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Topic Started: Feb 18 2005, 04:57 PM (15,273 Views)
Asuka
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(btw I joined that hate listing yeeeeaaaars ago)

Aerife, for many CloTi's the reason why they like Cloud x Tifa is because Aerith's dead (that and Tifa has big boobies) and that 'Cloud isn't a necrophiliac'.

The reason why I don't like CloTi is because as Anastar said, they're clearly incompatible with each other.
Tifa is also very insecure and drags Cloud down with her negativity, while Aerith tends to make him...well, a little less negative.

I'll add more later :P

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Shiva
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Welcome, Asuka! ^_^
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In some movies, I've seen a boy and girl as childhood friends. But the boy ended up falling in love with a girl other than his childhood friend. And his childhood friend accepted it, even though she envisioned a future with her friend. She just wanted her friend to be happy. IMHO, Cloti is no different.


I agree. Not every childhood friendship turns into love.
Honestly though, Cloud and Tifa weren't even childhood friends to begin with. They were aware of each other's existence but they were never close, and Tifa even admits that. The fans like to think they were these two great childhood friends who made some beautiful promise to one another under the stars before they parted. They ignore the truth of Cloud's childhood(which was filled with troubles) and the fact that Cloud and Tifa were never close. I mean, these two only talked once before Cloud left Nibelheim. Couples like Dart and Shana from Legend of Dragoon were true childhood friends. I wouldn't stick Cloud and Tifa anywhere near that category.
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EDIT: It says "Data has been sent" but when I click on "return to website", it says "page not found". Does that mean my registration has been cancelled? I registered twice already, but no luck. I'm not on the list.

PM member Materia Thief about it. She's the one who runs it. ^_^

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I agree. Not every childhood friendship turns into love.
Honestly though, Cloud and Tifa weren't even childhood friends to begin with. They were aware of each other's existence but they were never close, and Tifa even admits that.

Exactly, HD. In reality, Cloud and Tifa hardly knew one another as kids, and Tifa admits that during the Lifestream Event:

Tifa "...that's right."
"We lived next to each other."
"But I really didn't know you that well."


So she admits right there that they weren't truely childhood friends. Besides, we all know that it's *very* rare for people to grow up and marry someone they had a crush on as a kid? :lol:

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Aerife, for many CloTi's the reason why they like Cloud x Tifa is because Aerith's dead (that and Tifa has big boobies) and that 'Cloud isn't a necrophiliac'.

Yeppers, that's another one. They like to think that the Love Triangle means that Cloud loves both girls. Therefore, if Aerith is dead, Cloud will definitely end up with Tifa unless he's a necrophiliac. <_< What they don't understand is that a Love Triangle means that both Tifa and Aerith love Cloud, not that Cloud loves both girls. That's clearly shown by the definition of a Love Triangle:

love triangle noun
a situation where two people both love a third person.


From Cambridge Dictionaries Online

It doesn't say that *one* person (Cloud) loves two other people. It clearly says that *two* people (Aerith and Tifa) both love a third person (Cloud).

Asuka
 
Tifa is also very insecure and drags Cloud down with her negativity, while Aerith tends to make him...well, a little less negative.

I see it exactly the same way, Asuka.
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I don't really want to join ( I don't hate Cloti, I just have some problems with this pairing *plus, I never was amazed by childhood friends becoming lovers... Bart/Margie from Xenogears or Ed/Winry from FMA for example... they act more like siblings than anything else, even if the story hints a potential love story... Cloud and Tifa aren't even true childhood friends... their relationship was messed up since the beginning... and Tifa ends up hoping Cloud to change into superman, while Cloud ends up thinking of her as a perfect and uber strong teenage superstar who can help him more than he can help her... they aren't on the same wavelength*... and yet I can see them trying to understand each other in the future ).

But I'd liked to say that some Cloti fans (those invaders) really got on my nerves recently. They can't talk without spitting insults, that's crazy.

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Aerife, for many CloTi's the reason why they like Cloud x Tifa is because Aerith's dead (that and Tifa has big boobies) and that 'Cloud isn't a necrophiliac'.


