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Is There A God?
Topic Started: Sep 25 2005, 01:09 AM (5,972 Views)
Nevi
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You know, Satan or the Devil, whatever you like to call him has absolutely no power. He has to get permission for everything he does and it normally comes back to bite him in the butt. Like the story of Job. The man who lost everything only to gain it back 10 time over.
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Nevi
Jan 6 2006, 05:26 PM
No one created God. God has always been, always will be. There has never been a beginning to him and there will never be an end. For some people that's really hard to swallow.

I believe in God because I know if I was just chasing some fantasy I would be either starved to death or a splatter on the side of some mountain. (long story)
Working full time in the ministry I know that a lot of people think of God from what they see in the Church. But really, the Church is just a building full of people. People who make mistakes just like you and I. Being a christian doesn't make you perfect. If people want to judge God they should at least have a personal relationship with him.
That's my opinion.

Yep.. I agree about the church, this reminds me about marriage and divorce.. I really don't know why the church doesn't like the ideas of second marriage or the divorce. Let's think about it, if the men created the marriage,who created the divorce? Obviously the men,cause I don't remember that God said "Hey men! You need to get marry someone and stay forever with the person who you married".So, I'm christian,but all I know about the Church,let me with doubts about the religion and the sins, but I believe in God,but I guess I don't believe in some sins, I don't believe that second marriage it's a sin,I don't believe that sex before the marriage it's a sin.
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I really don't know why the church doesn't like the ideas of second marriage or the divorce.

Marriage is about commitment. I don't really believe that there will only be one person you would truly love, i mean, in a way i believe in fate and in a way i don't. I don't believe in it because as i've said before, there will be more than one person you might love. But then again, when you decide to marry, you will be commited to one person, so if someone else comes along that you could've loved as a lover, you are already commited to another person, so you shouldn't change your feelings. In a way, that's fate.

Also, most people get the wrong idea about love, at least in my opinion. I guess i can't really judge others, but i think that love isn't ALL about the feelings. It's about your decision and will too. Some people always need that 'feeling' before they think they like someone. That isn't necessary true. You can develop them on your own.

There's a science about 'falling in love'. When you first love in fall, there will be a chemical that forms in your brain. That's when you're love sick. (Literally! :lol: ) It only lasts a year, and after that, it stops. Then you're not love sick anymore. That's when you start to notice the bad things about the person you love. And that's when the problems start. Duh duh DUH! :P That's why when you date you need to date for at least two years lol. Just an interesting fact. :)

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Yep ^^ That's cool.. I also heard that people fall in love by the smell from the beloved person.
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Jan 6 2006, 08:26 PM
If people want to judge God they should at least have a personal relationship with him.

How do you have a personal relationship with god, I wonder? With conversation? Maybe not, since you can't really hear him (can you?). By feeling? But then, even so, feelings can be really deceiving, how do you know its not just yourself getting excited, or just a fabrication, as its your brain that tells your body how to feel? Is it just with faith? But then, how do you know for sure? The mind can be deceiving, even making you declare black is white with full confidence and certainty.

Also, I wonder, as christian beliefs (of how the bible tells it, not personal beliefs), does it state that god changes? Or are his rules absolute, and seeing as they still apply in modern times (from stories of the biblical age) they are static? His morals, teachings, 'sinful actions', are they the same for all time? Or do they change with society? (Which, imo, makes so sense for their to be a god...)
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How do you have a personal relationship with god, I wonder? With conversation?

Exactly. ^_^
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Jan 7 2006, 04:54 AM
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How do you have a personal relationship with god, I wonder? With conversation?

Exactly. ^_^

Really? With words?
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It's complicated. :whistle:

I'm not understanding it yet XD


*editing the post*

So.. In the bible says that Adam and Eve betrayed God,right? So.. I think the apple and the snake are.. just.. i don't know, i think they made sex,and it's a sin for God. It's because everybody just "read" the bible and don't try to understand the situations well.
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Onigiri
Jan 7 2006, 04:58 AM
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Jan 7 2006, 04:54 AM
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How do you have a personal relationship with god, I wonder? With conversation?

Exactly. ^_^

Really? With words?

Sort of. Some people hear the distinct voice of God and others hear him as almost a whisper in their minds. Sometimes people doubt weather the voice is real or not. It's hard to make out which is which because we're only humans, limited creatures.

