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Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 06:27 PM (1,816 Views)
Kaldea
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fantôme
*Falls and spazzes*

You are like Sephiroth reincarnated as a female, you are!
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Sefie
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And now I shall run Jinchuu through!*Runs off with mini-masamune(cuz, ya know, I'm ALOT shorter than Sephiroth)*
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Clerith-son
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I don't think that the movie should focus on the romantic themes, since as Jenova said, AC has a lot of action. But we can't forget that Love itself is one of the major themes of FFVII, and also a factor that has lured many fans.

Remember, FFVII is a story of:
War
Friendship
Love
Hatred

To be honest, the only reason for me to watch AC, is to see Cloud & Aerith together, if someone thinks I'm an idiot for this, I COUDN'T CARE LESS. I don't want the movie to be cheesy either. I want the love factor to run in the background, in order to be important, but also to not eclipse the other big and important factors.
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Kaldea
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Aug 22 2005, 08:59 PM
And now I shall run Jinchuu through!*Runs off with mini-masamune(cuz, ya know, I'm ALOT shorter than Sephiroth)*

:lmao:

Jinchuu is 6'3". *Shifty eyes*


And that's cool, Clerith-Son. My reason for watching it is to see more of Cloud's story. I'd just be disappointed that if he ends up single and people watch it JUST to see him end up with someone, they will hate it even if it does have a good story.
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Clerith-son
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I'd just be disappointed that if he ends up single and people watch it JUST to see him end up with someone, they will hate it even if it does have a good story.

Well, that depends:
1. If he ends up alone, but the way he acts at the end is not OOC, then I wouldn't care. Also if the whole movie plot is good, I wouldn't care either.

2. If he ends up alone just to not dissapoint the whole fandom, and the way he acts is different from his ways, then it would totally suck.

I'm all in all to see him die, for me that would be the perfect ending, for the type of character that Cloud is. It seems now that he won't die, but I lose nothing for hoping for it.
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Sefie
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Um..*Brings a step stool along*


There we go Clerith-son! EXACTLY what I was trying to express! See how illness affects poor widdle Sefie's mind?
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fight the power
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This post was originally intended to invalidate the spoiler in the post above, but perhaps going into the details just made things worse. Sorry.
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Kaldea
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*Points to the spoiler section*
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Hades' Daughter
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*Searches the forum for a CLOUD MUST LIVE club* :P

*gasps* A debate? :woot: *tries to fuel the fire*

Clerith-son:
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But we can't forget that Love itself is one of the major themes of FFVII, and also a factor that has lured many fans.

Remember, FFVII is a story of:
War
Friendship
Love
Hatred


I completely agree with you. The theme of love was a bit blurred because of the LT, and because it wasn't as obvious (within the game) as it was with the other games in the series. However, I believe love has much to do with VII's storyline and runs hand in hand with its other themes. As for the LT being left up to player interpretation...I'd have to say I don't exactly agree. Square does way too much with Cleris marketing VS Cloti marketing for me to believe that they're neutral, and that the LT had been intentionally left open-ended.

I do think though, that it's likely Cloud will end up single in AC...just because I believe he loves only Aerith and since she's dead...he obviously won't be "getting with her" (unless Square answers my prayers by reviving her :D). Also, I think this whole argument over the LT has gone too far beyond Square's control. There's no way they'd want to step in now to officially pair Cloud up with anyone. They'll just keep "hinting" it in AU games such as KH, Tactics, and Itadaki street. :fangirl:


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I want the love factor to run in the background, in order to be important, but also to not eclipse the other big and important factors.


Don't worry...
Just as in the game, I'm sure all the different themes will continue to run together in AC just fine.
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yin-chan
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Oh for the love of god, PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN THE SPOILER FORUM or at least have the decency to hide it with Spoiler tags!!!!!! :mad:
<_< There is a reason why the spoiler forums exist!! So that those of us who don't want to be spoiled don't go there!!!!!! *the anger* <_<

Anyways...

I agree completely that the STORYline should definitely be more important than who Cloud ends up with, but I do want the LT to be resolved as well. All in good time, they can resolve both in the movie (hopefully). It's been left open to interpretation for 8 years, surely it's about time to resolve it.
So I'm with Sefie in that I want both the storyline to be something of substance as well as the love triangle! Love is a part of FF, accept it or not, so I'm all for it happening in AC as well.

