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By Sephiroth's Hand
Topic Started: Mar 8 2005, 07:12 PM (1,559 Views)
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TidusBlankety
Mar 30 2005, 12:48 AM
maybe...but what we search for it...for? the only reasoning i have is that he would look for it to find aeris, since she said that when people die they all return to the promise land, is cloud going theer to see aeris?

Didn't Cloud say, "I think I can meet her... there?" at the end of the game? That implies to me that he intends to search for the Promised Land in order to find Aerith.
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that makes sense to me. Yeah so im rpetty sure cloud would go find aersi in the promise land and then purpose tp her! xD
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Buhon
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Mar 30 2005, 01:30 AM

Didn't Cloud say, "I think I can meet her... there?" at the end of the game? That implies to me that he intends to search for the Promised Land in order to find Aerith.

That was my interpretation from day 1 as well. I always had assumed that the epilogue to FF7 (if there ever was to be one) would have something to do with Cloud searching for the Promised Land to be with his Emerald-eyed girl (and added to my my musings of whether or not Cloud was Cetra himself or not...).
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Buhon
Mar 30 2005, 06:07 AM
That was my interpretation from day 1 as well. I always had assumed that the epilogue to FF7 (if there ever was to be one) would have something to do with Cloud searching for the Promised Land to be with his Emerald-eyed girl (and added to my my musings of whether or not Cloud was Cetra himself or not...).

I think Cloud had a long way to go before actually becoming Cetra. However, he did spend all that time in the Lifestream, and he also spent five years being infused with Mako in Hojo's lab. The doctor in Mideel said that a great deal of Mako-enhanced knowledge had been dumped into Cloud's brain. In the Temple of Ancients, Sephiroth said that he himself had absorbed the knowledge of the Ancients while floating in the Lifestream. So, I think it's very possible that Cloud may have absorbed at least some of the knowledge of the Ancients from the Lifestream.

Would that make it possible for Cloud to communicate with Aerith? Have you noticed that only Cloud seems able to communicate with Aerith now? Is that why? :unsure:
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Buhon
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Mar 30 2005, 06:58 AM

Would that make it possible for Cloud to communicate with Aerith? Have you noticed that only Cloud seems able to communicate with Aerith now? Is that why? :unsure:

Tsk tsk tsk... oh Aly Aly, have you forgotten our old discussions about this topic already? :rolleyes:

Yes, I would certainly agree with that statement, though I would point out that even before the Lifestream event, Cloud is the only one that seems to be able to confer with her telepathically, through dreams, etc. I know you mentioned that it's actually more often situations where SHE is talking to HIM... but it strikes me that, considering Aerith's personality, if anyone could be the receiver (such as the dream sequence in the forest before the Forgotten City), why would she only talk to Cloud? It seems that, if she could, she'd send a message to everyone. But she always seemed to only communicate directly to Cloud/via Cloud. There's a romantic element, no doubt, but it struck me that there was an underlying suggested insight into Cloud's background in there too. This is just one of several reasons why I think this... lol.

But, I could be way off the mark. Who knows? It'd be cool twist, anyway...
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Buhon
Mar 30 2005, 07:24 AM
Tsk tsk tsk... oh Aly Aly, have you forgotten our old discussions about this topic already?  :rolleyes:

Yes, I would certainly agree with that statement, though I would point out that even before the Lifestream event, Cloud is the only one that seems to be able to confer with her telepathically, through dreams, etc.  I know you mentioned that it's actually more often situations where SHE is talking to HIM... but it strikes me that, considering Aerith's personality, if anyone could be the receiver (such as the dream sequence in the forest before the Forgotten City), why would she only talk to Cloud?  It seems that, if she could, she'd send a message to everyone.  But she always seemed to only communicate directly to Cloud/via Cloud.  There's a romantic element, no doubt, but it struck me that there was an underlying suggested insight into Cloud's background in there too.  This is just one of several reasons why I think this... lol.

No, I haven't forgotten our discussions about this. :lol: :P

You make a good point about Cloud and Aerith communicating with one another before her death. It didn't just happen in the Sleeping Forest - it also happened when Cloud woke up in the middle of the night in the Forgotten City saying that he knew Aerith was there because he could feel it in his soul. When they went outside the spiral shaped house, Cloud also heard her voice coming from a distance that prevented actual sensory input. I've always taken those instances to speak of a romantic connection, more than anything.

Yet, those instances were all before her death. I guess I was thinking in terms of how Cloud is able to communicate with and hear Aerith's spirit after her death. We know that the Cetra are able to speak to spirits, since Aerith was able to speak to Ifalna. Is the love connection making it possible for Cloud to hear Aerith now, or is it because Cloud absorbed the knowledge of the Ancients while he was in the Lifestream? Or is it a combination of both?
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Buhon
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Mar 30 2005, 12:29 PM

Yet, those instances were all before her death. I guess I was thinking in terms of how Cloud is able to communicate with and hear Aerith's spirit after her death. We know that the Cetra are able to speak to spirits, since Aerith was able to speak to Ifalna. Is the love connection making it possible for Cloud to hear Aerith now, or is it because Cloud absorbed the knowledge of the Ancients while he was in the Lifestream? Or is it a combination of both?

