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| Rini Mazaki | Apr 30 2009, 07:03 PM Post #256 |
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I always have asked myself about this, too. I mean...Cloud is the shy type, isn't he? If his friends were teasing about them having sex, then Cloud would have yelled at them to "Shut up!" Or! He would have defended Tifa by saying something like, "Yeah, we had sex. Jealous?" Or something very close to that. I mean. I think Cloud would have bragged about it, no? But he doesn't do anything. He just stands there and let's Tifa be all embarrassed. Either Cloud is a jerk that doesn't care about Tifa OR they didn't do anything at all.
And I agree fully with this bit, too. If Cloud and Tifa really had sex under the highwind, then wouldn't Cloud want to have more and more sex with her? O: I mean....Cloud isn't an angel. He has a couple of scenes in the game that he makes a pervertive comment. I'm completely sure that Cloud is a pervert and would want to like..."Woo hoo?" But no! He rather work than spend any time with Tifa. He even moves out of the house. Yup. Cloud is definately madly in love with Tifa.
OMG! Lulz. xDDDD Hahahahahahahaha. This bit made me laugh the most. 8D You know what. I'm going to read that site because this was pretty hilarious. This will be a good laugh for me. |
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| AerisStrife | May 1 2009, 01:41 AM Post #257 |
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Can I still sign up? this would be my first anti cloti club!(only because I've never seen one)
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| Anastar | May 1 2009, 12:57 PM Post #258 |
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Of course you can, AerisStrife! We're always glad to have new members. Welcome to the club! ![]() And great essay, FFG! You bring up some very good points - like why did Cloud let Tifa be all embarrassed by the other Avalanche members the next morning? If he'd had sex with Tifa the night before, why's he talking about meeting Aerith in the Promised Land when he's got Tifa in his arms after the hand reach scene? :lol:
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| LadyAerith | May 1 2009, 01:52 PM Post #259 |
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Ooooo can I join this club too please!? I never used to be Anti-Cloti (but never shipped the pairing) until rabid Clotis sorta ruined that for me. <_< And the whole thing with "Cloud 'n' Tifa had hawt secks under teh Highwind!!!!111ONEONE111!! has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in the Cloti fandom. Even when they woke up the next morning, they were still fully clothed, sitting on the same rock and Cloud had his hands to himself. There was nothing suggestive about their position AT ALL. Truly I can't fathom why somebody would want to have sex on a bunch of jaggedy rocks either. Makes no sense to me. I know I wouldn't. That'd hurt and not be very romantic.
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| Anastar | May 1 2009, 02:33 PM Post #260 |
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I'll sign you up right now, LadyAerith! ![]() Ye know, the idea of Cloud and Tifa having sex under the HW never even occurred to me as I played the game. In fact, I thought it was pretty obvious that Cloud turned Tifa down after her line about "words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking" since he just stood there with a blank look on his face going, "......." after she said that. Then, like you said, the next morning, they're fully clothed while sitting on pointed rocks and Cloud has his hands to himself. What's so romantic about that?
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| Shiva | May 1 2009, 02:46 PM Post #261 |
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LOL, not even the title of the Highwind scene indicates anything romantic! The title of the Highwind Scene, Scene 136, is "Understanding". That's right... Understanding. Not Love, not Confessions of Romantic Interest, not Cloud and Tifa Bonus Porno... not anything that remotely suggests that the scene itself contains romance of any sort. While the title of the scene may not fit into CloTi interpretations of what this scene is about, it fits perfectly into the ClAeris interpretation. Another thing of interest is the title of Scene 15, which is the scene of Cloud and Aerith talking in the playground. The title of this scene is "Playground Ai". If you know anything about Japanese, you know that ai means "love". So, the "CloTi sex scene" gets the title of "Understanding" while a scene of Cloud and Aerith talking cutely in a playground actually gets the word "love" in it. How much more obvious can you get? So... why would S-E have a problem with including the word "love" in the title for the Highwind Scene if it actually contained something romantic? They didn't have a problem with putting the word "love" in a cute scene involving Cloud and Aerith (or even in the official US FFVII commercial, which used the word "love" when showing Cloud and Aerith). Maybe its because the Highwind Scene doesn't contain anything romantic. It's all about Cloud and Tifa coming to a proper understanding of their feelings and past mistakes. How can we make it any more clear? <_< |
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| Kuraudo | May 2 2009, 02:24 AM Post #262 |
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That's a very good point, FFG. I never knew the playgroud scene was titled that. It does make sense, since SE has referred to that scene as a date in itself. The main problem I have with the Highwind scene is what it would mean for Cloud's character if he and Tifa did have sex. Anyone with a semi-decent grasp on Cloud's character knows how out of character that would be for him to do. For him to show no real romantic interest in Tifa for the first part of the game, and then up and have sex with her the night before they could all die just to get off on it? After that, for him to go on treating Tifa the way he does for the rest of the Compilation? I cannot accept that. That would be awful for him to do, and I would lose respect for him. Cloud would never do something like that, which is why I've never even bothered to really consider the idea that they had sex in that scene. To think that there are people out there who truly believe Cloud would do that makes me laugh, honestly. |
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| AerisStrife | May 6 2009, 03:36 AM Post #263 |
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Sex doesnt have to mean love maybe cloud and tifa did do it(although I dont think they did) for all we know it could have been a one night stand but the next morning cloud didnt give a sh@#$ about tifa! let the clotis rabid on that they did have sex that still dosent prove that cloud loves tifa :lol:I do agree that it would be out of character for cloud to even think about sex let alone do it
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| Anastar | May 6 2009, 03:20 PM Post #264 |
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I have to say that the first time I heard a Cloti say that Cloud and Tifa had sex under the HW, I was like, "How the hell did you get that idea?!?" :lol: Cloti's seem to think it's so obvious - but seriously, that thought never even occurred to me when I played the game.
