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| Is There A God? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2005, 01:09 AM (5,978 Views) | |
| Onigiri | Oct 6 2005, 08:22 PM Post #106 |
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Well, question; if you say that there is proof that there is a god in the things around us, and that the possibility of us becoming what we are today a result of something other than god is impossible, then, why does god make us so complicated? Why is everything not as simple? If everything is god's fate, why is there medicine for his/her diseases? Why can everything be explained through logic and not just 'it just appeared like that' as is the story of how we are created? Did he/she sit down and designed the whole system of science? We are heading down a path to have the ability to become 'gods' ourselves. What does that tell about your god and what you believe in? Besides, evolution and the big bang theory are only few out of the many many possibilities. They are just the most well known. Disproven them doesn't prove there is a god. Disproving the christian god doesn't mean there isn't a god either. Scientists don't look at evolution as an answer, but try to look at it as critically as possible. Many don't believe in it, but doesnt mean they are god believers. They believe what they see, or whats logic to them. |
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| Nevi | Oct 10 2005, 02:17 AM Post #107 |
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let us be lovers.
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I'm not pointing fingers at anyone so don't get offended and jump all over me. But I think the grudge most people have against God is not really against him. It's normally, against those who worship him. Today's churches have been puffing them selves up thinking their so holy, thumping their Bibles at everyone saying who breaths sideways, "Oh! You're going to Hell! You better get down on your knees and beg God for forgiveness! Oh, praise God, he's gonna rain fire down on you for all the evil stuff you've done!" That is a freaking load of crap. Today's church has put on their sunday best and made christianity a big sacrilegious parade out of it! And we wonder why and the heck people are turning from God. They see this monster we've made out of ourselves and their afraid of it, and they say, "Oh! I don't wanna be that!" And they darn well should be afraid! In our blindness we've blinded the world. And we wonder why we're running in to stuff, we can't see! People have stopped seeing what God really want's for us. He wants us to love him. Because he loves us so much. He wants us to see that we just need to rest and he can take care of our lives for us. I don't want to show you empathy, because the definition of empathy is sympathetic, sad concern for someone in misfortune. I don't want to give you that. I want to give you love. Because God is love. And he doesn't want you to be sad or in misfortune. And I remember something very true someone once said about offense. Offense is just like a fence. You can either stand and stare at it, or you can get over it. |
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| Rufus ShinRa | Oct 10 2005, 02:35 AM Post #108 |
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out of all the ppl that talks about god, you're the only who makes any sense.. I think what you said is so true(if there is a god) I dont think anyone would be offended, because if there is a god, I think what you said is so true, and makes the most sense out of the other ppl telling about him^___^..
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| Nevi | Oct 10 2005, 02:39 AM Post #109 |
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let us be lovers.
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Thanks, Rufus! I'm glad you understand. Finally someone does.I just hope people take the time to read that. |
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| Raist | Oct 10 2005, 03:45 AM Post #110 |
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Nevi I don't want to show you empathy, because the definition of empathy is sympathetic, sad concern for someone in misfortune Empathy: Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives No empathy is not necessarily sympathetic. You don't seem to understand what empathy is. It is not pity or sympathy though it is often placed in the same regard. It is identifying and understanding someone else and their life. But it is not doing so the extent that we forget or misplace our own morals and values. Placing yourselves in someone else's shoes does not make you them, but it is the key part of being able to love them. Nevi you may want to show us love, but you are not. Until you atleast attempt to understand and comprehend our opinions you are merely the cold minded arrogant observer how places herself on a pedestal. Love cannot exist without empathy. If I cannot understand you, how can I love you? But I think the grudge most people have against God is not really against him It is against those that preach for him. That is somewhat true. But you have missed the point of what many of the posters here have been saying and you have completely missed my point. Their question is why would a loving and peaceful god allow those things to happen? That is what you should be answering. My question however is entirely different. I'm wondering whether the very nature and existence of sin is not a sign that the Christian god doesn't exist. He is supposed to be perfect, yet the very nature of the possibility of sin to occur makes Him imperfect which essentially negates the Christian god. Would a perfect creator create the possibility of imperfection? This is something Seeker and I have been discussing and have yet not been able to effectively conclude. But think about the Nevi, attempt to understand that argument and reply with logic and not doctrine. Thanks, Rufus! I'm glad you understand. Finally someone does. It's too bad I can't say the same. Seeker is the person on these forums with the greatest knowledge and understanding of Christianity. He is the one definately worth listening to. |
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| Shrouded | Oct 10 2005, 03:58 AM Post #111 |
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Raist, that quoting of yours brings back a lot of memories.
I'm pretty sure you guys already brought up free will. How did it go?? |
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| Invictus | Oct 10 2005, 10:01 AM Post #112 |
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Hey shroud, is that Raist from the LTD on gamefaq? I'm just curious. |
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| Raist | Oct 10 2005, 02:12 PM Post #113 |
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I'm pretty sure you guys already brought up free will. How did it go?? Eh, tiring. We've agreed that God has given mankind free will, but that it is atleast partially limited. After all to make no choice is still to make a choice, no? But that's not really the issue at the moment. We're discussing a couple of questions and we've had to enquire with some philosophy undergraduates to help us out. The main question is: Does the possibility of imperfection in a creation imply that the creator too is imperfect? Does a possibility exist? Is sin an imperfection? That combined with exam revision is forcing my head to cause me great pain. KILL ME NOW! I hope no one took that literally >.> Invictus You know it's strange. I was just about to ask a similar question of you. I remember your name and I presume it was from GameFAQs but I can't quite remember it exactly...care to help me out? |
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| Seeker | Oct 10 2005, 10:10 PM Post #114 |
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Yeah guys. Invictus is GameFAQs' Invictus (or French Kiss), and Raist is GameFAQs' raistlinm. |
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| Nevi | Oct 11 2005, 02:26 AM Post #115 |
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let us be lovers.
