn't just forgotten in the game in the light of Sephiroth and all the other developments.

Anastar
 
I still say the orange lines mean something like "cares about". Then the chart would indicate that Cloud cares about both Aerith and Tifa. It just wouldn't specify in what way Cloud cares about each of them.

I agree that the orange lines are general "care about" relationships, such as the ones between Barret and Marlene and Elmyra and Aerith. They're certainly not antagonistic, but more like general relationships, with the little footnotes on each arrow to explain further.

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something funny: sephiroth and aeris dont  hate each other!in fact, they dont feel anything!

Indeed, Aerith was just an inconvenience to him. :sweat:
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Sephiroth and Aerith not hating one another doesn't surprise me at all. I never thought that Sephiroth hated Aerith. He just got rid of her because she was capable of blocking his goals. I also think he did it because it would hurt Cloud. After all, killing Aerith actually helped her summon Holy, so why else would Sephiroth kill her? And why else would Sephiroth wait for Cloud to get there before killing Aerith? Sephiroth arrived before Cloud got there.

Also, Aerith simply hated what Sephiroth wanted to do to the Planet. She never expressed hatred for him as a person, though.

It also doesn't surprise me that Zack felt nothing for Aerith. Aerith always said that he was a ladies man, and she thought that he had found another girlfriend. That shows that Aerith wasn't very confident about his feelings for her. I rather like it - doesn't the idea that Zack felt nothing for Aerith destroy the idea of Zeris? :lmao:

Also, why isn't there a pink line from Cloud to Tifa if he used to have a crush on her? Aerith shows a pink line to Zack, since he was her first love. If Cloud used to have a crush on Tifa, shouldn't there be a "first love" pink line between he and Tifa, too? I disputed whether or not Cloud actually had a crush on Tifa as a child in this thread: A Crush on Tifa? The relationship chart either indicates that Cloud never did have a crush on Tifa as a child, OR that his feelings had no importance. The relationship chart seems to have thrown the idea of Cloud's childhood crush on Tifa out the window. :lmao:
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It also doesn't surprise me that Zack felt nothing for Aerith. Aerith always said that he was a ladies man, and she thought that he had found another girlfriend. That shows that Aerith wasn't very confident about his feelings for her. I rather like it - doesn't the idea that Zack felt nothing for Aerith destroy the idea of Zeris?

...You know, I wanted to say that the same could be said for Cloud to Aerith-- a pink arrow from Aerith to Cloud, but none pointing back-- thereby indicating a similar conclusion can be made about Cleris.

But upon checking the chart once more, I just realised there's NOTHING from Zack to Aerith. Not even a general orange arrow saying 'former boyfriend/girlfriend' or anything like that. And considering they took the time to note Jessie's crush on Cloud, something arguably less important than Zack and Aerith's relationship...

Whereas Cloud gets a 'bodyguard' arrow pointed to Aerith! Even though it was only brought up, what? Twice in the whole game?

Hmmmm. :shifty:

Moral of the story? Don't try to argue with Anastar. :bow:

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The relationship chart either indicates that Cloud never did have a crush on Tifa as a child, OR that his feelings had no importance. The relationship chart seems to have thrown the idea of Cloud's childhood crush on Tifa out the window. 

I can't even buy the idea that it wasn't 'important' enough to note. Look at all the other comparatively less important relationships that the chart did note: Jessie's crush on Cloud, Rude's crush on Tifa (the arrow for which took a looooong route, but it's still there!), Elena's crush on Tseng-- all these don't play nearly as important a role in the plot as Cloud's childhood crush on Tifa, yet they're there.

Heck, they included his bodyguard deal with Aerith, and I'd say that gets much less mention in the game then his and Tifa's childhood together.

There's plenty of empty space above Cloud's box. I'm sure it wouldn't have been any trouble to put in one teeny arrow about his very important crush on Tifa that, apparently to some people, is his driving force throughout the game. And yet there's none. Curiously.