And there ends my two cents. *still fuming about the spoiler* :cry:
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fight the power
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Come to think of it, the reason why I cared about the love story in FF7 is because it was done so modestly. In every FF game since, the hero's romance has been an overblown and predictable course set straight for an uninterupted coupling...and I couldn't give less of a damn about any of them. For this reason, I think the LTD should be resolved in AC, because by having FF7 take such a subtle approach to it, Square has actually properly developed the love story for a change, thus earning the right to let it become fully realized. And after waiting in such delicious agony for a resolution, well, I think we've earned the right to see it. Also, I think Cloud, unlike the other FF punks, has earned the right to a little personal happiness after proving that he can act selflessly (Could Zidane do that? Puh-leeze!).
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Anastar
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Hades' Daughter
Aug 23 2005, 06:27 AM
As for the LT being left up to player interpretation...I'd have to say I don't exactly agree.  Square does way too much with Cleris marketing VS Cloti marketing for me to believe that they're neutral, and that the LT had been intentionally left open-ended.

I just find it hard to believe that Square intended the Love Triangle to be conclusive, since they never had Cloud embrace or kiss a girl (except in the Play, where he kisses both Aerith and Tifa's hand), and never had Cloud say, "I love you" to either girl. Without a conclusive scene like the Moonglow lake scene, how can we be sure that it wasn't left up to interpretation? If Square wanted to make it conclusive who Cloud loved, I don't think SE would have left room for different interpretations. There would be no LT debates because there would be a conclusive scene in FFVII that would leave no doubt about who Cloud loved.

However, I do think there's far more evidence in favor of Cloud loving Aerith, both in FFVII and in other games like KH, FF Tactics, and Itadaki Street.

Hades' Daughter
 
I do think though, that it's likely Cloud will end up single in AC...just because I believe he loves only Aerith and since she's dead...he obviously won't be "getting with her" (unless Square answers my prayers by reviving her  :D).

Or unless Cloud dies. I think that'd be the best conclusion to Cloud's story, and I don't think the possibility of his death has been ruled out at all. I'd prefer that Aerith be revived, but I just don't think it'll happen in AC. I also see Cloud ending up single as being a perfectly reasonable conclusion. He doesn't need to end up with anyone.

Hades' Daughter
 
Also, I think this whole argument over the LT has gone too far beyond Square's control.  There's no way they'd want to step in now to officially pair Cloud up with anyone.  They'll just keep "hinting" it in AU games such as KH, Tactics, and Itadaki street.    :fangirl:

Yep, I agree. If Square leaves it inconclusive, then we have to assume that they intended FFVII to be inconclusive. That doesn't mean, however, that the FFVII team didn't have a preference. I remember Nomura stating in one interview that he knew who Cloud loved, so they definitely have an opinion. I think the "hints" in other games show us which couple the FFVII team prefers. ;)
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Hades' Daughter
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I just find it hard to believe that Square intended the Love Triangle to be conclusive, since they never had Cloud embrace or kiss a girl (except in the Play, where he kisses both Aerith and Tifa's hand), and never had Cloud say, "I love you" to either girl. Without a conclusive scene like the Moonglow lake scene, how can we be sure that it wasn't left up to interpretation? If Square wanted to make it conclusive who Cloud loved, I don't think SE would have left room for different interpretations. There would be no LT debates because there would be a conclusive scene in FFVII that would leave no doubt about who Cloud loved.


Personally, I saw something of a conclusion to the LT when Cloud decided to go search for Aerith and Tifa accepted his decision. Other people didn't see that. I do agree though, that the game did not clearly spell out who Cloud loves with an "I love you" or a kissing scene. It's why I believe the game was conclusive...but that perhaps it just wasn't obvious enough for everyone to see. Similarely, how do we know the game WAS left up to interpretation? How do we know SE meant to leave room for different interpretations? The fact that Square has been promoting only CloudXAerith in AU games sure doesn't support that idea. It's also a fact that later on games in the series no longer have LTs, and contain more obvious love scenes. Just because different interpretations exist, doesn't necessarely mean everyone of them is right. Besides, there are tons of contributing factors as to why people may interpret things differently. First of all, cultural barrier is a big issue. I know this happens quite often only because I'm an Asian American, first generation. Secondly, not every player will see everything a writer wants them to see. I'm not saying I'm right and that everyone else is wrong. However, I'm just saying that I believe what I believe because I do have a reason. As I've been saying...either Square is trying to help indicate who the true pairing of VII is...OR... IF they'd intended the LT to be totally left up to player interpretation, then for some odd reason, they're very much favoring the Cleris fans over the Cloti ones. :)

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Or unless Cloud dies. I think that'd be the best conclusion to Cloud's story, and I don't think the possibility of his death has been ruled out at all.


