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| Is There A God? | |
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| Toxo | Sep 27 2005, 06:24 PM Post #31 |
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Nå kidding.
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I believe in God no matter what others say. |
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| Hyper-Ballad | Sep 27 2005, 07:01 PM Post #32 |
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Is this good enough change? ![]() There is plenty of physical evidence for evolution, AR. Seriously, I really think you don't properly grasp the theory of evolution, Aerith. But I think DQ provided you with a few links in another thread which might clear a few things up for you. Please do give them a read when you can, or do your own research, before you make comments like this - I'm afraid it's rather frustrating.
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| EnglishRose | Sep 27 2005, 07:43 PM Post #33 |
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Yes, but were you there millions of years ago, Hyper? Did you actually see that animal change, I mean seen? Those are just pictures of what an animal might've looked like, just like pictures of what Jesus might've looked like. ![]() I don't claim to know everything about evolution, I guess you know more than me, but you can't say that you can prove evolution by saying that you have witnessed it. I'm sorry if I'm being frustrating.
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| Hyper-Ballad | Sep 27 2005, 08:13 PM Post #34 |
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No problem. I'm sorry if I'm being too harsh. ![]()
What about the remains? The image I just posted isn't a vague example of what the predecessor of the horse might've looked like. We know that they actually existed. The way we know what these animals looked like is because their remains tell us. These are what tell us that the animal changed. The changes that occur in evolution aren't instantaneous; it's a very slow development over a great stretch of time which no-one can really witness. What we can do is observe the stages of change that have already occured. Just because we can't witness evolution doesn't make it as intangible as a religious belief. There are scientific facts backing it up that can't be denied. It's often possible to prove that something took place with evidence rather than a witness - for example, a crime in which there are no eyewitnesses involved, and yet hard forensic evidence connecting a suspect to the scene of the crime at the time it took place. No-one might've seen this person commit the crime, and yet it can still be proven without a witness.
Neither do I. I'm hardly an expert, and we don't want you to go out there and learn all the ins-and-outs of the theory of evolution. But what DQ and I are trying to say is that we'd really appreciate it if you would do a little more research into the facts. We both seem to be getting the impression that you're misunderstanding a lot of the basics. It's not us ganging-up against you or anything, because you're a Christian or anything like that; we'd be more than happy to discuss evolution with you once you're in full possession of the facts. Knowing the facts doesn't mean you have to come over to our side, it just makes you better equipped to debate about the issue. ![]() After all, you don't want DQ's giant brain filled with science to drop on you, right? :lol: |
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| Real_Emotion | Sep 27 2005, 09:59 PM Post #35 |
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Hmm... you guys make me think too much. Well, I've been thinking about this since I last posted here and I think I know what I believe in now... I don't believe in god... at least not in the Christian or Catholic God. More so in a higher being/force which has no real label or name. Did that make sense? Oh well whatever...
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| Hyper-Ballad | Sep 27 2005, 11:40 PM Post #36 |
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Of course it does! ![]() There's a world of difference between being a religious person and a spiritual person, RE. Believing in a deeper meaning to life, or the existence of a higher power or unifying force doesn't make you a God-fearing person, or mean that you have to believe in God if you believe in anything like that.
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| Real_Emotion | Sep 28 2005, 12:03 AM Post #37 |
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Awww... thanks, Hyper! Now, I just have to explain this to my family... when the time is right, that is. I know they're not really going to understand. I can just hear them now telling me they're going to make me go back to sunday school or get the idea of shipping me off to a Catholic Boarding School. <_< |
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| Inuyatta | Sep 28 2005, 12:25 AM Post #38 |
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point one: Wrong. Asians bow to each other all the time as a sign of respect, not subserviance. You took the bible too literally. point two: Inaccurate. If the Bible is unchanging, why are there so many versions of it? A little bit is taken out and re-translated and re-interpreted each time. Again, you cannot take the Bible and use it to define some other belief as wrong. You simply, cannot. Christianity is considered a religion because there are actual icons to worship in that line of faith. And lastly, no one really knows exactly what Nirvana is, same as no one really knows what Heaven, Hell, etc is like. Either way, you cannot say that the Bible is the unshakable truth for everyone and holds all the answers because it doesn't. It's great that you believe in something so strongly, but that doesn't necessarily make it truth. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. And now I'm off, my friend has returned from the hospital. |
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| Nevi | Sep 28 2005, 12:48 AM Post #39 |
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let us be lovers.
