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Ultimania Relationship Chart And Scans; <3
Topic Started: Oct 17 2005, 06:35 PM (2,602 Views)
Aerith_kun
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"DeMoNīs DoNīt CrY"... by Anderson O_O
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Edit: Holy crap! Did anyone else notice that Barret and Tifa are in a darker blue box together seperate from the rest of Avalanche? I guess that means they were living together in FFVII! XDXD


So itīs confirmed that they have been living together since the beginning of FFVII, like we thought xDDD

I think this relationship chart is stablished (more or less) at the beginning of the game. Although there are things like the close friendship shared between Cloud-Zack and Cloud-Tifa, which is demostrated later in the story, there are others which evolution with the advance of the game, like the Elena-Tseng relationship, or the Cid-Sheraīs, too, which donīt end like this relationship chart says... Just my opinion ^^

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I actually think it's probably because they're in both groups, so the darkness is the overlapping, but I would like to think differently! 


I donīt think so, because Cloud is a member of Avalnche, too, and he isnīt inside of it :lol:

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I have noticed that Edelmyra has a link to Aeris, but Aeris doesnīt have a link to her O.o... Iīm thinking the unilateral arrows arenīt "established"... like if some of this relationships could "evolution", change or something during the game... I donīt know :unsure:
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Lynn
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Oct 17 2005, 07:17 PM
Cloud and Zacks what do you have to say for yourselves?

Cloud " ... "
Zack " *slicks back hair*

Cloud I could take that to mean *anything* you know.
And don't think you'll distract me that way Zacky boy :P

*has completely melted to goo at Zack's l337 hair-slicking sk33lz*

Sorry, can't help you with the interrogation there, FB! :sweat:

And yes, I love that portrait of Aerith! And Cloud's too, in fact. I think those look a lot better than their full-body official artwork. Especially Aerith's. Her bangs look softer in this one. :wub:

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I think I get what the blue line means now, it's like a "cause and effect" indication.

Good eye, DH! I was wondering what that blue line might indicate...

Aerith_kun
 
I donīt think so, because Cloud is a member of Avalnche, too, and he isnīt inside of it

Much as I'd like to believe that, Aerith_kun :lol: I think it's meant to cover the "original" AVALANCHE too-- hence why the box covers Jessie, Biggs and Wedge. Then the lighter box covers the "new" AVALANCHE, which includes Cloud since he was a new recruit in the beginning of the game. And since Barret and Tifa are part of both, overlapping ensues.

But it's fun to think it could've been because they live together. :whistle:

I also noticed that Aerith and Ifalna get their own little green Cetra box, and it looks like Sephiroth and Zack are together in a grey SOLDIER box.

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I think this relationship chart is stablished (more or less) at the beginning of the game.

I think so too... or maybe it's just my wishful thinking that Cid and Shera DO love each other, dammit. :P

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I have noticed that Edelmyra has a link to Aeris, but Aeris doesnīt have a link to her O.o...

The arrow also has a little note attached to it, though, so maybe it says something like "adopted mother of" or something like that? Then it wouldn't need an arrow from Aerith to Elmyra.

The same type of arrow points from Barret to Marlene.
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Anastar
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I have a feeling the orange lines mean something like "cares about". There's orange lines between Shera and Cid, RedXIII and Bugenhagen, and between Barret and Marlene. So I think the orange lines mean something more like "cares about".

I agree that these seem like at the beginning of the game, because of the blue line between Cid and Shera.

The green lines seem to indicate employment.
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Aerith_kun
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Much as I'd like to believe that, Aerith_kun  I think it's meant to cover the "original" AVALANCHE too-- hence why the box covers Jessie, Biggs and Wedge. Then the lighter box covers the "new" AVALANCHE, which includes Cloud since he was a new recruit in the beginning of the game. And since Barret and Tifa are part of both, overlapping ensues


Well, it seems right of this form ^^... But it doesnīt change my thoughts of Tifa living with Barret at the beginning of FFVII :whistle:

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think so too... or maybe it's just my wishful thinking that Cid and Shera DO love each other, dammit.


