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Topic Started: Feb 18 2005, 04:57 PM (15,271 Views)
sunheart
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:woot: YES!!! I actaully like Tifa as a character but I HATE CloudXTifa!! I used to hate tifa, but i guess shes a nice person. I just dont think she's good enough for Cloud. Cloud Fangirl here!! :fangirl:
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Welcome to the club, sunheart! I'll add you to the member list right now. ^_^

And applause to FFG for all the terrific points you made in your post! I agree with you completely - well said, gurl! :cheer:
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You know I said that Tifa resting her head on Cloud's shoulder just looked romantic... not that the actual scene was romantic.
I have a perfect example to give you... something that happened to me some years ago :
I had the feeling that one of my friend wanted to be my boyfriend... but I didn't love him romantically (I had confused romantic feelings for him very later but I never told him, because I felt that a relationship with him would ultimately hurt me), I loved his best friend instead. The problem is, I must be as awkward as Cloud about relationship... so when this friend of mine rested his head on my shoulder when we were waiting for the bus to arrive... I let him do it. I was feeling very very awkward and uncomfortable... but I didn't want to hurt him. When I was back at home, I started to cry and panick... because that situation was unexpected for me... and I had to find a way to tell him that I liked him but just as a good friend.
Finally, I never had to tell him... he just found another girl and I was relieved.
When he put his head on my shoulder, strangers maybe thought we were together... but it wasn't like that AT ALL.
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That's exactly the way I saw it, Beatrix. I thought it was more like Tifa falling asleep on his shoulder, and he thought it would just hurt her if he pushed her off or something. He didn't want to do that to her, and prolly thought it was just better to let her get some sleep before the big battle, etc. So he just let her sleep.

I didn't think of it as anything romantic at all. If it were supposed to be a romantic scene, Cloud would've had his arms around her or something.
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I think the most damning evidence against the Highwind Scene being some great romantic moment between Cloud and Tifa is the fact that it is never mentioned again during the Compilation... ever. If it was some sort of great romantic scene showing a beautiful blooming love between Cloud and Tifa, don't you think it would have been mentioned again? Don't you think Cloud or, at the very least, Tifa would be reminiscing about it at some point? And yet this scene has been completely ignored since 1997. This point alone should be proof enought that the Highwind Scene is completely and utterly overrated
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I want to join this club! I hate Clotis!
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I'll add you to the list right now, hikarukaze. Welcome to the club! ^_^
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I'll add you to the list right now, hikarukaze. Welcome to the club! ^_^

Thank you so much! :cleris:
I don't like people though that a boy and a girl who are childhood friends with each other would be lovers someday.
Noway! Even I meet my childhood friend again, I can't love him. The love betwen a boy and a girl are diffirent with childhood love or friendship. :angry:
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I don't like people though that a boy and a girl who are childhood friends with each other would be lovers someday.

I don't like that Cloti's think it *proves* Cloud's love for Tifa. Sorry, no - it's possible that a childhood crush can turn into adult love, but it rarely happens. Cloti's think there's no doubt about it, and that's just ridiculous. <_<

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However, at the end, we see Cloud reaching for Aerith's hand at the beginning of the final FMV. Every FF game has a final FMV. However, the creators chose to include this moment between Cloud and Aerith in the FMV. The moment we see Cloud reaching for Aerith's hand is the only time in the game in which we see Cloud reciprocating the feelings of another. Cloud reaches for Aerith first, and then Aerith's hand appears from the Lifestream, reaching for him. This was the only romantic moment in the game, IMO.

Absolutely, FFG. The hand reach scene seemed incredibly romantic to me. However, there was nothing romantic whatsoever about the HW scene, IMO. If anything, it showed Tifa and Cloud being awkward with one another and having a hard time communicating (as usual - we saw the same thing in CoT and AC/ACC).

