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Is There A God?
Topic Started: Sep 25 2005, 01:09 AM (5,983 Views)
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I believe in God no matter what others say.
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Hyper-Ballad
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Faith is an important part, and is applied everywhere. Even in Evolution, DQ. ;) Nobody has witnessed Evolution, I think. Has someone actually seen an animal change?

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Is this good enough change? :whistle:

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There is plenty of physical evidence for evolution, AR. Seriously, I really think you don't properly grasp the theory of evolution, Aerith. But I think DQ provided you with a few links in another thread which might clear a few things up for you. Please do give them a read when you can, or do your own research, before you make comments like this - I'm afraid it's rather frustrating. ^_^
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Yes, but were you there millions of years ago, Hyper? Did you actually see that animal change, I mean seen? Those are just pictures of what an animal might've looked like, just like pictures of what Jesus might've looked like. ^_^

I don't claim to know everything about evolution, I guess you know more than me, but you can't say that you can prove evolution by saying that you have witnessed it.

I'm sorry if I'm being frustrating. :huggle:
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I'm sorry if I'm being frustrating. :huggle:

No problem. I'm sorry if I'm being too harsh. ^_^

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Yes, but were you there millions of years ago, Hyper? Did you actually see that animal change, I mean seen? Those are just pictures of what an animal might've looked like, just like pictures of what Jesus might've looked like. ^_^

What about the remains? The image I just posted isn't a vague example of what the predecessor of the horse might've looked like. We know that they actually existed. The way we know what these animals looked like is because their remains tell us. These are what tell us that the animal changed. The changes that occur in evolution aren't instantaneous; it's a very slow development over a great stretch of time which no-one can really witness. What we can do is observe the stages of change that have already occured.

Just because we can't witness evolution doesn't make it as intangible as a religious belief. There are scientific facts backing it up that can't be denied. It's often possible to prove that something took place with evidence rather than a witness - for example, a crime in which there are no eyewitnesses involved, and yet hard forensic evidence connecting a suspect to the scene of the crime at the time it took place. No-one might've seen this person commit the crime, and yet it can still be proven without a witness.

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I don't claim to know everything about evolution

Neither do I. I'm hardly an expert, and we don't want you to go out there and learn all the ins-and-outs of the theory of evolution. But what DQ and I are trying to say is that we'd really appreciate it if you would do a little more research into the facts. We both seem to be getting the impression that you're misunderstanding a lot of the basics. It's not us ganging-up against you or anything, because you're a Christian or anything like that; we'd be more than happy to discuss evolution with you once you're in full possession of the facts. Knowing the facts doesn't mean you have to come over to our side, it just makes you better equipped to debate about the issue. ^_^

After all, you don't want DQ's giant brain filled with science to drop on you, right? :lol:
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Hmm... you guys make me think too much. :P
Well, I've been thinking about this since I last posted here and I think I know what I believe in now...

I don't believe in god... at least not in the Christian or Catholic God. More so in a higher being/force which has no real label or name. Did that make sense? Oh well whatever... :ermm:
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I don't believe in god... at least not in the Christian or Catholic God. More so in a higher being/force which has no real label or name. Did that make sense?

Of course it does! ^_^

There's a world of difference between being a religious person and a spiritual person, RE. Believing in a deeper meaning to life, or the existence of a higher power or unifying force doesn't make you a God-fearing person, or mean that you have to believe in God if you believe in anything like that. :huggle:
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Sep 27 2005, 06:40 PM
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I don't believe in god... at least not in the Christian or Catholic God. More so in a higher being/force which has no real label or name. Did that make sense?

Of course it does! ^_^

There's a world of difference between being a religious person and a spiritual person, RE. Believing in a deeper meaning to life, or the existence of a higher power or unifying force doesn't make you a God-fearing person, or mean that you have to believe in God if you believe in anything like that. :huggle:

Awww... thanks, Hyper! :huggle:

Now, I just have to explain this to my family... when the time is right, that is. I know they're not really going to understand. I can just hear them now telling me they're going to make me go back to sunday school or get the idea of shipping me off to a Catholic Boarding School. <_<
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Sep 27 2005, 03:39 PM
Inuyatta, I wasn't trying to tell you about your own beliefs!! :huggle:

I was just telling you how I understood it, I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. :ok:

However, I don't really agree with some of the things on there, do you mind debating? I just want to say a few words. ^_^

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Buddhists sometimes pay respect to images of the Buddha, not in worship, nor to ask for favours. A statue of the Buddha with hands rested gently in its lap and a compassionate smile reminds us to strive to develop peace and love within ourselves. Bowing to the statue is an expression of gratitude for the teaching.


