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Topic Started: Feb 18 2005, 04:57 PM (15,270 Views)
Anastar
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I didn't see anything in FFVII or AC that showed Cloud returned Tifa's feelings. Saw plenty of  :cleris:  though! Hee hee

I mean have they even played FFVII?
Cloud is so cold and withdrawn around tifa and yet when he's with Aerith he comes outta his shell and actually laughs?  :headbang:

I don't get cloti logic at all...

I don't get Cloti logic, either. :no: I've heard their explanations and I've seen their "evidence", but it makes no sense to me at all. After playing FFVII for the first time, I was talking about the beautiful story of CloudxAerith when a friend asked me whether Cloud would move on with Tifa. I said that I guess it was *possible*, but that Cloud would have to get over Aerith and fall in love with Tifa before that ever happened. :lmao:

In other words, I saw nothing in FFVII to indicate that Cloud had romantic interest in Tifa at all. :no: The whole idea of Cloud "moving on" with Tifa never even occurred to me while I was playing the game. All I saw was Cloud's love for Aerith.

I can say the same about AC/ACC, too. Cloti's try to say that the scene where Cloud and Tifa are shown in the flowerbed of the Church is romantic, but how are two people who collapsed unconscious from battle wounds and sickness supposed to be romantic? That's like saying that wounded soldiers collapsed on a battlefield near one another is romantic. <_< I don't see that as romantic at all. :no:

IMO, the Bahamut hand reach scene, the Great Gospel rain scene, Aerith seen first when Sephy asked Cloud what he cherished most - all of these scenes (and more) showed pretty clearly that Cloud is still in love with Aerith.
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I didn't even know there was this big AerithxTifa debate til after AC. Coz I didn't get the net til then. I was disapointed by the movie coz I expected a lot more CxA then just Cloud going to the flowerfield. Then when I went online and saw people were actually saying Cloud and Tifa were a couple I was like WTF?

I was sooo confused.

Was I the only one who saw the hand reach scene and Cloud's grief and the cute moments between Cloud and Aerith? I wrote that in the forum, just trying to understand was was going on and I got attacked from all sides. My first encounter with Clotis.

I just wish I had found this forum sooner...
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One of my ClAeris friends has a CloTi BF that thinks that Cloud and Tifa "have been banging". :puke: She sent him to my website "to straighten him out". :lmao:

Seriously, I don't get how anyone could think that Cloud and Tifa are sexually involved. :crazy: Because they live together they are "banging"??? Barret lived at Seventh Heaven with Tifa before Cloud joined AVALANCHE in FFVII. Actually, Tifa and Barret were raising Marlene together. Does this mean they were lovers? No. Heck, there were two other men in AVALANCHE that lived there with Tifa, too. Did she get romantically involved with any of them? No. But, suddenly, now that Cloud is involved, living at Seventh Heaven automatically means he and Tifa are shacked up? I think not.

FACT: Cloud has his own bedroom at Seventh Heaven. Why would two people who are "obviously lovers" share separate bedrooms???

FACT: Marlene sleeps with Tifa most of the time. What, do they just scoot Marlene to the edge of the bed when it's "naughty time", or what? Yeah, no, maybe they just tell Marlene that it's "wrestling time" and she needs to sleep in her own room. LOL, um, NO. That is so sick and so wrong. Just NO.

FACT: Cloud is gone most of the time. At the end of AC/ACC, Cloud is shown as a free spirit, off running around on Fenrir. Even post-AC, in DoC, Cloud isn't shown at Seventh Heaven. He is obviously happy being free to do as he pleases and go where he wants. Clearly, he doesn't wish to be weighed down with the typical relationship. So, what, do you really think he just shows up for a booty call? Way to respect Tifa, "Tifa fans". <_<

Actually, the perfect relationship for Cloud is the one he has with Aerith. Since she lives on in his subconsciousness, she is with him wherever he goes. So, he is free to travel and go where he pleases; Aerith just goes with him.

FACT: Tifa has a "maternal bond" with Cloud. So, she likes banging people she sees as her children??? :puke: Denzel had better watch his back.
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Its mostly western gamers who think its CloudxTifa right?

I guess its coz of my parents I saw it different. My mum's really open with affection but my dad isn't. But you can tell he loves her through the little things he does for her. The well thought out birthday gifts he knows she'll love, the looks he gives her and the little caresses when he thinks no one's looking.