So many Cloti don't understand the power of love. That's not because someone you loved just died that you have to forget him/her like he/she was nothing and get together with one of your former (troublesome) love interest. Because of the death of a loved one, you can decide to kill yourself, you can decide to live alone forever, you can decide to start a new life as well ( but it takes a lot of time to do that and very often, you are not the one willing to do it on your own since you love that dead person, someone you think deserves to be remembered by you... that's why you will not love someone else very quickly... I know that because I know 2 people like that... a woman who lost her husband and refuse to remarry and a friend of mine who lost his girlfriend in a tragic accident... and refused to have a relationship with other girls during a long time ). If you continue to love your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband after his/her death, that doesn't make you a necrophiliac ( so if I follow some Cloti fans logic, Yuna is a necrophiliac ROFL :lmao: ).

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BTW, do you mean "his" instead of "her" on that bolded part?


Oh yeah... thank you. I corrected it :gift: .
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If you continue to love your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband after his/her death, that doesn't make you a necrophiliac ( so if I follow some Cloti fans logic, Yuna is a necrophiliac ROFL
Yep, there are lots of necrophiliacs in FF. :rolleyes: S-E must love them. Some examples: Vincent, Laguna, Shuyin, Ashe....
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Nov 4 2008, 04:33 PM
So many Cloti don't understand the power of love. That's not because someone you loved just died that you have to forget him/her like he/she was nothing and get together with one of your former (troublesome) love interest. Because of the death of a loved one, you can decide to kill yourself, you can decide to live alone forever, you can decide to start a new life as well ( but it takes a lot of time to do that and very often, you are not the one willing to do it on your own since you loves that dead someone, someone you think deserves to be remembered by you... that's why you will not love someone else very quickly... I know that because I know 2 people like that... a woman who lost her husband and refuse to remarry and a friend of mine who lost her girlfriend in a tragic accident... and refused to have a relationship with other girls during a long time ). If you continue to love your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband after his/her death, that doesn't make you a necrophiliac ( so if I follow some Cloti fans logic, Yuna is a necrophiliac ROFL  :lmao:  ).

I agree 100%. BTW, do you mean "his" instead of "her" on that bolded part? But I'm so sorry to hear that :(

You know, Rose made the promise to Jack that she'd survive and move on. And so she did. She married someone else, and lived the kind of life that she wanted to live with Jack (as hinted by the many pictures shown in her room at the ending). At the ending of the film (Titanic if it wasn't obvious already!), you see Rose's desire to be with Jack. Where's her husband then? That showed me proof that even though Rose had moved on with someone other than her true love, she had always kept Jack in her heart through her 80+ years of life. Rose's first love was Cal Hockley, but we all know what kind of a bastard he ended up being :whistle:

So Cloud moving on with Tifa COULD be a possibility (and that's a pretty big "could"), but I am of the opinion that he will always hold Aerith the most dear to him. And I'm talking about the present only. You know what I'd bring up if I were to talk about the future =/
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but I am of the opinion that he will always hold Aerith the most dear to him.

From what I understand, I think that's pretty clearly indicated by Saeki's translation of the DoC game manual here.
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Nov 4 2008, 04:48 PM
Beatrix
 
If you continue to love your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband after his/her death, that doesn't make you a necrophiliac ( so if I follow some Cloti fans logic, Yuna is a necrophiliac ROFL
Yep, there are lots of necrophiliacs in FF. :rolleyes: S-E must love them. Some examples: Vincent, Laguna, Shuyin, Ashe....

Don't forget Locke, he pined over Rachel even when she was dead; and what happen when he revived her for that short time?
She told him to stop feeling guilty over her death and to move on (sounds like another couple we know, eh?)
Unfortunately it seems he moved on with Celes...<_<

:lol: Necrophiliac's are the lasted craze in Final Fantasy.


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So Cloud moving on with Tifa COULD be a possibility (and that's a pretty big "could"), but I am of the opinion that he will always hold Aerith the most dear to him.