...Although I still believe he had a childhood crush on Tifa. :P But this chart does get you thinking.
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Oct 19 2005, 01:13 PM
I can't even buy the idea that it wasn't 'important' enough to note. Look at all the other comparatively less important relationships that the chart did note: Jessie's crush on Cloud, Rude's crush on Tifa (the arrow for which took a looooong route, but it's still there!), Elena's crush on Tseng-- all these don't play nearly as important a role in the plot as Cloud's childhood crush on Tifa, yet they're there.

Actually, it was never said in the game that Cloud had a childhood crush on Tifa. That's only an interpretation of two sentences said by Cloud during the Lifestream Event. When examined, those statements by Cloud may only be referring to his guilt that he let her fall at the bridge rather than meaning he had a crush on her. If he had a crush on her, why did Tifa have to ask Cloud three times before he agreed to the Promise? If he really had a crush on Tifa, I think he would've jumped at the opportunity, especially since Aerith only had to offer him a Date to do essentially the same thing. :lmao:

Lynn
 
Heck, they included his bodyguard deal with Aerith, and I'd say that gets much less mention in the game then his and Tifa's childhood together.

The idea of Cloud being Aerith's bodyguard actually came up way more often than anything about a "childhood crush" on Tifa. As I said before, there are only two sentences that can be interpreted to mean that Cloud had a crush on Tifa, and those sentences may actually be referring to his guilt over letting her fall at the bridge.

There were many more references to Cloud being Aerith's bodyguard. Aerith asked him to be her bodyguard in the Church, and he agreed. Cloud rescued her from the Turks in the Church, too. Then Cloud flirted with Aerith about being her bodyguard in the Shinra jail, and Aerith reminded him about the Date. Cloud helped Aerith escape from Hojo's lab, the Shinra building, and rescued her from the Turks in the Church as her bodyguard. Cloud went to see Elmyra in order to figure out how to help Aerith when she was captured by the Shinra. He also said that he was there for Aerith in Cosmo Canyon. He also went to help her in the Forgotten City. Cloud's protection of Aerith as well as their Date all comes under the idea of him being a bodyguard.

Cloud also said as they approached the Northern Crater that he was fighting for a "personal memory". The passage from Prelude of Maiden Over the Star seems to indicate that the "personal memory" was Aerith. Cloud also mentioned that Aerith was one of the reasons he was going after Sephiroth after Aerith's death in the Forgotten City. Once Bugenhagen explained the workings of Holy to Cloud in Disk Two, Cloud vowed to Aerith that he would "do the rest". Cloud also said that he wanted to free Aerith's spirit from Sephiroth's control as they headed to the Northern Crater. So Cloud continued to protect Aerith's spirit even after her death, as well as helping Aerith cast Holy. So the idea of him being her bodyguard essentially continued in Disks Two and Three.
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I could'int said better myself, Anastar. :gift:
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Wasn't it Myrna in FFVII or something like that?


Aw, nuts. >.< Yes, it's Myrna in the game. But her letters lack the katakana "iru" in the scan. So it was literally read as Mina.

Sorry about that.
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*gasps at Anti-R's mistake and begins to move all her belongings out from Anti-R's house* :no: :( :sad: :cry:

:lmao: :) :huggle:

I remember Elenor's name being mentioned by Dyne too, or maybe I'm just seeing things? O_o
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Yeah, he mentions hearing Elenor begging him to "not hate Barret's rotten guts" I think. :lol:

And it's ok Anti! :huggle:
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I got the Ultimania Book and the chart has no key. But what I can share with you guys are clearifications (hopefully)

The Red area represent Shinra Company, Purple area is Soldier,light green is Cetra,light blue means 'Friends' (But if you watch or read One Piece there is a deeper meaning than just 'friend in English because there is not much words to describe it in English) and of course the dark blue is Avalance.

The guy pointing to Tifa is her teacher, it says so in the orange line (Teach Marial Art to). The Blank picture linked to Barret is his Wife Minna (The red line says Barret (Husband)--Minna(Wife). Same with Daion.

I hope that helped! =D
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