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| Memories; Aerith's memories, our memories... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 12 2005, 12:14 AM (986 Views) | |
| Clerith-son | May 15 2005, 12:26 AM Post #16 |
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In the middle of dawn. Staring at the twilights.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think that your perspective is wrong. I think that in FFVII memories can be somehow conected with souls as you said, but there's no way to prove it. I honestly, don't have the slightest idea, what does Aerith's, or their memories have to do, with the Planet, giving Cloud an answer. I do think that there must be some key regarding memories, but that's something really difficult to pull out, since, as many things in FFVII, there can be a lot of interpretations about it. Even so, I still belive Sephiroth will return, and that will have a final showdown with Cloud. BTW, once Plato said, that humans had a divine origin, that they lived in some Perfect Place, an Ideal Place, but, because of sins some of them eventually fall into a Rotten Rmage of that Ideal Place, that Rotten Image, is our world. Those who felt into this world, forgot everything about their lifes in that Ideal Place, but that deep within them, they had "MEMORIES" of that Ideal Place, since they borned in the Rotten Image, and by fully remembering those memories, they could find the way to return to that Ideal Place. |
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| Anastar | May 15 2005, 03:01 AM Post #17 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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No, there's no way of proving it... yet. However, I just find it way too coincidental that memories were brought up as often as they were in FFVII - especially during the final scenes - and that memories also seem to be significant in AC. We may have to wait to see what the connection is, but I really think it may play out in AC. |
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| Buhon | May 15 2005, 04:08 AM Post #18 |
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ahhh... excellent addition of quotes flowerangel and Materia Thief... I'm becoming more and more convinced that the concept of Memory serves as some sort of euphemism about death and the afterlife in the world of FF7. Beyond that, I really don't know what to add, lol. It'll be interesting to see how this concept ties in with Aerith and Sephiroth's post-death presence in AC, and if this may have something to do with Cloud finding the Promised Land... and Aerith. Maybe it'll confirm Cloud's love for Kadaj after all? :lol: |
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| Clerith-son | May 16 2005, 12:49 AM Post #19 |
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In the middle of dawn. Staring at the twilights.
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I was having some thoughts on this quote: Cloud: "Aerith's memories... Our memories..." "We came... to tell you... our memories... Come Planet! Show us your answer!" Cloud says OUR memories, right? That they are going to tell the Planet THEIR memories, in order for the Planet to give them an answer. But: How does Cloud knows that the others want an answer from the Planet? * Barret is fighting for Marlene, and for the sake of Jesee, Biggs, Wedge, Dyne, and his family & friends in North Corel. * Tifa, Red XIII, Cid and Yuffie for the ones that are important to them. * Vincent to stop what he couldn't stop before, even if he can't have Lucrecia back, at least he can stop Sephitoth. * And Cait Sith (Reeve), because he got involved with the team, and in the fight, he wants to do his good deeds. I never saw anyone besides Cloud, asking the Planet for an answer. Also the only one to get an answer, was Cloud. I think that he uses the word WE or US as a shield, for not telling that is only HE, the one who's interested, like in this quote: Aerith: "I'm...... alone..... I'm all alone now..." Cloud: "But I'm..... we're here for you, right?" See, how he uses the word WE as a shield for not showing that he was the one who was intererested. I think that the speech in the Lifestream, really meant this: Cloud: "Aerith's memories... My memories..." "I came... to tell you... our (His and Aerith's) memories... Come Planet! Show me your answer!" That's why he got the answer of, HIM (Cloud) meeting HER (Aerith) again, at the Promised Land. Well, this was just speculation, but I think it's pretty accurate.
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| Kusari Yarou | May 16 2005, 05:13 AM Post #20 |
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I like that theory, Clerith-son. You have brought up some very good ones! My take on the memories quote is not as deep as everybody's. I always thought it had something to do with coming to terms with all of their pasts. Most of the Avalanche members had tragic pasts and as facing off with Sephiroth was the supposed 'final reckoning', it's like they were all victims of tragedy and all wanted an 'answer' for what they went through. Cloud knows what they all went through and he himself knows what he went through(the most severe being losing Aerith) and so he cried out to the Planet for an answer...he served as the 'voice' for all of them since he was the leader. |
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| Kaldea | May 16 2005, 05:49 AM Post #21 |
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I think it all just ties into the fact that no one is ever really dead if their memories live on in their hearts. They will always be alive to them no matter what. That's why memories are so important. Nothing is ever lost as long as the memories live on. |
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| Clerith-son | May 16 2005, 06:05 AM Post #22 |
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That's an excellent point of view CG, but remember that there are Memories that you can have in your mind for some time and them forget them, the Memories that you keep in your heart forever are the ones, that were created from experiences that took your feelings to the edge, and made you feel as good or as bad as possible. But even so, this doesn't explain what does Memories have to do, with the Planet giving an answer to Cloud, lol. |
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| Miss Yukari | May 20 2005, 12:45 AM Post #23 |
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I've always wondered what Cloud really meant by that speech. I interpreted it in the same way you did, Kusari, but I also felt that Cloud wanted something of an acknowledgement from the Planet. It reminded me of when Tifa asks 'Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how hard we are fighting for them?' I think that was part of it, the memories of how they'd come so far. Maybe Cloud wanted the Planet to acknowledge how difficult their journey had been, and how they were still fighting for it. Maybe he wanted the Planet to tell him whether it was all worth it, and whether Aerith's sacrifice would be in vain as Holy was being blocked by Sephiroth. I also think that Cloud's memories made him stronger. Maybe the reason that he was able to beat Sephiroth was because of the power and confidence his memories gave him. His memory of Aerith would have spurred him on - he'd want to take revenge for her. His memories of everything he'd been through would strengthen his resolve too, especially his memories of being a 'faliure'. By beating Sephiroth, he'd no longer be the faliure he was before. It could be that he wanted to show all of this to the Planet, and then he'd feel worthy of an answer regarding the Promised Land and Aerith. |
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