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| EnglishRose | Jul 2 2005, 04:08 PM Post #46 |
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sure, ill try and find some. i cant do it now, ive got to watch Top Gun with my family. <_< |
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| Skelly | Jul 4 2005, 12:52 PM Post #47 |
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a strange angel
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Oh my! We forgot about him! x__x"" I think what Professor Gast wanted was to see how far the experimentation of Mako could go, but when Hojo mentioned creating a child with Mako cells from birth, I think he backed out. Not because he was being a coward, but because their experimentations were defying nature, and this was pushing it too far. He had probably called for resignation earlier on, after trying to convince Hojo to stop. There's also the account of Jenova, and using the alien's cells into the child. Who would want to twist a child in that way? Professor Gast was certainly more civilized than Hojo, and probably didn't want a child to live as an experiment. What child would want that?
I also think of the second one, Hyper. For one, Lucrecia was definitely not a coward, going with the project and all. I think she had reached a comatose after giving birth, and Hojo had probably buried her without mercy. Maybe in the same room Vincent is in? It would certainly explain all the extra coffins!But why would she be in the Crystal Cavern? I'm just supposing that she had retreated there when she was weak, to keep healing and desperately try to find her son. |
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| Hyper-Ballad | Jul 4 2005, 10:54 PM Post #48 |
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Gast appreciation time! :lol: I completely agree with your view on Gast, Hopeful. You've given great answers! (btw: I totally love your new sig and avatar - so pretty!)Both Vincent and Sephiroth speak very highly of him, and both men claim his genius to be much greater than Hojo's (who seems to be his total opposite both professionally and personally). He strikes me as the sort of scientist who honestly dedicated every advance he made towards bettering the world. And of course, Ifalna fell in love with him, so he must have been a really great guy at heart. ![]() Unlike Hojo, he wasn't willing to sacrifice the essence of his profession to make a mark on the world. He did that through intelligent and harmless research, and Vincent also points out that the idea of Planet-study was in his heart, so for Gast I don't think that everything began and ended with the powers of science. He was willing to appreciate other, more spiritual, ideas. I think as far as his relationship with Shinra goes, he's a character very much like Reeve - deep down, he knows the company is self-serving and doesn't care about who they trample on, but denies it to himself (for a time) because he doesn't know how to break away, or how he could help anyone if he lost his position of power. He also seems to have given Hojo the benefit of the doubt for years after the Project. It seems like he's the sort of man who's sharp enough to know that something isn't right, but because he doesn't have any way of proving it or doesn't know how to act decides to do nothing and give the benefit of the doubt. I think as far as the Project went, Gast must have initially been very enthusiastic about the idea of studying what he then believed to be an Ancient, and idealised Shinra's goal of recreating the race through the Project. I think he must have become more and more disillusioned as the human experimentation progressed (I think there must have been quite a bit of botched experimentation on Shinra volunteers - hence all those other creatures in the Nibelheim reactor - before Hojo and Lucrecia hit on the idea of using an unborn foetus). The idea of raising a child as an exepriment must have been something he protested against because it took away Sephiroth's right to choose his own life, with his parents making fundamental choices for him. The escalating abandonment of ethics must have disturbed him, but I believe that he might have kept fooling himself that it was all for the good of humanity. I think he must have strongly been against what they were doing, but was powerless to stop the experiments on Lucrecia because she and Hojo were consenting to what they were doing to their child, and took charge. But he didn't try and intervene the way Vincent did - I think that in this case he just accepted that it was out of his hands, and hoped for the best. He took away his support, but couldn't do anything to stop or cancel it. After Sephiroth was born, it seems clear that he took on a fatherly role to the boy in Hojo's place. Sephiroth talked about Gast with a lot of admiration and deep respect, and when he becomes confused about his origins later on, he asks why didn't Gast ever tell him, and why did Gast have to die. It appears that Sephiroth's emotional deterioration must have really set in after Gast's death. I think that Sephiroth did genuinely trust and love him, and that Gast was the only person he grew up around that he felt cared for him as a person, rather than an experiment. I think this is Gast through and through - he might not have been able to stop Hojo and Lucrecia, but he seemed willing to do everything he could to improve Sephiroth's life, thinking that no innocent child should live under such conditions. I think as the years wore on, Gast became more and more disillusioned with Shinra and lost all faith in the company and in Hojo, and eventually got over his denial, fear and his tendency to give the benefit of the doubt, and saw all of them for what they really were. 6 years after the Project, he runs off with Ifalna, abandoning his position and robbing Shinra and Hojo of a crucial specimen. After falling in love with Ifalna, his decisions (freeing Ifalna, escaping Shinra together) were motivated by love, and his desire to protect her, and later their unborn child. For Gast, his wife and child came before his duty to science. All in all, he seems to have been a character with flaws, but a very big and kind heart.
