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| yin-chan | Jul 25 2005, 11:02 AM Post #1 |
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*dreamchaser*
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I was asking my brother (who is a Cloti), why did he feel that Cloud and Tifa were the right couple in FF7? He said that it was because of the dating mechanism, he chose the more romantic options towards Tifa and not to Aeris. I argued that the default option was Aeris, and it was obvious from the game that they definitely had feelings for one another. My brother however disagreed that they had feelings for one another, but I pointed out Cloud's grief to him when Aeris died. He then said that Cloud's grief was normal for a friend, and Cloud was feeling guilty about Aeris's death in the hands of Sephy, whom Cloud was originally after. Then, I argued that if Cloud did not really feel anything for Aeris, what about the scene in Cosmo Canyon? What about the whole rescue Aeris thing? Why would he continue living in solitude for two years after FF7, and why didn't he just get with Tifa instead? He replied that Cloud was just being childish in not moving on and letting his guilt get the better of him. And the other things that he did for Aeris were just normal appropriate things that anyone would do for a friend. About the fact that Cloud didn't move in with Tifa - my brother argued that Cloud didn't move in with anyone else as well. It could just be that he just *doesn't* like Tifa as well - or he likes her but just refuses to live with her. He also argued that if you love someone, you wouldn't have to live with them. If Barret lived with Tifa, it doesn't mean he wants to marry her and have little Barrifa babies? (no offense to Sefie! )I pointed out that Cloud was living in Aeris's church but he said that just cause Cloud lives there, it doesn't mean that he is still pining for her - he might just like the atmosphere in a church. Or he might not like living in a bar. Or he might not like living in Midgar. He then said, it's not definite that Aeris had feelings for Cloud. I said that Aeris's feelings for Cloud was very obvious - she asked him to be her bodyguard, she asked him on a date, he was the only one she said goodbye to when she left. He then offered an argument that, just because she said goodbye to him doesn't mean she has feelings for him. For example, if he says goodbye to his best friend after school everyday, it doesn't mean he's in love with his best friend. I was pretty bummed cause Aeris's feelings for Cloud and vice versa had always been very obvious to me - and I don't see how anyone could prove otherwise. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or have all these theories been disproved already?
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| Anastar | Jul 25 2005, 02:56 PM Post #2 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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None of your brother's arguments are new, yin-chan. They're very typical CloTi arguments. We've discussed all of his points in other threads. Check the following forums: Evidence Against Cloud x Tifa About LT Debates Cloud and Aerith's Love Advent Children Discussion Cloud and Aerith in Advent Children You'll find all of his points discussed in different threads in those forums. If I have time later, I'll address his points here, too... or maybe someone else will feel up to it. ;) |
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| ucantmakeme | Jul 26 2005, 01:36 AM Post #3 |
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I think you disproved him by what he said. I would give anything to live with my boyfriend, and I don't think it takes 2 years to get over "just a friend." Sounds to me like he was just making up excuses as you disproved him. |
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| Anti-R | Jul 26 2005, 04:20 AM Post #4 |
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the girl who becomes a prince
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Abstaining yourself from your girlfriend for two years over a guilt over "just a friend" is a dumbest thing I have ever heard. That's so juvenile, and Cloud was what, 23 already? No offense, yin-chan's brother. Cloud must be really confident in those two years that no one will come and take Tifa away from him. |
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| Hades' Daughter | Jul 26 2005, 07:13 AM Post #5 |
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Cleris Extremist
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I know exactly what you're going through. I find it quite frustrating too when people deny the obvious- that Cloud and Aerith have a romantic relationship, and not a platonic one. I think the only way you can see them as simply being friends is if you're strongly against CloudXAerith and refuse to accept such a thing. <_< Anyway...have you tried arguing with out-of-game sources? Usually, if you're explaining your interpretation of the game, Clotis/non-Cleris fans will just counter that by saying they'd interpreted the game differently. IF your brother keeps insisting that Cloud and Aerith share nothing more than a platonic relationship, bring up Amano's romantic artwork of them. IF Cloud and Aerith were ONLY friends, what would make their friendship SO special, that Amano would spend his time doing so many artwork of THEM...and not (let's say) Cloud and Barret? They're friends too, aren't they? Also, argue with the commercial for the release of the game. In that commercial, the word "LOVE" was clearly spelled out on the screen showing Cloud lowering Aerith into the water. Similarly, the word "HATRED" was portrayed when depicting Sephiroth, and "FRIENDSHIP" was shown with Barret, Cait Sith, and companions. Why would "LOVE" be shown instead of "FRIENDSHIP" IF Cloud and Aerith were indeed just friends? That commercial was obviously approved by Square before it was aired. Bring up the AU games made by Square to further portray Cloud and Aerith's relationship and love (Kingdom Hearts, FF Tactics, and now Itadaki Street). Can any of these things be said of Cloti? Hardly, right? Cloud and Aerith's friendship would INDEED be quite important then, since Square would FAR rather spend their time focusing on THAT relationship instead of on "Cloud's LURVE for Tifa". If, after all this, your brother still believes Cloud and Aerith were ONLY friends...I suggest you just leave him alone. He is simply choosing to deny Cleris and has refused to accept the obvious, and that's okay. Afterall, it's not like there's hope for every Cloti... |
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| yin-chan | Jul 26 2005, 09:30 AM Post #6 |
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*dreamchaser*
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Thanks for the links Aly!!! ![]() *forces brother to read them all* -_- Lol, but h refused to read after seeing how many words there were. O__O *sigh, clotis....* Hades - such good points! O__O I did mention about Kingdom Hearts, but he kept saying that it was an AU. I told him about Nomura saying it would relate to Cloud and Aeris's relationship in FF7 and he couldn't counter it. ![]() Mwahahaha, the Cleris logic is one again proven it's strength! ![]() He did end the argument by saying "People who go to forums like these and have debates have no lives, including me." ^__^;; Typical Cloti argument heh. |
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| Marlene | Jul 26 2005, 05:53 PM Post #7 |
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I want to meet her there.
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I got an idea,just look at him ten years from now,and then see if he changed. |
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| Prince Roxas | Jul 26 2005, 07:26 PM Post #8 |
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Just a Nobody
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That's because Clorith fans give very detailed arguments and prove with sources and pictures while they just reply with "They are together because I say so!" I've seen it many times that they don't know how to reply once a Clorith has gave their views with so much depth. But that's why I don't get involed in things like that with them, because they won't shut up. And with the grief thing, it could take up to 20 years of more to get over it, it just all depends on the person and how they feel about it and how they must live on with what they feel. |
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