At least we know he put her name to an airship :lol: (Sierra=Shera)... And Tseng and Elena were going to have a date before he was stabbed by Sephirothīs katana, sooo ^^U...

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The arrow also has a little note attached to it, though, so maybe it says something like "adopted mother of" or something like that? Then it wouldn't need an arrow from Aerith to Elmyra.

The same type of arrow points from Barret to Marlene.


O.O... Now I can see it... Thank you, Lynn :)

But itīs reforcing my idea of unilateral arrows can mean a posibility of change or evolution in this relationship... Look:
Sephiroth<-->Cloud (hate each other, it seems)
Zack<-->Cloud (close friendship)
Tifa<-->Cloud (idem)
I think between this characters all is written. We all know Cloud and Sephiroth hates each other during ALL the game. We all know Zack and Cloud have shared a close friendship; and we all (well, all not, but it isnīt the case ^^U) that Tifa and Cloud share the same type of relationship at the middle/end of the game (I donīt think Cloud showed a lot of friendship towards Tifa at the beginning -_-). Itīs STABLISHED with the arrow pointing at both sides. But other relationships, like Tseng-Elena, Cid-Shera (or Cloud-Aeris, hehe :P ) CAN change during the game. And their links arenīt established like the others. I think itīs a great difference between Cloud-Tifa relationship and Cloud-Aeris relationship. Tseng-Aeris, for example, are linked in the same form that Cloud-Aeris, but itīs the point... We canīt know for sure if Tseng moved on during the game. He BEGINS to do it with Elena, but it isnīt sure 100%... Aeris and Cloud relationship is complicated; like always has been. At least it doesnīt seem stablished like the Cloud-Tifa one :P

Itīs my theory. It doesnīt mean that itīs right; who knows ^^UU...


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Holy_Aeris
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Ooooo the Holyness......
heheh, i find it hilarious that Cloud had 3 women going!!!

Hmmm i see Aeris loves Cloud, but Cloud only fees cose friendship with her??? Umm i think theres a colour mis-print, i think its supose to be pink instead of orange! :lol:
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Of course they wont put who he likes, same reason why they never comfirm the love triangle! The light blue seems to be FFVII main/playable characters, while the darker blue is Avalanche. I don't consider (and it seems they don't either) the FFVII gang as apart of 'avalanche', and Cloud never joins them, he only helps them out in one (or two - since Tifa convinced him to stay for another) missions for cash. And I think Barret does live with Tifa in the beginning, since Marlene is already familiarized with the bar enough to take over the shift. :P Then again, I think all of Avalanche stayed at the bar as a hideout..

EDIT: Oh yeah, you gotta love that loong pink line from Rude to Tifa xD I love that part of the game! When they discuss who they like.
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Clerith-son
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Awww... Where's Mukki??? He's supposed to hold the fourth pink arrow that points to Cloud?

Who Cloud loves is open to interpretation, you have to find it for yourself, Nomura, Kitase, Nojima won't say it, even worst a relationship chart. They are just stating the obvious, in there.
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Seii Monogatari
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Notice that it appears the label on Aeris's pink arrow towards Cloud is the same as Tifa's, so Aeris loves him just as much as Tifa. And that label is different that Aeris's pink line towards Zack, do we know what that line says?
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Hmm, I believe that the sign that both Aerith and Tifa share says that they love Cloud. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the print for Zack from Aerith is probably something like, "First love" or something. :unsure:
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yin-chan
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wow, interesting indeed!!! I wonder who are those faceless people linked to Barret.... :huh:
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Oct 17 2005, 01:03 PM
I think this chart will make a happy C_G ;)

Bwahahaha! Victory is mine! :lmao:
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Aerith_kun
 
But itīs reforcing my idea of unilateral arrows can mean a posibility of change or evolution in this relationship... Look:

That's a real interesting way to look at it, Aerith_kun! I see what you mean-- there are the established relationships, almost static in their nature, such as the constant antagonistic relationship between Sephiroth and Cloud.