I totally agree with you here! Lucrecia's bravery in going through with the Project is so often overlooked, but I think that she was a courageous and strong woman; just sadly misguided.
I think she must have found her way there in confusion, until she regained full mental clarity. She must have ran into the Nibel mountains (possibly towards the reactor?) and found her way to the waterfall from there. I'd really love it if a Nibelheim resident saw her go in the middle of the night, though. It'd certainly give more fuel to their stories about the dead passing through the mountains.
Enjoy the movie, AR.
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| Skelly | Jul 5 2005, 01:33 PM Post #49 |
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a strange angel
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Thanks! My Photoshop skills are improving. ![]() I didn't know that Gast was there before the Project. I always thought he resigned before the Project - whoops! So that's why Sephiroth spoke so highly of him. I always thought that someone kept telling him that, and he believed it. ![]() Now, to the Gast appreciation. I think that Professor Gast knew it was wrong, to experiment on a child. That would just be humanly wrong, and seeing as that Ifalna fell in love with him, he was not as twisted as Hojo, and very much loving. How could someone like that go beyond the limits of civility? For the reason why Gast refused to escape while he could, I don't think that (among his choices) he would be threatened to stay on. I just don't see him doing that, staying on because his life was in danger. Vincent and Sephiroth both speak of him highly, while they scorn Hojo. I think Professor Gast was more intelligent than Hojo, and he had understood what he was doing all the way. I think his flaw was that he was hesitant when it came to decisions (just like what Hyper said; he wasn't like Vincent who had tried to stop the experiment) and something that he truly loved, like science. When Sephiroth was born, I think Gast felt pity for him, because he was just an experiment, not meant to live normally like any other child. He cared for him, most probably knowing full-well that if he were left alone, the child would crumble away at the hands of cold, calculating Hojo. Six years after the Project was enough for Sephiroth to strengthen up, but retained a small spark of humanity and love that Gast had tended to when he was still young. Yes, I think he fell apart without Gast to show him the love that he wanted, and I think, if there was someone to love him, he would not have turned the way he was.
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| Buhon | Jul 11 2005, 07:26 AM Post #50 |
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Ahhh... we've move onto Professor Gast. Man, this topic gets better and better. I must say I always was rather intrigued about the past interrelationship between Hojo, Sephiroth, Gast, Lucrecia, and Ifalna - the whole Jenova Project "Days of Our Lives"... I totally agree with both of you, Hyper and Hopeful, about your evaluations on Gast's character. Both Hojo and Gast were men of science working together to "better the world" with the Jenova project - yet in the end both took two drastically different directions. Hojo took the "dark path" - seduced Lucrecia into sacrificing her self and sanity for experimentation, defiled Vincent, and turned his own son into the ultimate genetic experiment. Gast took the "high road" - became disillusioned with Shinra and the project, became sympathetic towards and eventually fell in love with the last full-blooded Cetra (Ifalna), and ended up devoting himself to the safety of his (their) child - and ultimately contributed to the "genetic continuity" of the Cetra. Hojo and Gast's sharply different paths are ultimately seen in their children - Hojo's son being the ultimate superhuman threat to the planet, and Gast's daughter being the ultimate superhuman salvation for the planet. Hope I made sense... lol |
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| Skelly | Jul 12 2005, 11:43 AM Post #51 |
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Wow... I never saw it that way, Buhon. It's amazing, isn't it? Sephiroth and Aeris were opposites, just like Hojo and Gast. In a way, their children are known in the sort of the same way that their fathers were. Aeris was loved and respected, like Gast, while Hojo was hated and despised, like Sephiroth. Though for Sephiroth, a majority didn't know where he was, and where he went. But the ones that did know... they had to kill him, didn't they? Thanks for that interesting scrap of information, Buhon!
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| Toxo | Jul 12 2005, 11:56 AM Post #52 |
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Ooo~ Jenovaaa! I love her! She's my fave enemy! Yeeees, I want to join!
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| Shiva | Mar 2 2007, 01:51 AM Post #53 |
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Hey, sign meh up...
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| Shiva | Feb 3 2009, 03:52 PM Post #54 |
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*Revives club* I guess I'll update the members list for HB...
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| aerithbunny | Apr 6 2012, 02:23 AM Post #55 |
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this love triangle has left many questions over the years, such as who was Sephiroth's father Hojo or Vincent? Who was crazier Hojo or Gast? What are the thoughts on this? I would love to join of course and help revive this club. |
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(btw: I totally love your new sig and avatar - so pretty!)
Thanks! My Photoshop skills are improving. 

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