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You know I don't see how there cannot be a god. I'll list some facts of things I've seen and have heard of from my friends and family. Once my father was praying for a woman who wanted her foot to be healed so my father just laid his hand on the woman's foot and said, "In the name of Jesus, be healed." and he moved on down the prayer line. A moment later the woman started to shout and dance. Her foot was healed. My dad said, "Praise God! She got a touch!" But the paster leaned over to my father and told him that the woman had absolutely NO bones in her foot. After service the woman told my father that she felt a completely new skeleton grow back in her foot. I once knew a man who was a pastor and one night during a service a woman and some men brought a coffin up on stage and the woman told the man to pray for her dead husband. He had been dead for a few days and this man just prayed silently for the man and he sat up, completely alive. They asked him if he was hurting anywhere and the man said, "My back and chest hurt." That was because his wife had been trying to give him CPR when she found him at home. The funny thing about that story was that the man was an organ donor and his heart, liver and some other organs had been removed. But here he was, fully alive and completely whole. When my father was a child he had VERY bad asthma. When he was about 10 or 12 he and his family were singing and he started to have a bad asthma attack. His father told him to sit down. An old man walked up on stage and said to my grandfather, "Sir, can I pray for this boy?" My grandfather nodded and the man approached my father. He put his hand on my father's head and said, "Be healed, in the name of Jesus!" My dad got up and began singing again. Sense then he hasn't had one single asthma attack. When I was younger I used to have very bad ear infections. I would scream at night because it hurt so bad. One night when I was lying in bed my ear started to ache and I thought to myself, "I'm sick of this!" So I put my hand over my ear and said, "Jesus heal me." And at that second the infection FELL OUT of my ear. It hasn't bothered my sense. These are all just examples of healing. If there isn't a God how did that woman grow a foot back? How did that man come back from the dead? How did my father get rid of asthma? How did my ear infection stop? Without a God these things just don't happen. Edit: Oh yeah, Inuyatta. There's only one version of the Bible. Just different translations. Some for people who speak different languages and some that are easier to read than the King James Version. Some people find the thee's and thou's hard to understand. :) |
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| Inuyatta | Sep 28 2005, 01:43 AM Post #40 |
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Err...according to bible.org... http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=663
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| Nevi | Sep 28 2005, 02:19 AM Post #41 |
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let us be lovers.
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Well that is true. King James I revised the Bible because during his time people would have considered it witchcraft because they were quick to think that everything was of witches. (Just look at the Salem Witch trials!) But we must thank King James I for what he did, because if the people thought it was of witches, it would have been banned and we wouldn't have the Bible in many parts of the world. And the only way you can know for sure what the bible means it to look at the Hebrew. The bible was never meant to be in Greek and Latin. You can see the original hebrew words by using the "Strong's Concordance."
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| Inuyatta | Sep 28 2005, 03:13 AM Post #42 |
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Actually, from what I've checked out, James changed the Bible because it conflicted with his corrupt lifestyle. The Geneva Bible also had very well written notes in the margins telling Christians they shouldn't obey corrupt kings who order them to obey in "even in wicked instances". But that was from merely one puritan websites, so clearly, they have issues with King James. But the other reasons James revised the Bible was because he thought it would make him popular with the people (and damn if it didn't), it would give him something else to be remembered by in the history books. But mostly, it was to suit his own needs, to keep the public from rising against him. Gahh...I'd be more descript, but it's been years since I was in High School, having this crap shoved into my head. Considering how inaccurate most history texts are, I used the books for their real purposes--pillows. Hard, uncomfortable pillows. But I guess the cranial compacting served it's purpose. Passed the AP stuff with an A. XD |
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| Nevi | Sep 28 2005, 03:48 AM Post #43 |
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let us be lovers.
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Those people are also the ones who said he killed his mother, which he did not. In fact, his aunt Queen Elizabeth I killed his mother because she was guilty of treason! Thus James I takes the crown! |
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| Inuyatta | Sep 28 2005, 04:50 AM Post #44 |
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Yep. It's funny what does and doesn't get left out of texts these days... |
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| Toxo | Sep 28 2005, 01:16 PM Post #45 |
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Nå kidding.
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Very good points ya got there, Nevi. :) |
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