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Is There A God?
Topic Started: Sep 25 2005, 01:09 AM (5,968 Views)
Bremic
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Madame Batolli
Sep 25 2005, 02:19 PM
No, I don't think there is. I admire those who have faith in him, but I myself do not. With the things I've seen happen in my life and others, my belief in a God no longer exists. And I don't believe that we just can't comprehend God's reasons for allowing the things that have happened. I just do not believe a God exists at all.

Well, all awful things were brought into the world by sin. God created a perfect world, we messed it up.

Some people say, "Well if God knew that this would happen, why didn't he stop us? Why did he give us free will if he knew that we would use it to destroy a perfect world?" Think about it. If I created an army of robots just to bow down to me and say how they adore me all the time, thats not true love is it? He gave us free will to make a choice to love him and trust in his son Jesus, or to not.

And as I read below on the topic of how old the earth is, I beleive in God and in The Bible, and from what I've learned Earth is roughly 6,000 to 7,000 years old. Beleive it or not, there is actually more scientific evidence supporting creationism than evolution. If your interested I urge you to watch a series of seminars on video by Dr. Kent Hovind. The evidence this guy has is amazing.

I actually attended a seminar similar to his but with a different host. One of the things said was that neanderthals were not cavemen from 1 million years ago, but it was simply a deformation that occured sometimes in humans. For example, there was a "neanderthal" found in Europe wearing a coat of mail. He was a knight.
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goddess_in_pink07
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Why thank you Bremic ! I agree with everything you say! I was so sinkin tired of hearing scientists say " the earth is approximately 100,000,000,000,000 years old"!

And when people say that we came from frickin apes, it's just crazy!

We couldn't of just come from nothin people!

And scientists are not always right. My mom says when she was a kid, they said the earth was going into the next ice age! And now they say global warming is a problem.

If you don't think the earth was created by god, then how do you think we got here?
The bible makes more sense about creation than the big bang or evolution. Life can't just appear out of no where's.
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then how were we created in exact detail, how were oceans, mountains and land created, how was land shape the way it was. and don't say so can't explain cause you cannot understand god's way, if you do not know how he did it, how do you know he did it, cause thats coming from nothing, just appearing without any explanation.


Do you believe that all continents were one land mass at a time, or do you believe that they were always the way they are now, how did human life get to different part of the worlds, how can several different races come from two people (adam and eve)

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Feb 14 2006, 11:24 PM
And as I read below on the topic of how old the earth is, I beleive in God and in The Bible, and from what I've learned Earth is roughly 6,000 to 7,000 years old. Beleive it or not, there is actually more scientific evidence supporting creationism than evolution. If your interested I urge you to watch a series of seminars on video by Dr. Kent Hovind. The evidence this guy has is amazing.

I can't help but wonder if it is just biased 'seminars' that make you think that creationalism has more evidence than evolution. I truely hope you saw both sides, maybe did some study on evolution as well, and not just based that fact on the seminar. Truly, if there were more scientific evidence on creationalism than on evolution, no doubt they would be teaching us about creationalism in science class rather than evolution. And religion has nothing to do with it, by the way. One of the main reasons why society fell out of religion in the first place was that it just didn't make sense. Like Gallileo who was sent to jail (and would have been killed if the people didn't like him so much) just for disproving some old theories that were established due to the bible (i.e. earth being the center of the universe.) I surely hope you won't debate that the earth really is the centre of the universe, much less with evidence this Kent Hovind guy is producing.

Anyway, a few sites I found while googling "kend hovind"

http://www.kent-hovind.com/ < all about kent and his...'claims'!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/31/8219/5938 < good summary of who he is
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-dr.html
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind_page.htm < it leads to many other sites, and articles on the site..
http://www.fsteiger.com/KentHovind.html <- a summary of what would be learned in one of his 'seminar's. :lol: (i dont know if it should be taken seriously, but its just funny)

And many, MANY others that I just skipped. Just google the name for yourself and find whats out there. ;)

But from what I've been reading, especially about his $25 000 offer to anyone who can prove evolution, he's main support comes from biased creationalists like himselves that deny anything scientific. You can't simply say something 'isn't true' and just discard it like that. Especially something that has immense amounts of evidence backing it up.
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goddess_in_pink07
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When Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden, their were other people out in the world. Their offspring went into the world and made more people. I would go into detail, but it would just keep going on.

