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By Sephiroth's Hand
Topic Started: Mar 8 2005, 07:12 PM (1,560 Views)
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Well when Cloud said "I want to join SOLDIER, then become a great hero like Sephiroth!"

Tifa merely swing her legs and reply "The great Sephiroth..." she doesn't sound enthusiastic at all by his declaration.

I guess in a way she resented ShinRa for taking away the few people that live in Nibelheim...
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Actually, I think she probably was in awe. Back then Sephiroth was more of a hero, and I think that she trailed off because she was amazed that Cloud would want to try to be someone like him, with so much power and fame. I get the feeling that she probably idolized Sephiroth as well and had a crush on him in the way kids today crush on movie stars and such. But that's simply my opinion.
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I dunno, when Tifa DID get to see Sephiroth, she literally bolted. Certainly not a potential groupie would do...
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Mar 21 2005, 08:15 PM
Actually, I think she probably was in awe. Back then Sephiroth was more of a hero, and I think that she trailed off because she was amazed that Cloud would want to try to be someone like him, with so much power and fame. I get the feeling that she probably idolized Sephiroth as well and had a crush on him in the way kids today crush on movie stars and such. But that's simply my opinion.

That's the way I saw it, too, Tacofoolio. I was under the impression that she ran away because she was waiting for Cloud to show, and she didn't think he was there.

Ye know, the Cloti's try to say that Cloud hid under his helmet because he didn't want Tifa to know that he hadn't made it into SOLDIER. If Cloud didn't want Tifa to know, then why did he go to her house? :lol: Plus, Cloud said that he hid under his helmet because he didn't want anyone in town to know. So I don't think he was hiding under his helmet because of Tifa.

Cloud cares that the town doesn't learn that he didn't make it into SOLDIER so he hides under his helmet, but he doesn't care if Tifa learns he didn't make it into SOLDIER coz he goes to visit her house. Doesn't that mean that Cloud tried to join SOLDIER primarily for recognition by the town rather than for Tifa?
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Hm, that is a good point. Haven't thought of that...
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Mar 22 2005, 12:19 PM
Tacofoolio
Mar 21 2005, 08:15 PM
Actually, I think she probably was in awe. Back then Sephiroth was more of a hero, and I think that she trailed off because she was amazed that Cloud would want to try to be someone like him, with so much power and fame. I get the feeling that she probably idolized Sephiroth as well and had a crush on him in the way kids today crush on movie stars and such. But that's simply my opinion.

That's the way I saw it, too, Tacofoolio. I was under the impression that she ran away because she was waiting for Cloud to show, and she didn't think he was there.

Ye know, the Cloti's try to say that Cloud hid under his helmet because he didn't want Tifa to know that he hadn't made it into SOLDIER. If Cloud didn't want Tifa to know, then why did he go to her house? :lol: Plus, Cloud said that he hid under his helmet because he didn't want anyone in town to know. So I don't think he was hiding under his helmet because of Tifa.

Cloud cares that the town doesn't learn that he didn't make it into SOLDIER so he hides under his helmet, but he doesn't care if Tifa learns he didn't make it into SOLDIER coz he goes to visit her house. Doesn't that mean that Cloud tried to join SOLDIER primarily for recognition by the town rather than for Tifa?

Yeah. That's true. He had told everyone that he going to join SOLDIER and when he didn't and ended up as a measly trooper, the humiliation was just too much for him. He couldn't face either the town or Tifa.

Poor guy... :unsure:
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Buhon
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Excellent points everyone

Just to backtrack on the conversation a bit -

I've never had a problem with the idea that Cloud had a crush on Tifa back in the Nibelheim days. In fact, I think he did, to a degree, and I think it was hinted at somewhat in many of the scenes that everyone has discussed. I think Cloud's boyhood "cush" on Tifa had a part to play in his desire to be noticed (by her or anyone else in Nibelheim), to find acceptance, as well as his guilt over her falling off the bridge. However, the "crush" was nothing at all like how many Cloti's see it. I think they blow it way out of proportion, since they seem to see it as the MAIN focus of the flashbacks and some sort of "foreshadowing" of their "eternal love". All potential evidence for it in the game is only in reference to their childhood/teenage years, and there is absolutely NO suggestion that Cloud thought much one way or the other about Tifa in his subsequent years in SOLDIER... at least until he returned to Nibelheim with Sephiroth (and I wasn't struck by any suggestion that he had any romantic interests in her then). In general, it seemed to me that there was a role reversal over time - Cloud becomes less interested in Tifa, and Tifa becomes more interested in Cloud. Also, Crush or not, it struck me that the Lifestream event and other instances of Cloud and Tifa mutually brainstorming over past memories had more to do with both of them coming to terms with painful co-associated memories from their childhoods than it was confirming their "feelings" for each other.

Just a thought - after the incident when Sephiroth destroyed Nibelheim, if Cloud thought that Tifa had been killed, how long had he been under that impression until he found out that she was actually alive? How many years was it between the Nibelheim incident and when Cloud arrived in Midgar after escaping from the Shinra Mansion?
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Well, Cloud gets to see Tifa again in the train station. He recognized her immediately, and Tifa didn't (which is a big huh for me, since his hairdo literally stands out).

I guess his memories were jumbled until he gave his story to Tifa. This was then she realized that something was wrong with him.

Interestingly enough according to Tifa, Cloud was planning to leave soon (and this was why I also don't think of them as a couple), and she was forced to tell him about AVALANCHE, and since Cloud was influenced by Zack on the whole mercenary thing he accepted to join them as one.
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Mar 27 2005, 11:23 AM
Just a thought - after the incident when Sephiroth destroyed Nibelheim, if Cloud thought that Tifa had been killed, how long had he been under that impression until he found out that she was actually alive? How many years was it between the Nibelheim incident and when Cloud arrived in Midgar after escaping from the Shinra Mansion?

