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| Is Cloudxaerith Unrealistic?; In AC | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 3 2005, 01:57 AM (1,380 Views) | |
| Enima | Feb 5 2005, 05:29 PM Post #16 |
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Aerith's little sister
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Wow, I never thought of that.I've always wondered what the meaning of the title was.:lol: I guess that goes to show that a person's imagination can go a long way if it was given the chance. :) For me, if Square chooses for Cloud to die to meet Aerith or brings her back for Cloud, or whichever way they see fit to bring them together, I'll be glad and accept it. I'm sure they would want Cloud to be reunited with Aerith as much as we do. Besides, Cloud x Aerith was to be the main couple of FFVII anyway, right? :ph43r: |
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| Nya | Apr 12 2005, 03:17 PM Post #17 |
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Well if CloudxAerith is unrealistic, what makes CloTi? the childhood friends thing have been used billion of times, and the CloTis think it's original? Besides since we all agree that Final FANTASY has some unrealistic stuff in it, isn't that good? Besides what about Tifa? *sorry* her B-s are kinda unrealistic too. Maybe the CloTis find CloRith to be unrealistic because they're relationship is REALLY just that beautiful, and things that beautiful can never exist. =O
YEAH If Cloud did love Tifa, I'd imagine him to be around her like all the time. In AC though, he doesn't seem to be concerned about her at all. He's more focused on his 'mission', save the planet, get my revenge?? and get forgiven state. He's probably trying really hard to get to the Promised Land, like what he intended to do in the end of FFVII. if Cloud liked Tifa, Square should have at least HINTED some things. But they didn't!!! Why??? **fake ** (optional stuff /CloTi mind not counted )
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| Enima | Apr 13 2005, 02:49 PM Post #18 |
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Aerith's little sister
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I'd say that Cloudx Aerith is much more realistic than CloudxTifa as for one thing, there's more to love than childhood friends and such. I know that sometimes being childhood friends does bring two people together but doesn't if one has been cruel or ignorant to the other. This fact really makes wonder how the Clotis come up with all the reasons that Cloud is better with Tifa than with Aerith. Are they just ignoring what they see or what? |
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| Hades' Daughter | Apr 13 2005, 07:28 PM Post #19 |
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I pity some people, especially when some of us have to explain that FF games are unrealistic. A story in which Aeris is somehow revived sounds way more mysterious and intriguing than a story in which Cloud gets with his childhood acquaintance because she just happens to be there. If this isn't dull and cheesy, I don't know why Aeris' revival would be considered so. Anyway, Clotis who believe that Tifa is better for Cloud are ignoring what is most important: Cloud's own feelings. People tend to forget that in deciding what's best for him, we should be looking at this from his perspective. Sure, we silly fans can daydream all we want about who he should get with, but when it comes down to the true storyline, it's only Cloud's feelings and decisions that matter. His decisions and feelings were pretty clear during the final FMV, no? KH and Tactics should have clarified his decisions for those silly Clotis who'd been unclear at the end of VII, but gaah...I won't even go into this. Some people never cease to amaze me. Nya:
Exactly, Nya. Cloud and Aeris's story is a very emotional and beautiful one...and AC would have an excellent storyline, drawing it's fans in and leaving them with an emotional impact, if it decides to continue their story. I'm not sure I'd be impressed with a "Cloud moves on with Tifa, the girl who happened to survive" story. <_< |
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| aeriscloud | Apr 13 2005, 10:21 PM Post #20 |
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Exactly, right.Hades'{angelic}daughter If its all one sided, how can you vouch for the other person? You can't. Its quite sad if the other person has no say in it. Its like deciding for your first date or your wedding. You need both inputs from both partners. If you only have one input, how do you know that the other is happy about it? You don't. Why is Cloudxaerith unrealistic? This game is unrealistic in many ways. There's no monsters nor can people used magic. Its in a fantasy world. :lol: Being childhood friends doesn't automatically sums up that its realistic. This game is like any other game that is played. Cloud and aerith is just as realistic of a couple that can be. Losing your loved one and staying devoted to them. Realizing that you loved that person but fate was cruel to you.....oh, the list go on and on. Its really an ordeal that many people face. Even in this real world, people just don't know how they ended up with each other or came to love one another. They could give stories of how they first met or something to happen for their meeting. But its like a feeling inside of each other that brought them together and it holds their relationship together. |
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| Clerith-son | Apr 14 2005, 01:29 AM Post #21 |
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In the middle of dawn. Staring at the twilights.