Exodus 20:4-5 "You shall have no other gods before Me... you shall not bow down to them or serve them...

I know you say that Buddha is not a god or religion, but bowing before an idol, or an carved image is idolatry. Bowing before someone who isn't God is idolatrous. -_-

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There are many different types of Buddhism, because the emphasis changes from country to country due to customs and culture. What does not vary is the essence of the teaching — the Dhamma or truth.


The Bible never changes. It is not different in countries, or in the way we should live or whatever. It commands us to worship God like that Bible tells us, and pray in the way the Bible says, etc. The penalty for changing God's Word is written here; Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify to anyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add him to the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from this book of prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

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Buddhism explains a purpose to life, it explains apparent injustice and inequality around the world, and it provides a code of practice or way of life that leads to true happiness.


So does Christianity. ^_^

Even though Buddhism teaches wisdom and understanding, all you have to do is look in the Bible for answers. It's funny really, Christianity isn't a "religion" either, it is a Faith or a Belief. Faith is an important part, and is applied everywhere. Even in Evolution, DQ. ;) Nobody has witnessed Evolution, I think. Has someone actually seen an animal change?

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Buddhist philosophers have long debated about whether Nirvana is absolute cessation or an ineffable transcendental state.


So, how do you really know what Nirvana is like? Only the Bible has a real concept of what Christianity is, it's all in that Bible, it is the only sure thing, the only "religion" or Faith, that has all the answers. ^_^

DQ, I'm sorry I dissed your Mystic Elf. :peace:

point one: Wrong. Asians bow to each other all the time as a sign of respect, not subserviance. You took the bible too literally.

point two: Inaccurate. If the Bible is unchanging, why are there so many versions of it? A little bit is taken out and re-translated and re-interpreted each time.

Again, you cannot take the Bible and use it to define some other belief as wrong. You simply, cannot.

Christianity is considered a religion because there are actual icons to worship in that line of faith.

And lastly, no one really knows exactly what Nirvana is, same as no one really knows what Heaven, Hell, etc is like. Either way, you cannot say that the Bible is the unshakable truth for everyone and holds all the answers because it doesn't. It's great that you believe in something so strongly, but that doesn't necessarily make it truth. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

And now I'm off, my friend has returned from the hospital.
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You know I don't see how there cannot be a god. I'll list some facts of things I've seen and have heard of from my friends and family.
Once my father was praying for a woman who wanted her foot to be healed so my father just laid his hand on the woman's foot and said, "In the name of Jesus, be healed." and he moved on down the prayer line. A moment later the woman started to shout and dance. Her foot was healed. My dad said, "Praise God! She got a touch!" But the paster leaned over to my father and told him that the woman had absolutely NO bones in her foot. After service the woman told my father that she felt a completely new skeleton grow back in her foot.

I once knew a man who was a pastor and one night during a service a woman and some men brought a coffin up on stage and the woman told the man to pray for her dead husband. He had been dead for a few days and this man just prayed silently for the man and he sat up, completely alive. They asked him if he was hurting anywhere and the man said, "My back and chest hurt." That was because his wife had been trying to give him CPR when she found him at home. The funny thing about that story was that the man was an organ donor and his heart, liver and some other organs had been removed. But here he was, fully alive and completely whole.

When my father was a child he had VERY bad asthma. When he was about 10 or 12 he and his family were singing and he started to have a bad asthma attack. His father told him to sit down. An old man walked up on stage and said to my grandfather, "Sir, can I pray for this boy?" My grandfather nodded and the man approached my father. He put his hand on my father's head and said, "Be healed, in the name of Jesus!" My dad got up and began singing again. Sense then he hasn't had one single asthma attack.

When I was younger I used to have very bad ear infections. I would scream at night because it hurt so bad. One night when I was lying in bed my ear started to ache and I thought to myself, "I'm sick of this!" So I put my hand over my ear and said, "Jesus heal me." And at that second the infection FELL OUT of my ear. It hasn't bothered my sense.