That's the way I see it, too, Kura. I thought Cloud's affection for Aerith was obvious during the game, but I didn't see Cloud showing any romantic interest in Tifa. The only thing was when he admitted to having a crush on her as a kid. But since when does a childhood crush = true love? Plus, like you said, he doesn't show any romantic interest in Tifa after the HW scene in FFVII. Nor do we see Cloud showing any romantic interest toward Tifa in DoC, AC, or ACC. If SE wanted to make Cloti canon, they would've made it obvious by now. The only scenes with obvious romantic implications that I've seen are in FFVII, AC, and ACC between Cloud and Aerith. |
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| Sadhana | May 6 2009, 04:58 PM Post #265 |
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I completely agree. If a guy ever treated me that way, to have sex with me and then go on like nothing happen, I wouldn't be very happy with him. And this is Cloud we're talking about. He's so dang shy and emotionally closed off. He's supposed to just up and bone Tifa in a one night stand? Clearly, I am also one of the many here who was rather surprised to first hear the theory that any such thing occurred in the Highwind scene. |
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| Shiva | May 6 2009, 06:49 PM Post #266 |
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Seriously, it makes Cloud look like a cold-hearted bastard who uses Tifa and then strings her along for two years! He treats her like a doormat and the scariest part of it all is that CloTi fans are okay with that. WTF?!Exactly! It would be extremely out-of-character for Cloud to even hug someone, and CloTis want me to believe he would actually nail Tifa on a pointy rock in front of everyone??? ![]() Cloud is the type of person that would wait to have intimate contact with a woman until he was totally comfortable with himself and with her. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Cloud was a virgin, considering the life he has had. And he certainly wouldn't jump into his first time on the ground under an airship with someone he has shown no interest in previously, someone who caused him grief in the past. |
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| Jon Snow | May 6 2009, 07:28 PM Post #267 |
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That's because they don't care about what the characters look like or what strange scenarios they go through as long as Tifa gets what she wants. Weirdest part of it all has to be that their ok with it, like you said. It boggles my mind on why they would want a relationship where the dude supposedly uses a girl, leaves her to live in an other woman's church, etc, etc, etc, it truly is strange.
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| Shiva | May 7 2009, 03:25 PM Post #268 |
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The CloTi interpretation of the Highwind Scene makes EVERYONE seem OOC, IMO. Not only does it make Cloud look like a complete dick and Tifa a spineless wimp who lets him treat her like dirt, but it makes the rest of AVALANCHE look like a bunch of voyeuristic perverts. Seriously, their friends were watching everything that happened that night. Tifa's line of "....Were you watching?" in the High Affection version confirms this. Isn't it more likely that they watched Tifa sleeping on Cloud's shoulder rather than being a bunch of sick freaks and watching them bang on a rock? I mean, WTF kind of friends would do that???
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| Beatrix | May 7 2009, 05:17 PM Post #269 |
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You know, even if I were a Cloti fan, I would still think that this interpretation is sick. Come on... Maybe the writers have thought of the possibility of an intimate scene between Cloud and Tifa ( you know, like getting a room in the airship... I think I read that in an interview ), but it was REJECTED ( wonder why ? ) ! IMO, the only thing that happened is Tifa resting her head on Cloud's shoulder... a scene JUST looking romantic... but very very awkward... and IMO, Tifa was the only one who wanted something here (so Cloud was just being as nice as he could be... but he didn't seek the same thing from her apparently)... just like this scene in Case of Tifa, when she asked him if he loved her... he never ANSWERED (maybe he's scared of a relationship with her... or insecure... or confused because he holds strong feelings for another woman... but you have to admit, if they did have sex on that rock... why do they not sleep together now ? Why do they not kiss ? Why something seems to be off all the time in Case of Tifa ? Why can't they communicate better ? Nothing happened between them and that's how it is ) !