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http://www.answers.com/empathy&r=67 Read all the definitions. Am I really a cold minded arrogant observer who places herself on a pedestal? I feel very sorry that you feel that way. I've tried hard to show you compassion but compassion and love is not agreeing with everything everyone says. If people were to do that the world would be in complete chaos! Please don't get offended by this but... Must you dissect everything? |
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| Shrouded | Oct 11 2005, 03:56 AM Post #116 |
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^_^It's our way. It's also a very good method to make sure that you woudn't miss a point. Raist
Well no,it's not really the focal point. It's a staring minor point.
Well perfection is such a subjective matter in a way that you can't truly recognize it unless you have something "imperfect" to compare it to. Will you truly recognize life if death is non-existant?? In that angle, creation cannot be recognize without the existance of destruction. God's mercy/righteousness(a factor of perfection) will not be recognize without the existance of sin(the so called imperfection). (....) I get this funny feeling you're going to make this complicated for me now. Invictus
*HEH* Quite a reunion huh?? Invictus, Raistlinmo8 and Perceivence. |
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| Raist | Oct 11 2005, 08:46 AM Post #117 |
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Nevi Read all the definitions. Am I really a cold minded arrogant observer who places herself on a pedestal? I feel very sorry that you feel that way. I've tried hard to show you compassion but compassion and love is not agreeing with everything everyone says. If people were to do that the world would be in complete chaos! Please don't get offended by this but... Must you dissect everything? *sigh* I really need to work on conveying my opinions. You are right that synonym of empathy has the meaning you stated. I'll certainly concede that. But that is beside the point. I'm speaking of the meaning of empathy given at the top of the page you just presented. That form of empathy is what I speak about. Now as for being cold and arrogant I don't mean that literally (thus my problem in conveying opinions) but generally. I know people that are unable to empathise with me. They simply can't do it, I don't blame them for it that just seems to be reality. But because they cannot understand me they are cold, distant and somewhat arrogant in my eyes. That is the point to all this. An unempathetic person cannot show love to another because they are always distant to that person. I am not implying that I agree with what everyone says Nevi. I don't at all. I have my own beliefs and moral basis that is beyond that. But I force myself to atleast understand their problems and actions. If I can't understand at all I can't show any form of love and I certainly cannot persuade them to change their ways. Understanding is needed in persuasion and empathy is a necessity of understanding. Do you see my point? Empathy is an underlying inherent quality of persuasion. Without empathy Nevi you can never convince me or anyone else of near on anything. And the more persuasion that is required the greater the understanding and thus the greater empathy. See the connection?? And yes Nevi, I do. It is a part of my nature to dissect most things as I'm currently trying to dissect the idea of perfection. Here's your first lesson, try and empathise with that... Shroud I get this funny feeling you're going to make this complicated for me now. Sorry, but yes, I do. :lol: Well perfection is such a subjective matter in a way that you can't truly recognize it unless you have something "imperfect" to compare it to. Will you truly recognize life if death is non-existant?? In that angle, creation cannot be recognize without the existance of destruction. God's mercy/righteousness(a factor of perfection) will not be recognize without the existance of sin(the so called imperfection). Yes, that is true. But Seeker and I agreed on something else that I conveniently forgot to mention. We agreed that for a creator to be perfect he must have always existed and will always exist, otherwise it would end and thus be imperfect. This means that his creation has to be outside of and seperate from himself. He is still a part of his creation as a carpenter is a part of his cabinet, but He is still seperate from it. This means that in our world of creation a perfect God has created the possibility of imperfection. Now while I understand your point that we cannot know perfection without imperfection, it still seems to stand to reason that imperfection has been created or atleast the possibilty of it (this is the current issue that we're trying to resolve anyway). So regardless of whether we would realise a perfect world would still be perfect, no? But even though we have knowledge of imperfection and perfection now the imperfection still exists and thus I argue that the creator must also have been imperfect as He could have created a perfect world were he perfect. But we're still not decided on that. That's just the general gist of the argument and where I came from. Wow...I never thought I'd see Invictus or French Kiss again. I miss the days of his hilarity and abuse *sigh* Majin pawnings are so rare but sweet... |
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| pink_fl0wers | Oct 12 2005, 06:29 AM Post #118 |
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Okay. I believe in God. But I'm not really addicted to the God that you guys worship. I'm Wiccan, so my lines are, Mother Earth, Father Sky. So I definately believe in a God of some sort. |
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| Tifa_Chan | Oct 15 2005, 04:06 PM Post #119 |
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yes there is a god, people say there isn't cause all this bad stuff wouldnt have happend and what not but thats so far from true, there is a god and we are all here to learn a lesson of some kind thus the bad things that happen in our lives, Everyone has a place and a lesson to learn and god doesnt give anyone anything they cant handel because no matter how bad things are people get through it and move on, Its importent for people to have faith in something and if god is that something then so be it, no one can make any one believe in or not believe in god but I do believe because of things that have happend in my life time and time again show me that god is real and is looking out for all of us. there I've said my piece Im shutting up now lol >> << wow this is the most I've typed on here so far XD lol ok ok Im done -zips mouth shut- |
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| Mrs.Loz | Oct 15 2005, 09:46 PM Post #120 |
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What will happen if one day God wasn't proven to have existed? |
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