Cloud would rather run away and die than be with Tifa (as shown in AC) :P


Beatrix, I feel the same way about CloTi, I dislike the parings rabid fans but I don't absolutely loathe the pairing (but I wouldn't like seeing CxT together as canon).
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Gah I must never venture on the imdb.com forums ever again, I've learned my lesson. I could post there but I decided against long before I was a FF fan. They were discussing ACC, they were all demanding more Cloti scenes and that Zack and Aerith should just kiss in front of everyone (in other words Cloud, and maybe those 2 kids.. who else noticed her). I smirked a little at the idiocy (is that even a word) and newbieness, but I was a little miffed as well.

I kinda get the Zerith fans, kinda.. they were canon and everything, they had a cute relationship.. Surely they would of kissed in CC anyway if SE wanted to show fans that, but Cloti *snooze* It's boring, why do people want it. I never knew people would want two characters together just cos they're both hawt. Imo (tho as a straight girl but nm), Aerith is so much better looking *shrug*
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The latest stupid CloTi thing I've heard: "OMG TIFA IZ SOOO GONNA 'THANK' CLOUD FOR SAVIN HER LATER *HINT, HINT*!!!"

Yeah, and Barret is sooooo gonna "thank" Cloud later, too. Oh, and he owes Yuffie as well... and Red XIII.... :puke: And Denzel owes Barret some "favors", too. Hell, it's just going to be a giant sex-fest later with everyone "thanking" each other! Cloud actually owes Aerith for saving his life... three times! So, he'd best be popping some Viagra!

:lmao:
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Why haven't I noticed this thread before? o_____o
I WANT TO JOIN THE FUN!
I am against Cloti, as well.
I'm not against Tifa because I like Tifa, but....in every roleplay that I'm in at Gaia...all Tifa's tend to like take advantage of Cloud. .____.;
For example, in this thread, we are roleplaying a SE kinda roleplay, but the Tifa in this rp is really good.
In character.
But there was a scene that got everyone going, "WTF?"
And now the people in the thread are arguing if Tifa would really take advantage of the situation.

Let me quote a girl that used to be a Cloti fan who just switched to Clerith.


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Yup, he is because of those reasons. -points to post- Denzel loves Tifa and Cloud, but he can't see them together, or at least, not for very long. If we looked at all the FFVII games and novellas, then it's obvious that Cloud and Tifa's relationship will be full of lies and secets. I think the only thing they both will like is the sex. But having sex with someone that you don't love will get boring over time. I think even a ten year old would know them especially in today's society.

I don't mind you asking, at all. I used to be really neutral about Cloud x Tifa and Cloud x Aerith, but the Clotis tend to like twist the words around. Like the whole koibito comment about Tifa was an example. Then the Clotis claim that Cloud and Tifa had sex under the highwind which is ridiculous. Yes. Cloud and Tifa are going to have sex on the cold, dirty, and hard ground full of rocks. Sounds romantic. Then again, if Cloud really had sex with Tifa, then I don't like Cloud anymore. He doesn't have any honor and is a jerk because the way he treats Tifa after FFVII is really the opposite of what a man treats a women after having sex even if it's a one night stand.

Now, the reason that I like Clerith is thanks to you and Shiori. I was lurking this roleplay when it was first created in the original thread, but I didn't know if I wanted to join or not. I don't know. I didn't like the interaction between Cloud and Tifa at all. Don't get me wrong. Both Shiori and Izumi were in character, but...I don't know. It wasn't good? I mean, I felt instant chemistry between Cloud and Aerith. Those two were like having fun and actually acting like a couple. Yeah, Aerith clinged onto Cloud, but she did it for the fun of messing with him, but she was wet and cold, too. So yeah, I could see Aerith being playful. What I like about Aerith is that she doesn't throw herself to Cloud like Tifa did. Tifa was the one that made-out with Cloud while he was in a emotional meltdown. No! I call that rape because Cloud wasn't in his right mind. You just don't take advantage of that situation. If Tifa acted differently, then yeah...I would still remain neutral, but that unexpected kiss was...I don't know. Bad. I felt like Tifa took advantage of Cloud like that. That kind of scene wasn't needed, at all.