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| Shiva | May 7 2009, 05:41 PM Post #270 |
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Yeah, some random staff member wrote up a scenario where Cloud and Tifa disappear into the Chocobo Room, but it was outright rejected. Gee, they didn't think having sex in itchy hay and smelly chocobo s**t was romantic? Wonder why? Highly romantic moments in FF games are usually highlighted with an FMV, especially when it is reciprocated love. The scene in the cockpit between Squall and Rinoa in FFVIII did not receive an FMV. Why? Because Squall was still uncomfortable with expressing himself to Rinoa. You could tell that he cared for her, but Rinoa was the only one openly expressing it. However, later, when Squall rescues Rinoa, and they are reunited, you have an FMV of them hugging each other-- a reciprocated love. Later, at the end, you have an FMV of them kissing on the balcony at Balamb Garden. Again, a reciprocated love. In FFIX, Zidane and Garnet are shown hugging each other tight in the final FMV-- once again, they show that they love one another openly. In FFX, Tidus and Yuna are shown at the spring in a highly romantic moment of reciprocated love. They kiss, embrace, and caress one another. They are openly affectionate with each other. So, what about the Highwind scene? If it was so "romantic", where is the FMV? Is this because it is not a moment of reciprocated love? Yes. Tifa has feelings for Cloud, but he clearly does not feel the same when he remains silent. However, at the end, we see Cloud reaching for Aerith's hand at the beginning of the final FMV. Every FF game has a final FMV. However, the creators chose to include this moment between Cloud and Aerith in the FMV. The moment we see Cloud reaching for Aerith's hand is the only time in the game in which we see Cloud reciprocating the feelings of another. Cloud reaches for Aerith first, and then Aerith's hand appears from the Lifestream, reaching for him. This was the only romantic moment in the game, IMO. After that, we see the conclusion of FFVII with the rest of the final FMV. The hand reach scene also received special homage in Advent Children. The Highwind scene did not. The fact that Tifa would even need to ask Cloud if he loves her proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing of a romantic nature happened that night under the Highwind. If there was love consummated that night under the Highwind, or love confessed and reciprocated by the two of them, Tifa would have no need to ask this question. Add in the fact that Cloud responds with a "perplexed" look and the picture becomes more clear. For those of you who don't know, "perplexed" means "to confuse or trouble with uncertainty or doubt". Why would Cloud look doubtful at Tifa's question if he loves her and proved it under the Highwind somehow? Immediately afterward, Cloud admits that he loves Marlene. And yet he couldn't admit that with Tifa? Didn't you CloTis say that Cloud had already confessed his love to Tifa under the Highwind? So, why can't he tell her again if he's already said it once? Does Cloud perhaps not wish to answer because he doesn't love Tifa romantically, only in a platonic sense (and has never told her that he loves her, as CloTis want me to believe)? Does Cloud look confused because he isn't sure if Tifa is asking this as a sort of platonic love or in a romantic way? If Cloud really did love Tifa in a romantic sense, he would have said "yes" to her, regardless of the meaning she implied. Instead, he looked doubtful and confused, and chose to remain silent, which speaks volumes about Cloud's true feelings. |
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this would be my first anti cloti club!(only because I've never seen one)

You bring up some very good points - like why did Cloud let Tifa be all embarrassed by the other Avalanche members the next morning? If he'd had sex with Tifa the night before, why's he talking about meeting Aerith in the Promised Land when he's got Tifa in his arms after the hand reach scene? :lol:

I never used to be Anti-Cloti (but never shipped the pairing) until rabid Clotis sorta ruined that for me. <_< And the whole thing with "Cloud 'n' Tifa had hawt secks under teh Highwind!!!!111ONEONE111!! has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in the Cloti fandom. Even when they woke up the next morning, they were still fully clothed, sitting on the same rock and Cloud had his hands to himself. There was nothing suggestive about their position AT ALL. Truly I can't fathom why somebody would want to have sex on a bunch of jaggedy rocks either. Makes no sense to me.

WTF?!
wonder why ? ) ! IMO, the only thing that happened is Tifa resting her head on Cloud's shoulder... a scene JUST looking romantic... but very very awkward... and IMO, Tifa was the only one who wanted something here (so Cloud was just being as nice as he could be... but he didn't seek the same thing from her apparently)... just like this scene in Case of Tifa, when she asked him if he loved her... he never ANSWERED (maybe he's scared of a relationship with her... or insecure... or confused because he holds strong feelings for another woman... but you have to admit, if they did have sex on that rock... why do they not sleep together now ? Why do they not kiss ? Why something seems to be off all the time in Case of Tifa ? Why can't they communicate better ? Nothing happened between them and that's how it is ) !

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