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Topic Started: Feb 18 2005, 04:57 PM (15,266 Views)
Quexinos
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WOO HOO!

Sorry I thought that it was okay to spam in the clubs section. I'll behave.
On topic, not FF related, but has anyone mentioned Romeo and Juliet? :whistle:
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Angelwing Aeris
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I have two more examples to add to FF_G's list:

General Caraway never moved on from Julia after her death in the car accident when Rinoa was 5.

Edward and Anna (she died protecting him from Baron's arrows to get the Fire Crystal) and 17 years later, he's still single. Also he spiritually connected to Anna at Kaipo. :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNrcaWLnUcc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4q90JX_G6Y&feature=related
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This just made me :lmao: so hard. Yep, that's exactly what Cloud was thinking.

:cleris:
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Jul 16 2009, 03:49 PM
I have two more examples to add to FF_G's list:

General Caraway never moved on from Julia after her death in the car accident when Rinoa was 5.

Edward and Anna (she died protecting him from Baron's arrows to get the Fire Crystal) and 17 years later, he's still single. Also he spiritually connected to Anna at Kaipo. :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNrcaWLnUcc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4q90JX_G6Y&feature=related

Oh, yeah! I forgot bout those.


I have even more non-Ff related love stories where the lover never remarries or gets with anyone else but I'm not sure if that counts. :P
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I have even more non-Ff related love stories where the lover never remarries or gets with anyone else but I'm not sure if that counts. :P

I'd think they count. The point is that not everyone moves on. Cloti's seem to think it's written in stone that Cloud will move on just because Aerith dies. That's a huge assumption, if you ask me.

Just coz that's what they *want* him to do doesn't mean that he will. <_< Just because Tifa's supposedly hot doesn't mean that Cloud will love her. Just because Cloud had a crush on her as a kid doesn't mean that he'll love her as an adult. All of it is pure assumption.

Romeo killed himself in order to be with Juliet after he thought she died. Would everyone make the same choice? No. Some people would move on - but not everyone does.
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I have another non FF related one. Yuri and Alice from Shadow Hearts Covenant. I just finished it and it reminded me of :cleris: the whole time. Yuri moping about his lost love, Karin as the pretty friend with one sided love and Yuri being reunited with Alice at the end was kinda like calling.
Karin's real relationship to Yuri made me go O_O.

Want to play first Shadows Hearts very badly now.
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I was watching The Two Towers last night and noticed something interesting: when Aragorn was lying wounded in the stream, it was Arwen, the woman he loves, who came to him. Kind of like how it's always Aerith who comes to Cloud when he is in need, healing him and being there for him.

I mean, it makes sense why Tifa wouldn't be able to heal Cloud, but I just think it is interesting that every time Cloud is in real need, it's almost always Aerith that shows up to help him.
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Yep... Van and Hitomi in Escaflowne remind me about Cloud and Aerith. Tifa and Cloud coudn't even have a relationship as good as Van and his "little cat"'s relationship.
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Kind of like how it's always Aerith who comes to Cloud when he is in need, healing him and being there for him.

I mean, it makes sense why Tifa wouldn't be able to heal Cloud, but I just think it is interesting that every time Cloud is in real need, it's almost always Aerith that shows up to help him.

Well, the dynamic is different between Tifa helping Cloud and Aerith helping Cloud. For example, when Tifa stayed behind to "help" Cloud in Mideel, I got the feeling that she was almost forcing herself on him. I mean, how do we know that Cloud even *wanted* her there with him? :lol:

On the other hand, Aerith seems to help Cloud help himself. When she meets him in the back to back scene, she reassures him that she never blamed him. That's enough for Cloud to realize that the only person blaming him is himself. From there, Aerith lets him figure things out on his own.

Compare that to the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through during the Lifestream event (which could've been avoided if she'd just told him the truth about their conflicting memories in Disk One), or the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through in ACC when she lays that ultimatum on him about "is it a memory or us?" IMO, Tifa seems to drag Cloud down with more weight than she seems to help him.
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I know it's a stretch, but what about Zidane and Garnet? Everyone was certain that he was dead at the end of IX yet she continued to love him. And when they were reunited in the final FMV she was more than happy to see him alive.