And then there are the dynamic relationships, that have a chance to grow (and did grow during the game). Cid/Shera is the best example of a working relationship turning into something romantic. Tseng/Elena also grew. So, by virtue of similar patterns, that means Cloud/Aerith also grew into something romantic~ :whistle:

Clerith-son
 
Awww... Where's Mukki??? He's supposed to hold the fourth pink arrow that points to Cloud?

:lmao: Poor Mukki, so unloved. :(

Except by Cloud.

Onigiri
 
EDIT: Oh yeah, you gotta love that loong pink line from Rude to Tifa xD

:lmao: :lmao: I saw that too! I thought that was ADORABLE. Neither hail nor loooong arrows shall come between Rude's crush on the lurvely Tifa!

Difinity
 
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the print for Zack from Aerith is probably something like, "First love" or something.

D'oh! Why didn't I think of that? ...Yeah, that's probably it. Zack would be Aerith's "first love", but I'm inclined to believe Zack has had many loves before that. :lol:

yin-chan
 
wow, interesting indeed!!! I wonder who are those faceless people linked to Barret....

I think that's his wife (I can't remember her name for the life of me). There's a faceless person linked to Dyne too, whom I'm guessing is also his wife and mother of Marlene.
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Wow, what a chart! I love it! The pink line from Rude to Tifa was one of the first things I looked for, LOL..... :lmao: We all have to make sure THAT's there! Aww, there are so many one-sided relationships/crushes/loves going on in FF7! I don't think that there's a pink line that has two arrows.... I was a bit surprised that there was no pink arrow pointing from Zack to Aeris, but I already expected the absence of one from Lucrecia to Vincent...
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Clorith
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Yup, the one from Aerith to Zack says "First Love". :)

It's nice how Cloud's arrow to Aerith says he's her bodyguard, thus showing that he's extremely protective over her, but the arrow with Tifa just says they're "childhood friends". :lmao:
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I still say the orange lines mean something like "cares about". Then the chart would indicate that Cloud cares about both Aerith and Tifa. It just wouldn't specify in what way Cloud cares about each of them. ;)

I prefer thinking of the orange lines that way than to say Cloud felt nothing for either one of them! :(

We know that both Aerith and Tifa are important to Cloud in some way, and that therefore Cloud cares about both of them in some way. Remember the scene in AC when Sephiroth asks Cloud what's important to him?

The orange line meaning "cares about" would make more sense in other relationships, too, if you ask me. There's an orange line between Aerith and Tseng, for example. They weren't really friends, but we do know that Aerith cared about Tseng because she cried when they found Tseng injured in the Temple of Ancients. We also know that Shera cared about Cid long before his feelings for her changed, so it would make sense for an orange line between Shera and Cid to mean "cares about".

EDIT: I PM'd Wilhelm to see if he could give us more information. He's having trouble seeing the Japanese text on his monitor, so he says he will translate when he gets his copy of the Ultimania. I also asked him to look for a key in the book, since there's none on the scan. He doesn't think that the relationships are those at the start of the game, since he points out that Marlene and Aerith are both shown to be foster children. Here's Wilhelm's reply to me:

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I can't really read most of the words on the lines on my monitor, the little font and light colours kind of obscurs it too much. I can guess at some of the ones that are clear enough, but my copy of the book should be here in the next few days anyway so I'd rather spare my eyes the strain of trying to make them out ^^;

There's no key on that page though (but the words probably do the job of a legend anyway) From the looks of it, pink lines are affection, orange ones are kind of interpersonal relationships (friendships, familial, and some miscellaneous others, but generally positive form what I can see), red ones show marriage and offspring, grey ones seem to be all science related (discovery of Jenova, Hojo's various experients and so on, except the Cait Sith-Reeve one about him controlling Cait Sith as a spy), green ones look like employment, and blue does seem to be antagonistic ones.

I don't really know if you can say that the relationships are all how their first presented. They do give away things like foster children straight away (Aerith and Marlene), but most of them seem to be relationships in general. Like Cid's to Shera only talks about him treating her badly, which he does for most of the game IIRC.
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