Well, personally I would definitely say a combination of both. Or a combination of love and Cloud's latent abilities as a half-breed Cetra himself ;) - abilities that Cloud does not realise he has, or has control over (but Aerith does, no doubt). Perhaps Cloud "forgiving" himself and absolving himself of all this guilt (a lifelong problem of Cloud's, come to think of it) may lead to Cloud "rediscovering" himself - which would allow him to find the Promised Land and to our favorite emerald-eyed girl. Well, that scenario can apply to him both being a natural Cetra, and him absorbing the knowledge of the Ancients while in the Lifestream. Anyway, just my musings. Your thoughts? (or anyone elses as well?)
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I dunno... I find it hard to believe that Cloud is even half-Cetra. You have to remember that Aerith herself is only half-Cetra, yet she was quite aware of her abilities. For example, look at Aerith's reaction when they got to the Temple of Ancients:

(Cloud arrives at the Temple of the Ancients. Aerith stands on the rope bridge before it, then falls to the ground.)
Aerith "This is... the Temple of the Ancients..." "I... I know... I feel it... the knowledge of the Ancients.. floating..." "You could become one with the Planet, but you're stopping it with the strength of will." "For the future? For us?"


Aerith didn't have to "do" anything to suddenly sense the guardian spirits at the Temple. She simply heard them in her mind. The spirits spoke to Aerith several times while she was there. If Cloud was half-Cetra like Aerith, why didn't he hear the spirits, too? :unsure:
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Buhon
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My answer to that would be that being injected with Jenova cells may have had something to do with it. Or perhaps Cloud's negative self-image helped to "subvert" it all his life - Aerith is a rather upbeat character, where as Cloud... well... isn't. Perhaps that makes the difference? Anyway, mere speculation...

Regardless, whether it's a case of Cloud's heritage or beings drenched in Mako energy - I get the sneaking suspicion that there'll be "something" about Cloud himself that will be central to the curing of Geostigma, saving of the children/planet, and possible contact/reunion with Aerith.

Any thoughts?
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You do make a good point. But I really think if you remember that her Materis that "does nothing" could possibly revive her if Cloud actually ventures down to the bottom of the lake in the city of ancients and grabs it when it fell. Because in the game Aeris always talks about the next time so I think she knew she was going to die then come back. Or something. But I do think cloud will have some major part in it all.
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Apr 1 2005, 06:20 AM
My answer to that would be that being injected with Jenova cells may have had something to do with it.  Or perhaps Cloud's negative self-image helped to "subvert" it all his life - Aerith is a rather upbeat character, where as Cloud... well... isn't.  Perhaps that makes the difference?  Anyway, mere speculation...

It's hard to say, since neither Aerith or Ifalna were injected with Jenova cells - at least, we were never told that they were. Some of the Cetra were mind controlled by Jenova, but others weren't. It's often ignored that some of the Cetra actually entrapped Jenova and contained her in that geological stratum, so some of the Cetra weren't mind-controlled by Jenova and survived. It's likely that the few remaining descendants of the Cetra who survived had the ability to resist Jenova's mind control.

Buhon
 
Regardless, whether it's a case of Cloud's heritage or beings drenched in Mako energy - I get the sneaking suspicion that there'll be "something" about Cloud himself that will be central to the curing of Geostigma, saving of the children/planet, and possible contact/reunion with Aerith.

I'm not so sure that Geostigma will be cured. :lol: Unless the trailers haven't told us everything, it only seems that a few people have it: Cloud, the WCM, and the orphans. Will everything be risked in order to save just a few people? Is the Planet actually threatened by Geostigma, or just a few people? :unsure:

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But I really think if you remember that her Materis that "does nothing" could possibly revive her if Cloud actually ventures down to the bottom of the lake in the city of ancients and grabs it when it fell.

Her materia that "does nothing" turned out to be the white materia. Aerith didn't know about its use at the time she told Cloud that it "does nothing". It wasn't until later that she learned it was the anti-thesis of the black materia. The white materia was already used. If the white materia was able to revive her, I think that Aerith would already have been revived.... unfortunately. :(
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well idk about that revival part, she did drop it at the time of her death, so she technically no longer had it equipped, so its abilities would not have been able to take effet unless it was equipped to her, so...
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Apr 2 2005, 06:58 PM
well idk about that revival part, she did drop it at the time of her death, so she technically no longer had it equipped, so its abilities would not have been able to take effet unless it was equipped to her, so...

But it was equipped to Aerith at the time she used it to summon Holy. It was necessary for her soul to return to the Planet before Holy appeared, though. If Holy requires that the summoner's soul returns to the Planet, why would we expect it to revive her? Would Aerith want someone to die in order to get her resurrected?
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Since this topic is kind of going all over the place, I just decided to mention something (Since the image is about the afterness of Aeris being killed by Sephiroth's Hand!)

Some of the arguments/debates say that when Tifa was slashed (i don't think she was stabbed. :ermm:), Cloud didn't stop to even check on her which leads to my conclusion 'he didn't really care/have time to care', nor was he upset, or even feeling the slighest bit of sadness/pain toward what had happened to her (at the time of the incident). even though he did say he thought she was a goner he still didn't do squat.. 'cept move her aside.. since she was blocking the stairs. to sephiroth!! <_<. Which brings me to this:

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Instead of 'not really caring/having no time to care', moving her aside ASAP, he held her in his arms, and his anger and sadness seemed to rage at this point. =O Hmm.. seems he's never felt such a great deal of pain.. he didn't even know what it was (I guess he couldn't describe how he felt.)

Anyway, I'm not sure if any of this is making sense. It kind of is repeating what others had said, but there's a picture.. which gives it a bit more proof on the feelings Cloud felt/had with Tifa's injuries and Aeris's death.
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Cloud thought Tifa died, that's why he was shouting "Mom! My Hometown, Tifa... bring them back!!!" when he stabbed Sephiroth from behind. It also didn't help when he replied to her "I thought you were a goner, I was really sad." when she inquired how she was badly cut.

When Aerith fell, Cloud really lets go. He held her close and cried, even when Spehy was posing behind him with his giant sword.
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