These are all just examples of healing. If there isn't a God how did that woman grow a foot back? How did that man come back from the dead? How did my father get rid of asthma? How did my ear infection stop? Without a God these things just don't happen.


Edit: Oh yeah, Inuyatta. There's only one version of the Bible. Just different translations. Some for people who speak different languages and some that are easier to read than the King James Version. Some people find the thee's and thou's hard to understand. :)
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Err...according to bible.org...

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=663

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Well that is true.
King James I revised the Bible because during his time people would have considered it witchcraft because they were quick to think that everything was of witches. (Just look at the Salem Witch trials!) But we must thank King James I for what he did, because if the people thought it was of witches, it would have been banned and we wouldn't have the Bible in many parts of the world.
And the only way you can know for sure what the bible means it to look at the Hebrew. The bible was never meant to be in Greek and Latin. You can see the original hebrew words by using the "Strong's Concordance." ^_^
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Actually, from what I've checked out, James changed the Bible because it conflicted with his corrupt lifestyle. The Geneva Bible also had very well written notes in the margins telling Christians they shouldn't obey corrupt kings who order them to obey in "even in wicked instances".

But that was from merely one puritan websites, so clearly, they have issues with King James.

But the other reasons James revised the Bible was because he thought it would make him popular with the people (and damn if it didn't), it would give him something else to be remembered by in the history books. But mostly, it was to suit his own needs, to keep the public from rising against him.

Gahh...I'd be more descript, but it's been years since I was in High School, having this crap shoved into my head. Considering how inaccurate most history texts are, I used the books for their real purposes--pillows. Hard, uncomfortable pillows. But I guess the cranial compacting served it's purpose. Passed the AP stuff with an A. XD
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Those people are also the ones who said he killed his mother, which he did not. In fact, his aunt Queen Elizabeth I killed his mother because she was guilty of treason! Thus James I takes the crown!
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Yep. It's funny what does and doesn't get left out of texts these days...
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Nevi
Sep 28 2005, 12:48 AM
You know I don't see how there cannot be a god. I'll list some facts of things I've seen and have heard of from my friends and family.
Once my father was praying for a woman who wanted her foot to be healed so my father just laid his hand on the woman's foot and said, "In the name of Jesus, be healed." and he moved on down the prayer line. A moment later the woman started to shout and dance. Her foot was healed. My dad said, "Praise God! She got a touch!" But the paster leaned over to my father and told him that the woman had absolutely NO bones in her foot. After service the woman told my father that she felt a completely new skeleton grow back in her foot.

I once knew a man who was a pastor and one night during a service a woman and some men brought a coffin up on stage and the woman told the man to pray for her dead husband. He had been dead for a few days and this man just prayed silently for the man and he sat up, completely alive. They asked him if he was hurting anywhere and the man said, "My back and chest hurt." That was because his wife had been trying to give him CPR when she found him at home. The funny thing about that story was that the man was an organ donor and his heart, liver and some other organs had been removed. But here he was, fully alive and completely whole.

When my father was a child he had VERY bad asthma. When he was about 10 or 12 he and his family were singing and he started to have a bad asthma attack. His father told him to sit down. An old man walked up on stage and said to my grandfather, "Sir, can I pray for this boy?" My grandfather nodded and the man approached my father. He put his hand on my father's head and said, "Be healed, in the name of Jesus!" My dad got up and began singing again. Sense then he hasn't had one single asthma attack.

When I was younger I used to have very bad ear infections. I would scream at night because it hurt so bad. One night when I was lying in bed my ear started to ache and I thought to myself, "I'm sick of this!" So I put my hand over my ear and said, "Jesus heal me." And at that second the infection FELL OUT of my ear. It hasn't bothered my sense.

These are all just examples of healing. If there isn't a God how did that woman grow a foot back? How did that man come back from the dead? How did my father get rid of asthma? How did my ear infection stop? Without a God these things just don't happen.


Edit: Oh yeah, Inuyatta. There's only one version of the Bible. Just different translations. Some for people who speak different languages and some that are easier to read than the King James Version. Some people find the thee's and thou's hard to understand. :)

Very good points ya got there, Nevi. :)
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