Ye know, if anything proves that nothing happened between Cloud and Tifa that night, it's the fact that the others watched. Unless everyone in Avalanche is an absolute perv, why would they all watch Cloud and Tifa having sex? <_<
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Ye know, if anything proves that nothing happened between Cloud and Tifa that night, it's the fact that the others watched. Unless everyone in Avalanche is an absolute perv, why would they all watch Cloud and Tifa having sex?
Exactly. What the hell kind of friends go all voyeuristic on you when you are having an intimate moment??? :puke: The CloTi interpretation of the Highwind Scene being sexual makes NO SENSE!!! It turns all of AVALANCHE into a bunch of drooling, disgusting perverts. <_<

Barret: "Ooh, look-- they're doing it! Mmm!" *fap, fap, fap*

Seriously, WTF??? :puke:
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Hmmm. Letting Tifa rest on him makes a good deal of sense. As we all have noted, those rocks are fairly pointy, and if Tifa collapses on him, exhausted, then anyone with a modicum of sense would realize he's more comfortable then a pointy rock.

Most guys have a modicum of chivalry, so he probably thought it would be best for him not to move, and not to push her on the rocks.

That's not going to be comfortable for HIM, oh by the way, but he probably figures his MAKO/JENOVA enhanced body can take pointy rocks better then a normal human's, so he just takes the discomfort.

He didn't have time for nookie. He doesn't even bother to hug her. He probably got some sleep himself. Assuming, again, his enhanced body can ignore the natural discomfort of all those rocks, with the added pressure of weight on top of him.

If he's not that bulletproof, he was probably awake all night, and ended up taking one for the team, as it were, without getting any rest at all.
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Hmmm. Letting Tifa rest on him makes a good deal of sense. As we all have noted, those rocks are fairly pointy, and if Tifa collapses on him, exhausted, then anyone with a modicum of sense would realize he's more comfortable then a pointy rock.

Most guys have a modicum of chivalry, so he probably thought it would be best for him not to move, and not to push her on the rocks.

That's the way I see it, Alex. If nothing else, they did solidify their friendship that night. If Cloud's a friend to Tifa, why would he push her off his shoulder?

Does it mean they had sex? They had sex sitting on top of rocks with their clothes on? >_< It's much more likely that they were talking while seated on the rocks, Tifa fell asleep, and Cloud was too chivalrous to push her off his shoulder.

If you ask me, the answer is right here when Cloud says "......". Look at Tifa's reaction:

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To me, it looks as if Tifa's very hurt... as though Cloud's rejected her.

Tifa waking up with her head on Cloud's shoulder would fit with the idea that he rejected her. If his rejection made her cry, wouldn't Cloud have let her sleep on his shoulder out of pity and guilt?

Also, she asks Cloud for a little more time because they'd never have this moment again. Again, that fits with Cloud rejecting her. They'd never have this moment again because he rejected her.

Then Tifa crumples to the floor and beats her fist the next morning when she realizes that the others had been watching? Wouldn't that fit with Tifa crying because she'd been hurt by Cloud's rejection? Wouldn't she be embarrassed if the others saw her crying?

If you ask me, there's just as much reason to come to the conclusion that Cloud rejected her.
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Hi can I join pretty please?

I don't like the cloti pairing or rabid cloti (they scare me)

I didn't see anything in FFVII or AC that showed Cloud returned Tifa's feelings. Saw plenty of :cleris: though! Hee hee

I mean have they even played FFVII?
Cloud is so cold and withdrawn around tifa and yet when he's with Aerith he comes outta his shell and actually laughs? :headbang:

I don't get cloti logic at all...
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Kuraudo
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Good to have you here, Yunagirl~! It's always good to have more people against C/T. I never saw anything to indicate Cloud returned Tifa's feelings either, which really leads me to wonder about them sometimes. You shall be added. :fish:
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I am Moana of Motunui. I will board my boat, sail across the ocean, and restore the heart of Te Fiti
Yay! Teehee
Thanks. :D
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