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The Prophecy Of Her Death...; There was a warning before Aeris' demise
Topic Started: Feb 22 2005, 07:37 PM (1,606 Views)
Shiva
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Yeah, unfortunately, I had Aerith's death spoiled for me, too. I already knew she was gonna die, so Cait Sith's prediction kind of made sense. Gawd, I cried like a baby when she died, though. Knowing she was going to die didn't make it any easier to see. :cry:

Tifa Lockheart
 
What Cait Sith said: "What you pursue will be yours but you will lose something dear." just points out to us that Aerith is someone who is dear to Cloud.


Yeah, that is what I think, too. :D However, you won't find a CloTi out there that will admit it. They just try to say that Cait Sith was full of it, blah, blah, blah... :rolleyes:

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Do you know why Sackaguchi killed off Aeris? Because he wanted us to feel what he was feeling at the time. His mother had passed away recently.

He thought by getting us to love a character so much, who always spoke fondly and was hopeful for the future and then have her die tragically, would be the most effective way to get his current emotions across.

Well done Hinronbou. You succedded.


Yep, that's right! ^_^ It was Sakaguchi's idea to kill off a character. Here is Nomura's explanation of Aerith's death and what they wanted to accomplish by it:

"To tell you the truth, FFVII's theme was 'life'. We had instructions from Mr. Sakaguchi saying, 'More than depicting life in the theme, you have to depict life and death. Anyhow you have to portray death.' With the death of a character, we wanted to have the player feel pain. So to do so, portraying the death of the heroine Aerith would be the most painful and important/heavy [on the feelings/emotions]. So, to portray death properly, it was decided that we would show Aerith's death."

So, it was Sakaguchi's idea to kill off a character, and he did not specify which one. That was decided later. It is interesting to see that they wanted to make the most of the death, a death that would affect the players and the characters the greatest... and they picked Aerith, the heroine of FFVII. So, basically, this just sunk one of the CloTis favorite arguments, that Nomura "hated Aerith" and "killed her off to get rid of her because she was weak" and that Nomura wanted to "sub Tifa in for Aerith to be Cloud's girlfriend". In fact, these interviews show just how IMPORTANT Aerith's death was meant to be. :D
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Buhon
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Like many people here, I had known Aerith was going to die before I played the game (although it was still difficult to deal with when it happened... sniffle).

But no doubt, there definitely is a lot of foreshadowing of her death throughout the game. In addition to the two examples we've discussed so far (the Cait Sith scene in the Temple of the Ancients and Aerith constantly "talking about the future") there is another scene that particularly sticks out in my mind:

the scene on the Shinra ship on the way to the Costa Del Sol, where Aerith asks (begs) you to take her for a ride on an Airship one day. She's the one who's most excited about the prospect, yet she dies before you get one. For some reason, this exchange particularly struck me.


Later in the game well after her death, as we all know, Cid laments that he wished he could have given her a ride in the airship. This is interesting in of itself, but is even more so considering that when Aerith says this to Cloud, Cid is not yet in your party.
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Lost Mercenary
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Notice how Aeris' change disk screen has her staring at the Highwind in the background. It portrayed her wish to fly on it.

But it is actually out of date. That screen was made before the decision to kill her was made. Why theu didn't change it later on is a mystery. Maybe to throw the audience off?
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Buhon
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Feb 25 2005, 10:55 PM
Notice how Aeris' change disk screen has her staring at the Highwind in the background. It portrayed her wish to fly on it.

But it is actually out of date. That screen was made before the decision to kill her was made. Why theu didn't change it later on is a mystery. Maybe to throw the audience off?

Ahhh, forgot about that as well, good call Lost. I'm sure Square left it in on purpose, just like I'm sure they left the scene on the ship between Cloud and Aerith and the scene on the Highwind with Cid in on purpose. I get the feeling the Highwing-Aerith references were left in specifically to emphasize the impact of her death to the viewer.
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slowerthanaverage
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Agreed with Buhon.
After that, whenever we saw the screen, we were like "poor darling, she wanted to fly on that! But she didn't have the chance! Kill Sephy kill! " heehee

Well for me, it's really funny. Me bro bought this unofficial guide for us. And we were reading and playing through the game at the same time. And there was this page that told us to "save this slot and NEVER delete it!"
So we're like huh? what the hell is going on? Is there some error or difficult bosses coming up or something? ... and then ta da - the death scene. *sob*
Wot a cute unofficial guide author I must add.
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Lost Mercenary
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One of the reasons I despise Cait Sith so much is because he was the one who prohecised Aeris' death. I know Sephiroth killed her but Cait Sith was giving hints.