Thats why IN the bible, everyone is related.

But, i just can't and don't understand evolution. Its never made sense to me and never will. I won't accept the fact that we came from apes.

I'm not going to try and prove to you people god. God left people a choice to believe or not believe in him.
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Miss Yukari
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At one point I used to believe that a higher power existed (not the Christian God, but something). Now I'm not sure I even believe that any more. I've tried, I really have. But I guess me and religion aren't compatible.

Something that's very personal to me and that has probably totally killed my belief in a higher power... Children are brought into the world innocent, right? Not tarnished by sin, just innocent. It's the world that shapes them, right? And God has a plan for all his children? Then why would he take a child away before it even had the chance to be born? Before it even had the chance to see the world, and grow up, and be shaped into the adult it would become? Because of sin? As punishment? No, I can't buy into that. I stood there and listened to the vicar speaking about God, and how we couldn't understand his greater plan, and why he'd taken the child back to heaven, and I just wanted to tell him to stop talking, to stop trying to explain it away as God's will. There's no way to rationalise something like that because there is no reason for something so cruel and unfair to happen. If it had been an adult who had lived life, or even if it had been a child who had been born into the world and then been taken away, perhaps I would have felt differently. I don't know. But he wasn't. There were two months left to wait for him to arrive, and he didn't. God's will? No.

I have always believed in evolution, even before that time, because it has always made the most logical sense to me. Goddess in Pink, did you read the article I linked? It really is quite interesting and is backed up with evidence and facts that are presented clearly to help you understand where the author of the theory is coming from.
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One of the main reasons why society fell out of religion in the first place was that it just didn't make sense.


Society fell out of religion because humanity became too greedy and lost in its own personal desires to care about God.

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Like Gallileo who was sent to jail (and would have been killed if the people didn't like him so much) just for disproving some old theories that were established due to the bible (i.e. earth being the center of the universe.) I surely hope you won't debate that the earth really is the centre of the universe, much less with evidence this Kent Hovind guy is producing.


Galileo was sent to jail by the Catholic church, a very corrupt and influential organization at the current time. They had no idea what they were doing. Anything that was contrary to the old teachings was considered heresy. Most people were dumb enough to listen to anything they said.

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Anyway, a few sites I found while googling "kend hovind"

http://www.kent-hovind.com/ < all about kent and his...'claims'!
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-dr.html
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind_page.htm < it leads to many other sites, and articles on the site..
http://www.fsteiger.com/KentHovind.html <- a summary of what would be learned in one of his 'seminar's.  (i dont know if it should be taken seriously, but its just funny)


While most of these sites make good points, some are just filled with distortions of what he says and make rude comments about his general being. Typical.

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You can't simply say something 'isn't true' and just discard it like that. Especially something that has immense amounts of evidence backing it up.


Who the helk is saying something "isnt true" and leaving it? There is evidence, have you seen the videos themselves without having some sort of rebuke every 5 seconds?


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Yup, actually, I just finished watching his 'seminar' video, the first one, where he tries to prove that the earth is made some-6000 years ago. I must say, laughable. Truely, and I understand what those sites are talking about. The only evidence he alludes to are the bibles, and makes MANY assumptions that have no experimental evidence backing it up. The ice rings? When it gets warm and cold? Okay, first, its some story about some guy he talked to, who knows if its true, and ice doesn't get blackened and then 'lighter' in a matter of hours. Are you kidding me?? If you know anything about heat capacity and how long it takes heat to transfer from the air to the solid, rings aren't made in a matter of hours, or even days. That evidence alone is laughable. I see his tactics to make people believe him. He appears smart, and like he knows what he is talking about starting with explaning scientific definitions (first law of thermo dynamics, angular momentum, etc) but then starts sneeking some of the more absurd accusations that go unnoticed, and people just start taking it in as facts, since, most people there probably don't even know the first thing about the process of evolution, and only believe what he says and what the churches potrays it as (the devil's ultimate plan to ruin humankind, was it?)