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Also, I wonder, as christian beliefs (of how the bible tells it, not personal beliefs), does it state that god changes? Or are his rules absolute, and seeing as they still apply in modern times (from stories of the biblical age) they are static? His morals, teachings, 'sinful actions', are they the same for all time? Or do they change with society? (Which, imo, makes so sense for their to be a god...)

Well the bible says "Work out your own salvation." This means you should do what you think God wants you to do. And the bible also says "There is no condemnation in Christ." Meaning, if I think something you're doing is wrong I shouldn't say, "Oh! That's a sin!" It the same thing if you think something I'm doing is a sin. All we can do is pray and ask god to show us what is truth and what is not. But whatever you do you should do it within the law.

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Let's think about it, if the men created the marriage,who created the divorce?

God created both marriage and divorce. We married himself to his people then he divorced them because they failed to listen to and love him. In present times God is trying to remarry his people. But they seem to not be working together at this point.

Whoo! I said a lot! >.<
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All these stuffs are too complicated. :huh:
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Really? With words?

Yup, at least for me. I guess everyone is different in their way of communicating with God but, whatever it is, i'm sure it'll work. :D
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Meggie
Jan 7 2006, 09:35 PM
All these stuffs are too complicated. :huh:

Yeah, rawly it is.
My father said once that truth comes in layers, like and onion. At the outer part it is thin and vague, but as you peel it becomes thicker and it makes you cry. My mother said she read the same thing in a book, one my father had never read. Strange world, eh?
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Jan 7 2006, 09:28 PM
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Also, I wonder, as christian beliefs (of how the bible tells it, not personal beliefs), does it state that god changes? Or are his rules absolute, and seeing as they still apply in modern times (from stories of the biblical age) they are static? His morals, teachings, 'sinful actions', are they the same for all time? Or do they change with society? (Which, imo, makes so sense for their to be a god...)

Well the bible says "Work out your own salvation." This means you should do what you think God wants you to do. And the bible also says "There is no condemnation in Christ." Meaning, if I think something you're doing is wrong I shouldn't say, "Oh! That's a sin!" It the same thing if you think something I'm doing is a sin. All we can do is pray and ask god to show us what is truth and what is not. But whatever you do you should do it within the law.

Hmmm. But, for example, the subject of homosexuality, its stated in the bible that its strictly forbidden (I think...) and yet, more and more, it is becoming acceptable in the christian population. Well, I know each one has a different view, but even some ministers are okay with it, and I guess don't find it a sin. Is it okay just to override some things in the bible just cause society is changing? Or are they doing that just cause of influence, conformity, and such?

As I understand (and my knowledge of the christian religion is very limited, so I don't know how accurate this is), the old testiment (what the jewish believe in) was what 'god' wrote, but Jesus came as a messenger and told the world that there are new sets of rules? (Thus, the creation of the new testiment). Example, I know Jewish do not eat pork because it is considered dirty meat, but christians can.
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Hmm...Jewish people don't acknowledge that Jesus came to save them, so they still follow the old testiment. And i don't think God wrote the old testiment, but some writers that were wrting in their persective. I think.
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Jan 8 2006, 05:47 AM
Hmmm. But, for example, the subject of homosexuality, its stated in the bible that its strictly forbidden (I think...) and yet, more and more, it is becoming acceptable in the christian population. Well, I know each one has a different view, but even some ministers are okay with it, and I guess don't find it a sin. Is it okay just to override some things in the bible just cause society is changing? Or are they doing that just cause of influence, conformity, and such?

Well God did say homosexuality should not be practiced so if he has said not to do that do not do it. But if you are a homosexual (not meaning you but anyone in general) that doesn't mean you are going straight to hell in a hand basket. If you repent and serve God, changing your ways to do as he tells you then what you had done is erased from God's mind like it never even happened. He only wants the good out of you he'll take the bad and throw it away, he doesn't care. Sin is sin, be it homosexuality, a white lie, murder, theft or whatever. He doesn't care, he'll fix it because he wants you to be happy, all you have to do is repent. Simple as that.

In an example of work out your own salvation my Grandmother thinks it's evil and your going to hell if you dance. That's why I keep it a secret from her that I am a "praise dancer." Because right now in my walk with the Lord I feel that it's okay to dance, while my Grandmother thinks it's a sin. That's just where she is. She's a stubborn woman and doesn't really listen to reason but that's another story entirely.


EDIT: Onigiri! I love your new sig and avatar, so cute! :fangirl:
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