THAT... THAT BASTARD!!!
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Feb 26 2005, 09:19 AM
One of the reasons I despise Cait Sith so much is because he was the one who prohecised Aeris' death. I know Sephiroth killed her but Cait Sith was giving hints.

THAT... THAT BASTARD!!!

Awww... Cait Sith didn't even know what that prophecy meant! I thought that Cait Sith loved Aerith as much as the other characters, and he also gave the prophecy that Cloud and Aerith should be married. I think Cait Sith/Reeve would have loved to see Aerith alive and felt horrible about her death.
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Tacofoolio
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What made it worse for me when Aeris died is that I was so distracted and mad I lost the fight... I couldn't bear to watch it happen again so I stoped playing for awhile. On the bright side, since I accidentally killed them they got to see Aeris... :unsure: :rolleyes:
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Lost Mercenary
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As soon as the battle againt Jenova Life began Cloud immediatly had a limit break ready for the bastard.

Cait Sith did like Aeris I'll agree but I'll never forgive him for prophecising her death and turning traitor.

Hell... he was usless anyway.
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Feb 28 2005, 08:34 PM
What made it worse for me when Aeris died is that I was so distracted and mad I lost the fight... I couldn't bear to watch it happen again so I stoped playing for awhile. On the bright side, since I accidentally killed them they got to see Aeris... :unsure:  :rolleyes:

Huh? :huh: The game shows them seeing Aerith if they get killed in the Death Scene? :blink: I can't remember my party ever dying in the fight with Jenova. That doesn't happen, does it? :unsure:
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I got the game spoiled for me too, but my hormones hadn't kicked in yet, so I didn't really care, and something is wrong with my copy of the game. If you don't put a certain setting on my PS2, some of the FMVs get left out, so I didn't actually see it the first time. Then after I started reading some fanfics about Cloud and Aerith, that's when my hormones kicked in, and I realized I loved Aerith just as much as Cloud. I know, it's sad I have a crush on a video game character. But anyway, after I saw the FMV when I played the game through a second time, I was like O.O I had tears in my eyes, and then Sephiroth started saying all that stuff. I was like, "F*** you Sephiroth!!! You bastard!!! " And I used my anger to kill Jenova, then I turned the game off, went to my room and cried. T_T
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Huh?  The game shows them seeing Aerith if they get killed in the Death Scene?  I can't remember my party ever dying in the fight with Jenova. That doesn't happen, does it? 


haha, sorry, I wasn't clear. I was joking around since I managed to have them all die to I figured they could go with Aeris to the promised land or lifestream. My humor sucks, sorry! :lol:
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Just to stay remotely on topic...I had no idea that Aeris was going to die, and was very shocked and moved when it did happen (and Cloud's reaction tore me to pieces), and on replaying the game, I did pick up on a lot of the hints, and Cait Sith's fortune stood out for me as the most jarring and poignant. :cry:

Lost Mercenary
 
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One of the reasons I despise Cait Sith so much is because he was the one who prohecised Aeris' death. I know Sephiroth killed her but Cait Sith was giving hints.

THAT... THAT BASTARD!!!

Anastar
 
Awww... Cait Sith didn't even know what that prophecy meant! I thought that Cait Sith loved Aerith as much as the other characters, and he also gave the prophecy that Cloud and Aerith should be married. I think Cait Sith/Reeve would have loved to see Aerith alive and felt horrible about her death.

Cait Sith did like Aeris I'll agree but I'll never forgive him for prophecising her death and turning traitor.