But then even so Cloud may show aerith little affection but he shows a hell of a lot more to her then Tifa. Just my opinion.

And in Ac I just saw Cloud not wanting to be with anyone except Aerith, I mean he rather live in a rundown church then in a house with his 'true love'. :lmao:

Oh yeah I can feel the love alright /sarcasm/

EDIT I saw your website FF_G, great essays and the anti cloti funnies made me ROFL
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FACT: Cloud has his own bedroom at Seventh Heaven. Why would two people who are "obviously lovers" share separate bedrooms???

bUT D00D srsly! dont you know that his bedroom is just his 0ffice and ... shit how'd that argument go?
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FACT: Cloud has his own bedroom at Seventh Heaven. Why would two people who are "obviously lovers" share separate bedrooms???

bUT D00D srsly! dont you know that his bedroom is just his 0ffice and ... shit how'd that argument go?

Heh... we know the argument better than you. :P It's just his office and the bed in his office is for guests. However, there's indication in CoT that Cloud actually sleeps in that bed. In the first place, Tifa tells Cloud in CoT to go "drink in your room":

"Shall I join you?" There was something she wanted to talk to him about.
"I want to drink alone."
Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, "Then drink in your room".


Doesn't that mean that Cloud has his own room? It's also said that Tifa sleeps with Marlene:

Marlene who had always slept with Tifa, slept with her foster father Barret the night before he left. Their conversations could be heard late into the night.

All of that would indicate that the bed seen in Cloud's office is where he sleeps:

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And BTW - please no Cloti arguments, okay? This thread is for people who hate Cloti - not for discussing the LTD. Thanks! ^_^

If you want to debate, then take it to the Northern Crater (which will reopen as soon as the new admin's ready).
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I can say the same about AC/ACC, too. Cloti's try to say that the scene where Cloud and Tifa are shown in the flowerbed of the Church is romantic, but how are two people who collapsed unconscious from battle wounds and sickness supposed to be romantic? That's like saying that wounded soldiers collapsed on a battlefield near one another is romantic.  I don't see that as romantic at all.

Neither. And there's light surrounding them and water is shown.
Light/Water= Aerith. Even a supposed Cloti scene has Aerith in it. :whistle:
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It's just his office and the bed in his office is for guests.

I think they say that the bed is Cloud's bed but he only sleeps in it sometimes, like if he comes home late (and doesn't want to wake Tifa up) or if he and Tifa have a fight.... uhm... NOT arguing just correcting you. :unsure:

This is another Cloti argument I don't agree with but I gave up trying to prove it otherwise long ago.
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Neither. And there's light surrounding them and water is shown.
Light/Water= Aerith. Even a supposed Cloti scene has Aerith in it.

Yep. Even SE said that Aerith's given a watery image, so she's definitely there. :pro:

One thing confuses me, though. In the Reunion Files, it says that Cloud and Tifa healed themselves in that scene. :ermm: Since when are FF7 characters able to heal themselves while unconscious? They'd have to be conscious to heal themselves with potions or materia. Plus, they no longer carry materia - it's all in that chest.

And Cloud passed out from an attack of *Geostigma*. Sorry, but he can't "cure himself" of that!! :lol: So... how the hell could they heal themselves? I can't see any way for them to get healed, except by Aerith. :no:

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I think they say that the bed is Cloud's bed but he only sleeps in it sometimes, like if he comes home late (and doesn't want to wake Tifa up) or if he and Tifa have a fight.... uhm... NOT arguing just correcting you.

Oh, okay. ^_^ I still say there's way more to back up the idea that Cloud sleeps there all the time.

Quexinos
 
This is another Cloti argument I don't agree with but I gave up trying to prove it otherwise long ago.

I hear you. After some 12 years of debating the LTD, I think both sides should just agree to disagree. :lol:
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EDIT I saw your website FF_G, great essays and the anti cloti funnies made me ROFL
Glad you liked it! :gift:

Oh, and just to let everyone know... I will be moving that site soon. Geocities will no longer be available at the end of the year, so I am going to have to move it. So, yeah, don't freak if it looks like it is gone. I will post the new link once the move is complete. :D After that, I will need to do a lot of updating.