Cloud was under the impression that Tifa had been killed for five years. That's how long he and Zack were in Hojo's lab.

The Cloti's try to claim that Cloud was unconscious in a tube of Mako all that time, which is preposterous. Being in a tube of Mako for that length of time would kill him. He obviously wasn't unconscious all that time, either, because he and Zack communicated with one another to plan their escape from the lab. They communicated by scratching on the side of beakers in the lab, and the scratches can be seen. So Cloud wasn't unconscious all that time.

Buhon - I'm going to copy part of what you said into the thread about Cloud's "crush" on Tifa, coz you have some interesting thoughts on it. I hope you don't mind. :rolleyes: The thread is here: A Crush on Tifa?

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Interestingly enough according to Tifa, Cloud was planning to leave soon (and this was why I also don't think of them as a couple), and she was forced to tell him about AVALANCHE, and since Cloud was influenced by Zack on the whole mercenary thing he accepted to join them as one.

That's right... Cloud said more than once that he was planning to leave. At one point, he tells Tifa, "As soon as I get paid, I'm outta here". And after the Reunion, Tifa says this:

"But then I heard... you were going far away..."
(The screen finally goes to black.)
Tifa "And I didn't want that..." "I didn't know what to do. So, I thought I needed more time." "And that's why I told you about the AVALANCHE job."


But then she heard that Cloud was going away. Who would tell her that Cloud was going far away? :unsure: Why would he go far away if they were a couple in love? That's not the only point in the script where Tifa says that, either. She also says it in Cosmo Canyon.

Tifa "It feels like... It feels like you're going far away..."

Why would Tifa say that in Cosmo Canyon, and why does she repeat it later (after the Reunion)? :unsure: Could this be a foreshadowing that Cloud will leave her at some point to go to the Promised Land?
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Mar 27 2005, 04:25 PM
Tifa "It feels like... It feels like you're going far away..."

Why would Tifa say that in Cosmo Canyon, and why does she repeat it later (after the Reunion)? :unsure: Could this be a foreshadowing that Cloud will leave her at some point to go to the Promised Land?

It could also mean that she and Cloud are drifting apart. By the time they arrived in Cosmo Canyon, Cloud had already began to care for Aerith. Perhaps Tifa recognized this? :ermm:
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In general, it seemed to me that there was a role reversal over time - Cloud becomes less interested in Tifa, and Tifa becomes more interested in Cloud.

Personally, I feel like that's one of the examples of irony in FFVII. By the time Tifa's interested in Cloud, he's moved on.
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I am totally 100%ly(hundred percently) going to have to say, Cloud officialy loved Aeris, not Tifa. Tifa was his childhood friend, they were like close friends, but Cloud didn't really seem to like her as anything more. Cloud however seemed to like Aeris since day one.

Cloud - Tifa in a nutshell: *flash back* "ouch i got hit with masamune!*falls down stairs*" "oh hi tifa!...sephiroth!?" "Hi Im sephiroth Im obssed with my mother!" "cloud?" "wop watch out tifa i dont want to step on you * moves tifa* stay here" "ya cause I can so move away!" "Here i come sephy!"

....owned...tifa got owned....

Cloud - Aeris in a nutshell: :aeris: "HI Im aeris!" :cloud: "................................." "help cloud ive been captured!" "Ill save you!" *after sving aeris* "thanks for saving me!" "No problem im a good guy! ahahahahahaha!" *later at gold saucer* "Cloud I lvoe you" "....(yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss)" *later at temple of ancients* "Hi im cait saith and your totally marrying aeris!" "yessssssssssssssssssssssss" "finally im dating the man I love!" :cleris: *later when aeris dies* "I killed aeris ^^" "......" "aeris!!!!!!!!1 noooooooooo!!!!!!!!! *cries forever in a year* "ell it was fun killing your wife bye" "AERIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *cries some more*"

tifa...owned again cloud totally loved aeris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 27 2005, 04:25 PM

Buhon - I'm going to copy part of what you said into the thread about Cloud's "crush" on Tifa, coz you have some interesting thoughts on it. I hope you don't mind. :rolleyes: The thread is here: A Crush on Tifa?

Sure Aly, don't mind at all... In fact, I am flattered. I shall check it out.


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In general, it seemed to me that there was a role reversal over time - Cloud becomes less interested in Tifa, and Tifa becomes more interested in Cloud.



Personally, I feel like that's one of the examples of irony in FFVII. By the time Tifa's interested in Cloud, he's moved on.


I couldn't agree more, Sefie
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Mar 27 2005, 08:38 PM
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Mar 27 2005, 04:25 PM
Tifa "It feels like... It feels like you're going far away..."

Why would Tifa say that in Cosmo Canyon, and why does she repeat it later (after the Reunion)? :unsure: Could this be a foreshadowing that Cloud will leave her at some point to go to the Promised Land?

It could also mean that she and Cloud are drifting apart. By the time they arrived in Cosmo Canyon, Cloud had already began to care for Aerith. Perhaps Tifa recognized this? :ermm:

Possibly, although Tifa repeats it again after the Reunion. So I get the feeling that it's a foreshadowing that Cloud will someday leave Tifa behind to search for the Promised Land.
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maybe...but what we search for it...for? the only reasoning i have is that he would look for it to find aeris, since she said that when people die they all return to the promise land, is cloud going theer to see aeris?
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