From Psychic Academy, Ai and Myuu. This story is basically Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa's story with Cloud for sure ending with Aerith. Ai originally though he was in love with his childhood friend Orina and even tries to start a relationship with her. However, he meets a girl at school who he shared a para dream with as a child. (Basically a dream that everyone with psychic powers has every 12 years) He can't help but feel very strong feelings for her. In the end, he does admit that he loves Myuu more than Orina but unfortunantly Myuu dies in the final battle. The story ends with Ai wanting to create a world that Myuu would have been happy living in and looks foreward to seeing her in the next para dream. Meanwhile, Orina is still alive but Ai doesn't move on with her because she is the girl left alive.

I think Cloti's think that we want Cloud to live the rest of his days mourning Aerith's death, which is not the case at least for me. You can still love a deceased person with out being /wrists for the rest of your life. Why can't Cloud live his life happy and single while cherishing his memories of Aerith?
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Aug 4 2009, 10:45 AM
Well, the dynamic is different between Tifa helping Cloud and Aerith helping Cloud. For example, when Tifa stayed behind to "help" Cloud in Mideel, I got the feeling that she was almost forcing herself on him. I mean, how do we know that Cloud even *wanted* her there with him? :lol:

On the other hand, Aerith seems to help Cloud help himself. When she meets him in the back to back scene, she reassures him that she never blamed him. That's enough for Cloud to realize that the only person blaming him is himself. From there, Aerith lets him figure things out on his own.

Compare that to the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through during the Lifestream event (which could've been avoided if she'd just told him the truth about their conflicting memories in Disk One), or the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through in ACC when she lays that ultimatum on him about "is it a memory or us?" IMO, Tifa seems to drag Cloud down with more weight than she seems to help him.

That's very true, Anastar. Even in KH2, Tifa was running Cloud down like a bloodhound, trying to force him to accept her light. Aerith, on the other hand, realized that Cloud needed to find his inner light on his own, and was content to let it be at that.
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Aug 5 2009, 10:50 AM
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Aug 4 2009, 10:45 AM
Well, the dynamic is different between Tifa helping Cloud and Aerith helping Cloud. For example, when Tifa stayed behind to "help" Cloud in Mideel, I got the feeling that she was almost forcing herself on him. I mean, how do we know that Cloud even *wanted* her there with him? :lol:

On the other hand, Aerith seems to help Cloud help himself. When she meets him in the back to back scene, she reassures him that she never blamed him. That's enough for Cloud to realize that the only person blaming him is himself. From there, Aerith lets him figure things out on his own.

Compare that to the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through during the Lifestream event (which could've been avoided if she'd just told him the truth about their conflicting memories in Disk One), or the drama that Tifa dragged Cloud through in ACC when she lays that ultimatum on him about "is it a memory or us?" IMO, Tifa seems to drag Cloud down with more weight than she seems to help him.

That's very true, Anastar. Even in KH2, Tifa was running Cloud down like a bloodhound, trying to force him to accept her light. Aerith, on the other hand, realized that Cloud needed to find his inner light on his own, and was content to let it be at that.

That's because Aerith understands Cloud on a different level. :P Or that's what I think at least. :blush:

Does anyone know anything about a quote dealing with advent children that says Tifa was a catalyst or something. What's the Clotis deal with it?
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Aug 8 2009, 11:17 AM
Does anyone know anything about a quote dealing with advent children that says Tifa was a catalyst or something. What's the Clotis deal with it?

There's a quote from somewhere that states that Tifa was the catalyst for Cloud's recovery or something like that. The only problem is, CloTards don't know what "catalyst" means. They see that quote and go ZOMG TIFA IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HELPED CLOUD RECOVER!!!!