Anastar
 
One thing confuses me, though. In the Reunion Files, it says that Cloud and Tifa healed themselves in that scene.  Since when are FF7 characters able to heal themselves while unconscious? They'd have to be conscious to heal themselves with potions or materia. Plus, they no longer carry materia - it's all in that chest.
Well, it just says they are healed, not that they heal themselves.
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We'll look forward to seeing the new version of your website, FFG! ^_^

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Well, it just says they are healed, not that they heal themselves.

On page 82 of the Reunion Files, it says this:

Cloud and Tifa lie unconscious in the flowerbed at the Church. They gradually heal on their own and are taken by Reno to the house where they wake up at 5:30.

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So Cloti's are saying that Aerith didn't heal Cloud and Tifa in that scene, since they heal on their own. I don't see how it's possible - even in the world of FFVII - for them to heal on their own while they're unconscious. Plus, Cloud passes out from an attack of Geostigma, so he doesn't actually heal.
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I guess this is the quote I was thinking of:

"There's some foreshadowing that the church is where Aerith is going to appear," says Nojima. "There's a point in the plot where Cloud and Tifa are lying unconscious on the flowers here and their wounds are healed. Also, Aerith has a sort of 'watery' image about her, so we used water to convey her presence."

This one just says their wounds are healed and doesn't specify how. However, they do speak about trying to convey Aerith's presence, which always said to me that they were suggesting that Aerith healed them. Also, you have all of this Aerith symbolism surrounding Cloud and Tifa- the water, the flowers, the wolf, and (in the original AC) the track "Water".

Also, another reason I believe it was meant to show Aerith healing Cloud and Tifa is the white light surrounding them. What happened to Cloud when he was near death? He entered a white light where Aerith healed him completely and saved his life. Cloud and Tifa are in a similar white light, basically surrounded by either Lifestream or Aerith's very essence. Why else would that occur unless Aerith was using her power to heal them?

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I don't see how it's possible - even in the world of FFVII - for them to heal on their own while they're unconscious.
Yeah, they have no Materia. And they aren't immortals or anything. So, who or what is curing them? There has to be an outside force.

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Plus, Cloud passes out from an attack of Geostigma, so he doesn't actually heal.
Well, he'd just been in a battle with Kadaj, so... he did have a few small wounds, though I would consider them rather minor when compared to Tifa's.
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Wow... way to crash firefox o.o

Maybe they had permanent regen cast on them (does FFVII have regen?)

and is it possible it just meant they recovered like... you know, sorta slept off their injuries?
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Maybe they had permanent regen cast on them (does FFVII have regen?)

I couldn't remember if FFVII had it, so I looked it up. From FF Wiki:

Final Fantasy VII - Regen is the level 3 spell on the Restore Materia. This spell was more powerful than Cure2, allowing the player to regenerate HP constantly instead of a set interval. A glitch involving lifting up the disc cover lets the player restore all their HP while the enemy does nothing. This glitch like all glitches involving lifting the cover, only works on the PlayStation, not on the PlayStation 2 or 3. It costs 30 MP to cast.

They're not using materia anymore in AC/ACC. We see all of the old materia in Cloud's chest in the Church.

Quexinos
 
and is it possible it just meant they recovered like... you know, sorta slept off their injuries?

See the quotes given by FFG. I think those quotes show that SE's just contradicting themselves again. :lol: They seem to do that quite a bit these days. ^_^

I mean, c'mon. Aerith's a healer, and Nojima specifically says that Aerith is present in that scene. Cloud and Tifa are surrounded by Aerith's white light, they're in Aerith's flowers, Aerith cures Geostigma, Aerith resurrects Cloud - but she doesn't bother to heal Cloud and Tifa in the Church when she's right there? :crazy:
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Yeah I have no idea then, I tried. But this makes me wonder.. kinda unrelated but Aerith cast great gospel in the end right? But Cloud was still able to be shot... shouldn't he be invincible =P

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Oh, and just to let everyone know... I will be moving that site soon. Geocities will no longer be available at the end of the year, so I am going to have to move it.

Oh hell yeah get away from geocities. Did you site use one of their editors? It doesn't look so good in firefox. Everything overlaps and I can't read anything. You should probably take this time to learn HTML and give your site a new design. I could even help you with it if you like. But if you want good webhosting, you're going to have to pay for it.

Also just took a quick look around:
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That made me lol even without context. It reminds me of my ACC subs when Kadaj does something similar :P
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