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Tifa's Tears?
Topic Started: Aug 27 2005, 04:38 PM (2,333 Views)
Anastar
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
Shimley - we don't have spoiler tags in this forum. You can find out how to hide text in this forum here: Marking Spoilers - Important ~ Anastar
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Shmiley_Fashe
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If it's not on the test, I don't care.
oops my bad. I am use to ACF....ahhh my mistake.
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Anastar
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Shimley_Fashe
Aug 30 2005, 07:05 PM
oops my bad. I am use to ACF....ahhh my mistake.

No biggie. Those weren't big spoilers anyway. :lol: But we will know some VERY big spoilers in just a couple of days, since AC is premiering in Venice tomorrow. So please remember to post any Spoiler topics in the Spoiler Forum! :)
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Shmiley_Fashe
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I am defidently not going into the spoiler forum then. Is the release date still the 14th?

But yes..........Tifa seems to be clingy again. Maybe we could push her off a cliff and do some weird FF magic and revive Aerith since she isnot all like, "OH CLOUD HOLD ME I AM SO CLINGY!! OH CLOUD I NEED YOU TO TELL ME EVERYTHING IS OKAY!!!"

sorry had to get that out of my system. :whistle:

I still like TIfa though.
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Anastar
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Shimley_Fashe
Aug 30 2005, 07:17 PM
I am defidently not going into the spoiler forum then. Is the release date still the 14th?

You've already gone into the Spoiler forum! :lol: :P

The release date is only for Sept. 14th in Japan. Apparently, it'll be released in the US in November. You'll find more about the delay in the NA release date here: http://s8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...?showtopic=1930

Nomura also said in a recent message that they haven't even finished dubbing the NA version yet. So, it looks like a November NA release is accurate. <_<
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Marlene
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I want to meet her there.


I hate to admit it,but Yinchan is right,I kind of feel bad for her,but still..........
.........the idea of it being Sephiroth is kind of cool.Crocodile tears I say.
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Anastar
Aug 30 2005, 12:24 PM
Shimley_Fashe
Aug 30 2005, 07:17 PM
I am defidently not going into the spoiler forum then. Is the release date still the 14th?

You've already gone into the Spoiler forum! :lol: :P

The release date is only for Sept. 14th in Japan. Apparently, it'll be released in the US in November. You'll find more about the delay in the NA release date here: http://s8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...?showtopic=1930

Nomura also said in a recent message that they haven't even finished dubbing the NA version yet. So, it looks like a November NA release is accurate. <_<

Thanks for the link. And I ment I am not going into the spoiler forum after all the venice festival stuff is posted. Because I want to see it myself.......but knowing me I will end up in there.
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In many cultures, it is considered rude to point fingers and say "have you lost to a memory". It shows a callous feeling and an abrasive personality, and it really hurts the other person. If Tifa includes herself "we", it becomes a mutual thing, and she shows that she not only sympathizes with Cloud, but that she wants more from him. The Japanese are a very polite culture, and I don't think they'd ever ever say "have you lost to a memory?"


Though it is true that the Japanese culture is very polite, in media sense, its not always true. Since the scenes are just bits and pieces, you can't really rule what Tifa means. Plus, media like anime, video games, music, manga....they don't really used the correct usage of Japanese grammer. If you say," Kimi wo aishiteru"...like it does in the opening of Escaflowne, you consider that person to be lower than you, or more like, it can be sort of disrespectful. You would have to say something like, "...______....ga daisuki desu". Its really complicated to explain, but the Japanese learned from a teacher (or Japanese class) and the Japanese that is heard from J-media aren't always exactly the same. Maybe the correct way to put it is, audience wise. Media are meant for the audience, so in many instance, anime, manga, movies, videogames...they won't be using correct Japanese grammer usage most of the time. There may be sentences that are missing an ending or just informal.

:lol: I wouldn't rule that out. The Japanese culuture is polite, but media-wise..not everything in there has to be polite.

I was also looking back a while ago on the Final FMV thread...though it was quite interesting, the last few lines are corrected as they should be. I don't really think that the last few lines of what Cloud say has been mistranslated. It was translated as close to the meaning as possible. I'm sorry, its kind of hard explaining Japanese grammer but maybe I'll recap it next time since I'm out of time... :cry:
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Velut Luna
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uhh...I might be blind for this but...I cant really tell if tifa has tears... :unsure:
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Son_Pan
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din mama.
Ah, yes, the premiere in Venice. i dont know about all of you, but i am SCREECHING with joy, just hearing about it. i cannot wait for those spoilers!

anyway, I'd have to agree with Anastar, 100%. Cloud isn't only angsting about meeting Aerith, you must realize, he has been through alot. I dont see it as Tifa realizes Cloud wants Aerith (which is true, IMO. lol) Tifa is just concerned about him, and as his friend, i expect her to be. So therefore, she asks him, why is there a need to dwell over somethig that happend in the past? Also, we mustn't forget the "zuru-zuru" phrase. But now that i think about it, somehow, she is relaying it more on Aerith's part. Cloud wasnt as affected by Zack's Death, as he was Aerith's. So, i suppose its a little bit of Aerith, and his past memories then? Moreso on all of his memories combined, though. something related to, "you cant stay in the past so you must step forward to the future."

just my personal opinion. my ideas sound scrambled,(can you blame me? its been a long day) but i hope everyone understands what im trying to get at. :-]

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True Serenity
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Hehe, I understand, Son_Pan!

Actually, while I was giving more thought about it, I think Tifa is just very concerned for Cloud. She really cares for him, and it's probably expected for someone to get emotional when their good friend is losing hope.. in times of peril. Cloud is just "dwelling" in the past and is feeling ashamed. I think they added her tears to show that she really is serious and cares a lot for Cloud. Tifa wouldn't cry over something personal, I guess. If she was pointing it towards Aeris's memory, she is just whining and cares more of her own feelings (which has nothing to do with the storyline). Also, in the end of FFVII, Tifa understands that Aeris is the one Cloud loves. I hope she accepts it and moves on with her life (lol); but she is not the type of girl who wouldn't bring it up again.. especially when they're endangered. I don't think Tifa would refer Aeris as only a 'memory' anyway, as I was thinking about it.. And as mentioned before, I think what Tifa said "Have we lost to a memory" meant "Has Cloud lost to a memory".

You may disagree, it's just my idea.. The way I put it into words may sound confusing, so sorry about that. :D

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Which brings up another question(s) in mind, Is Cloud 'scared' that he will lose anyone else(doesn't matter who- could be Tifa, Marlene, Barret, or anyone of his companions)? Does he think that if he continues to fight the SHM, Jenova, or Sephiroth, he will lose someone else? He already lost so much, is he scared of losing more?


I also truly agree with that idea. He might be too intimidated to fight because he thinks he might lose somebody else.. like the others he lost in the past.
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I personally think that Tifa saying "Have we lost to a memory?" means that she has lost to something/someone that has really affected Cloud so much. *coughAeriscough* Also, in the english version of the movie Tifa asks cloud "Which is it? A memory or us?" A very obvious line for me. To make things even more pleasurable (haha), it was followed by Cloud saying "But I let you die." :)
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