However, "catalyst" refers to something that initiates an action, or starts something. And, the truth of the matter is, Tifa DID initiate Cloud's recovery. If it weren't for Tifa's verbal smackdown and guilt-trip, Cloud would not have gone out to rescue the children, therefore, he would not have had his meeting with Aerith. Without that meeting with Aerith, Cloud would not have been relieved from his guilt and despair, and he would have failed to protect everyone and failed to defeat the SHM.

So, Tifa WAS the catalyst. She gave Cloud a verbal boot in the ass that sent him on his way... to Aerith. Aerith is the main factor that allowed Cloud to forgive himself and regain the will to fight. Zack came in later and gave Cloud a confidence boost that allowed him to see himself as the hero he is. So, Tifa played a very small part in all of that, but CloTis, being the blind people they are, see that quote and attribute it all to her. The reality is, she only started it. Aerith and, to a lesser extent, Zack, finished it.
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Aug 10 2009, 10:59 AM
AerithGainsborough
Aug 8 2009, 11:17 AM
Does anyone know anything about a quote dealing with advent children that says Tifa was a catalyst or something. What's the Clotis deal with it?

There's a quote from somewhere that states that Tifa was the catalyst for Cloud's recovery or something like that. The only problem is, CloTards don't know what "catalyst" means. They see that quote and go ZOMG TIFA IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HELPED CLOUD RECOVER!!!!

However, "catalyst" refers to something that initiates an action, or starts something. And, the truth of the matter is, Tifa DID initiate Cloud's recovery. If it weren't for Tifa's verbal smackdown and guilt-trip, Cloud would not have gone out to rescue the children, therefore, he would not have had his meeting with Aerith. Without that meeting with Aerith, Cloud would not have been relieved from his guilt and despair, and he would have failed to protect everyone and failed to defeat the SHM.

So, Tifa WAS the catalyst. She gave Cloud a verbal boot in the ass that sent him on his way... to Aerith. Aerith is the main factor that allowed Cloud to forgive himself and regain the will to fight. Zack came in later and gave Cloud a confidence boost that allowed him to see himself as the hero he is. So, Tifa played a very small part in all of that, but CloTis, being the blind people they are, see that quote and attribute it all to her. The reality is, she only started it. Aerith and, to a lesser extent, Zack, finished it.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. :lol:

So they think that sentence means Tifa is the only one that helped Cloud out? That's odd.... :unsure:

How could this catalyst sentence make them think it's a plus for Cloti? I just don't get it.
It's like with the keyword thing in CC, what the hell is that suppose to mean? They've thrown it in my face like it's some kind of oil field in the 1800's.

And I just don't get it. What's so good about it???<_<

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Exactly, FFG... well said! :cheer:

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Does anyone know anything about a quote dealing with advent children that says Tifa was a catalyst or something. What's the Clotis deal with it?

The quote's from a April 2, 2009, Dengeki article:

- Tifa’s page talks about how she gives Cloud encouragement, and ends up creating the catalyst for him regaining the will to fight. I’d like to believe this also leads to her salvation.

Notice that it says she creates the catalyst for him regaining the will to fight, which is quite different from helping Cloud recover from his guilt or his emotional fragility.

Also, like FFG said, it says that she *creates* the catalyst for him to regain the will to fight. Basically, that means that she gets it started. That's most likely referring to the scene where she gives Cloud the verbal kick in the ass to go rescue the children. So yes, she got him to go - but going to the Sleeping Forest is what helped Cloud meet up with Aerith in the back to back scene. It was at that time that his guilt started to heal.

Vincent also talked to Cloud in the Sleeping Forest about finding forgiveness for his sin. Talking with Vincent also helped Cloud decide to fight.

So it certainly wasn't all Tifa's doing. :no:

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And I just don't get it. What's so good about it???

I would imagine they think it means that Tifa helps to heal Cloud's guilt instead of Aerith. They seem to miss the fact that it's referring to Cloud's will to fight, not to healing his guilt. Plus, like FFG said, it's just saying that Tifa got things started - not that she did it all by herself.
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