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Eternity; A thousand words, call out~
Topic Started: Aug 3 2005, 07:14 AM (1,360 Views)
yin-chan
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Aug 5 2005, 09:42 AM
But of course! Everyone knows that all the canon FF Relationships are just copies of Cloud and Tifa. ;)

Why, of course!!! Ah, how could I forget that!!!!
Tee hee, I should've noticed earlier. :rolleyes:
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Okay, I know a lot of you have answered this question already, but just to set this topic off.

Why did you guys like Shuyin x Lenne?

Personally, I found their story extremely touching and very interesting. The bittersweet tragedy and the way it was revealed, piece by piece, sphere by sphere, added intrigue to the story (personally, it was one of the few things that kept me really going. ;)) and kept the missions linked in a somewhat coherent manner. Also, the parallels drawn between Tidus x Yuna and Shuyin x Lenne added a layer of depth to both Tidus and his relationship with Yuna.
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Can I join? That song is very good. It is pretty sad also. But what I really hate about it is that Yuna, and Lenne look slightly similar and Shuyin and Tidus look the same besides the clothes. That is very unoriginal in FF, but meh whatever.

I like Koda Kumi's version, it had more emotion in it then Jade's. But since I can understand Jade's, I like it alot more.
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Welcome to the club Ray Chucks! :huggle:

Actually, there's a point to them looking very similar, it isn't really them being unoriginal. Yuna and Lenne's similarities are striking and without those similarites, Shuyin would've never confused Yuna for Lenne and well, Spira would've probably been destroyed. Tidus and Shuyin look very much alike for one simple reason, when Tidus was created by the fayth's dream, he was based after Shuyin, the famous blitzball player. ;)

It doesn't help that the Songstress dress sphere is actually Lenne, thus furthering the similarities. ^_^
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well, yeah, I got 100% so I know and all, but they could have gone difrent ways like having Yuna and Lenne like.......neh nvm.
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Oh no, go ahead! What's your ideas on it? ^_^
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Well, I just think they could have done something more *thinks* entertaining. They could have connected Yuna and Lenne more smoothly. The Songstress dressphere is useless, so they really had to try and fit it in, if they made the Songstress dressphere more useful and make it so in points Yuna could only wear it, then lenne would appear with her, in more far plain missions, and have it so that Shuyin..like uh was more of a fighter for lenne and with Yuna in the dressphere and stuck like that Shuyin would have to tell her things, and maybe have it so that Lenne appears making Shuyin have a daring choice each time which is making Vegnagun move, since Shuyin is controlling him (I think...that is what I got from it) and that is how the whole Vegnagun thing wraps in.

I don't know that was stupid.
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I don't think that was stupid! Actually, you made some very interesting points. :)

I do agree with you, to an extent. The Songstress dresssphere, while not necessarily useless, wasn't the most effective and was easily one of the worst-off in terms of 'usefulness'. Only allowing Yuna to wear that one costume, while an interesting idea on paper, would probably be rather impractical and has the high possibility of making quite a few gamers irritated, especially if they haven't worked on developing it and are suddenly forced to use it. ^_^

Also, I just wanted to point out that for the longest time, they didn't know who Lenne or Shuyin was. In the sphere that started off Yuna's quest, while it was actually Shuyin, for the longest time, the gamer is led to believe that it is Tidus (although it doesn't look anything like him. :lol:). Lenne doesn't appear in many Farplane missions as she isn't supposed to be able to materialize in the real world, being a spirit that's 'at peace'. Shuyin mistaking Yuna for Lenne was totally by accident and coincedince.

Shuyin has been trying to utilize Vengagun for about 1000 years now, for Lenne's sake. She had actually stopped him from using it originally and that's when they were killed, so Vengagun, is actually wrapped in quite a bit with their story. ^_^
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eh.i don't know, I don't like it all that much. well I do, but..........I have a weird feeling about it all. eh.......it was still a really good game for the first ever FF sequal. :P
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:o

ZOMGIMSTJOINJOIN!!1

I loved ShuyinxLenne, only real reason I finished the game. So, sign me up!




(Ray was banned that fast? What on Earth did he do?)
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Velut Luna
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I want to join!!!!!! :fangirl:
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Apparently AM came and visited us again. ^^;;

And welcome to the club, Dark Aura Cloud Gainsborough and flowerangel050!
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I know earlier we were on the topic of ShuLenne is relation to CloTi, so I thought I'd copy/paste this from the 'Cloud's Body Language' thread, because it explains how I feel on the subject. ^_^

Seii Monogatari
 
One thing that gets me is how clotis say that Cloud is quiet around Tifa (has his back to her and such) because he's guilty. They make up possible reasons like he's ashamed because of the Geostigma and not being there for her and the kids. But he could fight and be there for them if that's what he wanted.

From what I've seen of Square, even guilty heroes are able to face the ones they love and reach out to them. In FFX-2, Shuyin tries to find Lenne. He reaches out to Yuna when he believes that she is Lenne because even though he's ashamed and guilty, Lenne is in his heart and he wants to be with her. Cloud hasn't shown that he wants to be with Tifa. It's Aeris he's trying to reach, and she's the one he's trying to face, like Shuyin and Lenne.

Lenne and Aeris are both souls that are at peace, but they are still in contact with the ones that they love. Everything is about trying to be together again. That's why I can't understand when people compare ShuLenne to CloTi, it just doesn't add up at all.
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I totally agree with you, Seii. I love how CloTis are all OMFG LUV BEEOND DETH IZ SO UBER GHEY!!!!!!!........ WE LUV SHOOYINxLENE!!!!! :blink:

Shuyin and Lenne were dead and yet searching for a way to be together after a thousand years. And you guys really think Cloud should be past his grief/love for Aerith after only two years??? Love beyond death is okay for Shuyin and Lenne (and Tidus and Yuna) but it's not okay for Cloud and Aerith??? <_< Please... Must you CloTis be that stupid???
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I totally agree that it mirrors Cloaer much more then it could ever resemble Cloti. ^_^

But I do love this piece of artwork here, it's quite lovely. ^_^

http://www.ffartwork.com/contributions/ima...-20040726_2.jpg
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