Can you honestly say you know a lot about evolution, or take in most 'evidences' in his seminars? And I mean, not just hearing it just now and then, really knowing what its about. He contradicts himself numerous times and goes on about nothing that is totally unrelated to evolution, to further 'disprove evolution' by giving facts that seem true, but really aren't related to evolution at all. (kinda like his spider-banana story, which is very ironic).
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For the Christians who seem to think we come from bloody apes: NO WE DO NOT, WE COME FROM PREHISTORIC MAN. WE ARE RELATED SOMEWHAT TO APES, BUT WE DO NOT COME FROM THEM. Ok?

I see some people like to use God as a scapegoat in here. How did we get here? It must be God - sorry, but there are some things that "God" and Science cannot even explain. Just think about it.

And of course Scientists aren't right. There is no such thing as Perfection.
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Miss Yukari
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Right, Mrs. Loz. We're not apes but we're from the same family. We're a branch of the same species, just like housecats are the same species as cheetahs and lions, but not exactly the same as their relatives.

Scientist can get things wrong, just as anyone can, but their explanations are a lot more plausible than the Christian explanation, probably because they have legitimate evidence to back up their theories.
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goddess_in_pink07
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I understand. Your right Madame Batolli, sometimes god does stuff that does make sense. But, maybe theirs a reason. I mean, if people say this world is a cruel terrible place, then maybe god didn't want his children to suffer. I sometimes dislike god for all the things he does that just don't seem right.

He does whats probably right for humanity.
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A God, huh? Nah... I don't believe in one.

Why? Well it's simple, God hasn't given me a reason to believe in him. And to me a god seems very unrealistic, like a fable, ya know?

I believe in nature and the never-ending circles in it... I believe in fate, equallity, and reincarnation, but one being having complete control of everything and everyone does not seem right to me. In my view everyone is equal, there is no higher force then you.

Most people believe that if they follow their faith they will be given eternal happiness... by following the rules of their lord.

I believe that if a person wants nothing, then they are truly happy.

...but of coarse, that's just my view.

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Personally i dont beleive in a God either.

If anything i'm Taoist.

I live my life happily; i dont feel the need to 'beleive' in an unseen deity, if it turns out one exists when i die, all well and good.

But for now i'm quite happy with no stoneset religeon.

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yes, there are many bad things that happen in the world, but it's not God. It's only us. Some of the most beautiful things God does is that, He can make something good out of something bad. It's so beautiful, isnt it?

There's also a reason behind God's actions, you just need to believe in Him. It's like trusting a friend. Of course, you need to get to know Him first. :D

And about Kent Hovind, i can't really say anything about it but i'm sure about one thing. Man, does he have guts! :P

and also, the past is important, but sometimes, we need stay in the present and look to the future, or we might miss something important. Anyways, the past already happened, no one can change it, it's just how you look at it. We can never be sure what had happened before, so why dont we just do something now and stop questioning about how we came about? all this debating is leading nowhere, since no one knows for sure what had happened a long time ago.
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ooh!! nice thread.. nothing's more tempting than a religious debate... :)

anyway... ya, I believe that God exists... we don't need to prove it, we just have to have faith.. ^_^

buuut.... all the fun ends when you mention faith, 'cuz there's nothing you can do to question it...

so there has to be some proof... :lol:

hmm...

how 'bout the big bang theory? they say that some force started it... and who else could that "force" be? :lmao:


oh and about the creation theory... 6000 years, 1000000 years... doesn't really matter... but we haven't even decoded the Bible yet, so.. i think Genesis was full of symbolisms.. :)


i dunno.. heheh... God probably exists... but then again, He might not... either way, the thought of God surely helped a lot of people... it made lot of good things possible too...

people are being nice to each other because of Him... hell, if I didn't believe in Him, I wouldn't have forgiven anyone who has wronged me... i'd probably be a hate-monger... :lmao:

and about those people who think that the 'thought/idea of God' made a bad impact on their lives, it's actually their fault, for taking a good thing and turning it into a bad thing... God's not to blame.. :)

i dunno. just my two cents..
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