Now, now, I'll have none of this Cait Sith/Reeve bashing. I'm quite a fan of his. He's a sweetheart and I'm very protective of him! ^_^

I agree wholeheartedly with Anastar on the issue of his personal feelings for Aeris - he seemed very close to her, and seemed to like her just as much as the other characters did. I'd even venture that he was one of the party members (alongside Cloud, Tifa and Yuffie) that were closest to Aeris whilst she was alive, too. They were a very tight-knit group, after all, and both Aeris and Cait Sith/Reeve are very friendly, upbeat and cheerful, so it's easy for me to imagine them getting along very well. It's clear that her opinion and goodwill mean a lot to him too, because her supportive attitude, as well as her forgiveness and compassion at the Temple of the Ancients makes him "so happy". It seems very clear to me me that he never wished her any harm. I'd even go as far as to speculate as to whether or not Reeve had a bit of a crush on our favourite flower-girl... :whistle:

I honestly don't see how unwittingly prophecising Aeris' death is a reason to hate his character. It's not as if accidentally and unknowingly predicting it made it happen. Cait Sith may have been giving hints, but it's not as if he was at all aware of it. Plus, he also predicted that Cloud and Aeris were perfect for each other! And anyway, as the old saying goes - don't shoot the messenger! Especially if the messenger is an adorable robotic cat riding a giant moogle! :moogle:

As for the traitor issue, I can't say that I agree with that either. A traitor has to be someone who was originally on your side. Reeve doesn't fall under this category because he was never on your side in the first place. He doesn't "turn traitor", because that was always his objective. That was his job. He's like an undercover cop! He doesn't betray you because he was never loyal to you in the first place. His whole motive for joining your party was to spy on you, report your movements to Shinra and occasionally interfere with things (ie: the Keystone incident). It may feel like a betryal from the party's perspective, but not from his. But you have to remember that this doesn't make him a bad person, because from his perspective Avalanche is a murdering, terrorist-organisation that he's helping bring to justice so that they can't kill any more people. Remember that he's an executive who does genuinely care for the people and wants what's best for them. But despite this, he still comes to see Avalanche as human beings and care for them and their goals, and he does feel guilty for his behaviour. He also doesn't seem the type to turn Aeris over to a guy like Hojo either, so he's a decent person. And he fully redeems himself by betraying Shinra (which is a real betaryal, too) just to help Cloud and the group - when it comes to the crunch, and he has to pick a side, it's your side he chooses.

Plus, he doesn't agree with dropping the Plate on Sector Seven or blowing people up. It's a good moral stance! What's not to like? ^_^
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I enjoyed her charm, her optimism, her beauty, her grace, her outlook on the events, and the way she dealt with other characters, especially Cloud. And despite what other people say about her fighting skills, I always found her to be a useful party member. The loss of Aerith left a huge, gaping hole in the game for me and her role in the game was far more significant to me than any part Tifa ever played in it.

I guess that's why I still believe that Aerith will be central to the events of AC. Despite the claims of some people that Tifa has the leading female role in AC, I can't believe it. In my opinion, Aerith was a far more significant character in the game than Tifa. Because of that, Aerith deserves a significant role in the sequel and I find it hard to believe that Square wouldn't acknowledge that in AC.


I couldn't agree with you more on this. To me, Aerith's role is definitely more important than Tifa's. I felt the story of the game had revolved mostly around her, the Cetras, the Planet, and Cloud finding himself. I was throughly amazed to hear some claim that Tifa was the main heroine of VII. Just because Aerith died and Tifa survived at the end does not make Tifa the main heroine. :no: It's really what role they played in the game that counts...talk about being brainless, eh? :mad:

And Lost Mercenary...I agree with you that we had all been warned before hand, but just like you, I didn't really even think about Cait Sith's prediction or some of the things Aerith had said/maybe hinted at until after her death. Those things made a lot of sense to me afterwards, of course. So very tragic...and believe me, I was quite upset with Square there for a while. :(
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When Cait Sith said that, at the Gold Saucer, I had a feeling something was going to happen... The first thing that popped into my head, when I saw, "Something dear" was Aeris! (Imagine that) Afterward, I shook it off, thinking, "square would never kill off such a character," but when I got to the Ancient Capital, and I saw her... I started to cry, right there. These started off as relief tears, I thought it was beautiful, that Cloud had finally gotten to Aeris, that he had come for her, and when they stood there, staring at each other, I was so happy Cloud had found her. Right when Sephiroth came down, I swear, my jaw hit the floor. I actually slapped myself, not believing the sight, but it was true... :sad: I cried, and cried, and cried... Her death scene was enough, but playing the music during the battle right afterward, was so depressing. It brought back so many memories of her during the game, and at her funeral scene, I cried even harder. Aeris was a truely beautiful person, in spirit, mind, and body, and she didn't deserve to die. What made me cry even harder, was that she was so innocent, and good, and such people do not deserve such a fate. :no:
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