I don't know, but I feel like Tifa is forcing a bond with Cloud while Aerith and Cloud naturally have one. Do you get what I'm saying? In FFVII, you also notice that Cloud and Aerith naturally make a bond which gets everyone's attention especially Tifa. In the Ultamanium, Tifa is jealous of that bond between them. It just gives me more reason that Cloud and Aerith were really lovers in the game. I bet they secretly were dating.


So yeah, I agree with this girl like 100%
If anyone is interested in reading the roleplay thread, then I'll post it here, so you can see what happened and why Tifa was pushed to do that.

Oops...I think I went off topic. >___<
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Very interesting comments by that person in the roleplay, Rini! Thanks for sharing! ^_^

I'll sign you up as a member right now. It's great to see this thread revived! :yes:
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[/nods] Mmm.
I continued the conversation in the pms, for the thread almost got into a big fight over it.
There too many people who are Cloti fans.
I think only three or four of us is Clerith fans and everyone else loves Cloti.
This girl changed sides.
Although, the girl is roleplaying Tifa is complaining that we're being unfair to her.
Something about everyone is going against the Cloti pairing, but I was all, "Hello. Look at the OOC Board!"
People there were complaining, too.
Saying that Cloud should leave Aerith and stick with Tifa. .____.;

Anyway!
Yay!
Thank you, Anaster. :aeris:
We really need to revive this thread.
[/pokes thread] :3
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Then the Clotis claim that Cloud and Tifa had sex under the highwind which is ridiculous. Yes. Cloud and Tifa are going to have sex on the cold, dirty, and hard ground full of rocks. Sounds romantic. Then again, if Cloud really had sex with Tifa, then I don't like Cloud anymore. He doesn't have any honor and is a jerk because the way he treats Tifa after FFVII is really the opposite of what a man treats a women after having sex even if it's a one night stand.
Absolutely! :yes: Actually, I wrote up a little something on the CloTi idea of Cloud and Tifa's relationship and why it doesn't make sense on my site. Here's a little bit of it:

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The CloTi Perspective: Cloud and Tifa are left alone at the Highwind. They confess that they love each other and always have, even though they didn't know each other at all as kids. Tifa, not wanting to die a virgin, propositions Cloud and they have sex out in plain sight on a group of pointy rocks while their friends watch.

Later, on the Highwind, their friends tease them about the porno they put on under the Highwind. Tifa is mortified, but Cloud, being used to people watch him have sex on pointy rocks, doesn't even flinch. He leaves Tifa to be teased and says nothing to defend her.

After the fight with Sephiroth, Cloud finds himself surrounded by Lifestream. He thinks only of another woman he once knew who died (rather than the one he just last night confessed to love), and reaches toward the Lifestream, hoping to see her again. He is rewarded by a glimpse of her hand and reaches for it, only to realize that the crater around him is crumbling. He grabs the hand only to discover it is Tifa's hand, and that they are in mortal danger. While he and Tifa are being hoisted to safety, Cloud can only think of this other dead woman and meeting her again in the Promised Land, a place of supreme happiness. Tifa, who he confessed to love just last night, is completely ignored as she clings to him. Not wanting to be left out, she invites herself along.

During CoT, Cloud moves into the new and improved Seventh Heaven with Barret, Tifa, and Marlene. He makes sure to have his own room, not wanting to share a bed with the woman he confessed to love and has already had sex with once. He also fixes up a motorcycle and starts staying gone all the time, leaving his "true love" by herself most days.

One night, Tifa steals into Cloud's room. He's been treating her so badly that she actually has to ask him if he loves her. Cloud just stares at her and doesn't answer. Embarrassed, she quickly changes her question, asking him if he loves Marlene. He easily answers 'yes' to that particular question.

Later in the story, Tifa's feelings for Cloud begin to change into "those a mother would have". After all, Tifa is a pedophile and dressing up Cloud like a little boy has always been her fantasy. Nothing turns her on like incest.


:lmao: Mean, but true.... You can see more of my essay here. :D
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