CLOUD MUST LIVE!!! :P
Meh...if he dies, I'll be sad...but at least he'll end up with Aerith. Then again, it's why I don't think he'll die. If he dies, then there will definitely be a clear "I hope you people can FINALLY see who the intended pairing is" conclusion to the LT and I don't think Square will be doing that...not when they're aiming to make money off their fans.

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If Square leaves it inconclusive, then we have to assume that they intended FFVII to be inconclusive. That doesn't mean, however, that the FFVII team didn't have a preference. I remember Nomura stating in one interview that he knew who Cloud loved, so they definitely have an opinion. I think the "hints" in other games show us which couple the FFVII team prefers.


I remember seeing Nomura's quote there somewhere too. I just find it strange that Square would leave the LT inconclusive if they have a preference or if Nomura knows who Cloud loves. Making CloudXAerith video games while making zero for CloudXTifa isn't very convincing nor does it make much sense to me IF their intention had been to leave the LT completely up to the players.

Ah well...since Square is too concerned about their fans to come out and say anything conclusive, we can all certainly continue to believe whatever it is that we believe.
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Meh...if he dies, I'll be sad...but at least he'll end up with Aerith. Then again, it's why I don't think he'll die. If he dies, then there will definitely be a clear "I hope you people can FINALLY see who the intended pairing is" conclusion to the LT and I don't think Square will be doing that...not when they're aiming to make money off their fans.


Why should his dying only be about being with Aeris? I mean, yeah I like the fact that he'd likely be with Aeris, but I'd like the death for the fact it'd make such a dramatic ending. Seeing how rare it is for the hero to die at the end, I love the idea of them using it. They have the chance to use it for a very bittersweet ending, rather than in most cases where it's depressing.

I think that it is necessary to have something conclusive for the LT, even to say that he'll be single. If this is supposed to be the ending of Cloud's story, we need to know that, and know where he will end up.

I really want something dramatic that will get people talking, not just a new enemy to fight and defeat. The story needs to be expanded, not just the fight. Cloud's love life, or lack of it, is one of the points that should be included.
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Hades' Daughter
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We're all very good at getting off topic... :blush:

Tacofoolio:
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Why should his dying only be about being with Aeris? I mean, yeah I like the fact that he'd likely be with Aeris, but I'd like the death for the fact it'd make such a dramatic ending. Seeing how rare it is for the hero to die at the end, I love the idea of them using it.


I didn't mean that his death would only be about Aerith. I was just pointing out that Clotis would be upset over a "cloud dies" ending because that would indicate Cloud ending up with Aerith. I'm just not really sure Square would do that when they're so concerned about all of their fans. I think this is all just preferences really, and Square could probably make it work either way depending on how they do it, of course.

Personally, I just don't really care to see a story where Cloud dies. I guess tragic stories where all the heroes end up dying just don't appeal to me as much. Neither do I want to see another Romeo and Juliet movie. What I do want to see though is Cloud suffering his depression, overcoming all of that, finally being at peace with himself, and then living on and continuing to fight for the planet Aerith gave her life for. I wouldn't want to see Cloud overcome his angst just to get killed by Sephiroth in the final battle. Honestly, I think I might be slightly disappointed if he did... *hides from CLOUD MUST DIE members*

I also want to see the concept of spiritual love portrayed in the movie, because death shouldn't be a barrier to their love. I'm tired of hearing Clotis say that Cloud and Aerith can never be together because she's dead and not available. As Cloud continues to protect the planet, Aerith would always remain by his side watching over and protecting him. Cloud would realize that she's always with him and that they would be able to meet everytime he closes his eyes. :fangirl:

I think that would be a touching ending...sad...yet happy at the same time.

...must have "Cloud kicks Sephy's butt" and "spiritual love" story... :sad:

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