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I'm an open minded guy, I know that each person has its own perspective, and that's one of the beautiful things of humanity. But, when someone can't respect others people point of view (even if it's wrong), then that person becomes a close minded, and I have seen a lot of close minded Clotis fans, I'm not saying that there aren't close minded Cleris fans (because there are), but I think that I've been in so many FFVII forums, to say I have seen that most of the Clotis fans are much more close minded, almost every Clotis fan disrespect our (Cleris fans) points of view. I don't think that CloudxAerith is unrealistic, primarly because as you have already said the game's not based on a real enviorment, I think that the game's name (Final Fantasy) explains us this. There have been so many famous, philosphers, and writers that have said that love trascends over averything, even death, I think that so does Cloud & Aerith's love. Also just think of it, it is Cloud & Aerith's "imposible" love what have made FFVII a so controversial and complex game, Cloud & Aerith's love, is debated by the Cleris fans, as well by the Clotis fans, even if the points of view varies, is the most debated relationship. I have also seen, that many people say that the Love triangle hasn't been broken yet, because SE, or the FFVII development staff, know that wichever Cloud's love is, some fans will be dissapointed, but let me tell you this, if Shakespere would have asked to the people if they would have wanted to see Romeo & Juliet die at the end, the story would have been as deep and as touching as it was? When you write a story it's your own point the one that counts, you don't write stories to make people happy, you write a story and see how people reacts to it, that is what have made many of the Masterpieces writen till now, what they have become. The FFVII plot writers should know this, and write the story, and lead the Love Triangle as it best fits the story, and as far as we have seen (saying this not as a Cleis fan, but as a guy that can see what real love is) Cloud and Aerith are the true couple, between the three members of the Love Triangle, they are the only ones that compliments each other, and that takes the best out of them. |
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| Anastar | Apr 14 2005, 11:51 AM Post #22 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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You make a good point, Clerith-son. I wish that SE would show who they intended that Cloud love. Haven't KH and FF Tactics have already shown us? Unfortunately, the Cloti's still find that arguable. <_< However, Nomura said something in one interview about how the AC team had decided not to contradict the interpretation of the game held by different players. Along with that statement, he said something about how there are so many different interpretations of the game. Those statements make me think that they will leave AC open to interpretation rather than giving us a final answer.... unfortunately. I'd give you a link to those statements, but AC.net has changed it's servers, so my links to Nomura's interviews no longer work.
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| Clerith-son | Apr 14 2005, 09:43 PM Post #23 |
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I agree with Mr. Testuya Nomura, in not giving any final words on the Love Triangle or any other mystery of FFVII, at least that's what I would do. See, if they told us which of the two girls of the Love Triangle (Aerith or Tifa), he's gtoing to choose, wouldn't it make some people (Cleris fans or Clotis fans) less interested in watching the movie, since what they belived in, wasn't what SE decided? Also if they show all of their cards, specially reveal the true couple of the Love Triangle, wouldn't it make the movie less surprising? See what we're doing know, we're exposing and debating our points, of what we belive that happened in the game (resolve its mysteries) and how the movie will be, Why? because we don't know for sure, what's going to happen. I think that they decided not to contradict the interpretations of they game, so that everything becomes clear in the movie and not before, the more uncertain the plot, the more interesting the movie turns. |
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| Kusari Yarou | Apr 16 2005, 04:55 PM Post #24 |
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But you know what, I’m irritated when Clotis tell us off for speculating about Cloud’s feelings and Advent Children in general. They keep repeating that we haven’t seen the movie yet so we’ve got no right to make inferences on everything we’ve seen so far. For example, the latest Cloti entries in the AC.net debate are basically skeptical of a lot of our interpretations: that there is an emotional gap between Cloud and Tifa; that Aerith is one of the primary reasons why Cloud is fighting(maybe even the main reason) etc. Ok, I know we haven’t seen AC yet, but SE has given us a lot of clues on the emotional state of Cloud in the movie, especially with regard to his relationship with Aerith. <_< Besides, they’re just speculations…at least they are based on actual, reliable evidence and not on a movie ticket and a ridiculous theory of banging under the Highwind :rolleyes: |
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| Enima | Apr 25 2005, 07:04 AM Post #25 |
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Aerith's little sister
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You know what, I think they just don't want us to get our hopes up and that they're so confident that AC is gonna be a Cloti movie and not a Clorith movie. But just watching the trailers and all,I'd say that they are the ones having the interpretations and not us. I've seen Cloud's eyes in the trailers in the scenes when he's with or thinking of Aerith. Even in the scene where they are in the flowerfield, it's like his eyes can't believe it's her and wants to get a real good look but then he couldn't. I maybe just speculating, but hey, atleast I'm not boasting that I'm right or wrong. I'm just having a personal theory of what may happen or not. They themselves have no right to bug us as they, too have not seen the movie . They are doing the same thing as we are and deny it when they bug us. That is so unfair.
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| Clerith-son | Apr 26 2005, 04:54 PM Post #26 |
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We can't change that, they won't belive in anything that we say, since they have their own interpretations about the game and Cloud's feelings, and so as ours, ahould be respected. We as Cleris's have our very own interpretation for the game and Cloud's feelings, that's our truth, and he should belive in it, even if Clotis like to bash our ideas. |
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| Enima | Apr 27 2005, 05:10 AM Post #27 |
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That's true, but why bash us when we're just doing the (sort of) same thing as they are? |
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| aerithstrife | Apr 27 2005, 10:54 PM Post #28 |
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Ore wa gundam!
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Well....That's sorta true. But the majority of the time,its mostly Clotis. Even non-fans who doesn't care about the love triangle or couple thing get bashed on by Clotis also. Its like, their word is LAW. Whatever they say must rule the world. I met a quite a lot of non-fans who are intrigue by the movie or interested but can't even say what they want without Clotis jumping at their throat and flame/bash them. At least the difference between both groups is that we're not boasting and flaming people and telling them to "Stop denying what's in your face, it's all about Cloud and Tifa because of ...this...and ...that". I gotton quite tired of hearing those words and some Clotis acting like they already saw the movie. <_< |
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| Enima | Apr 28 2005, 04:29 AM Post #29 |
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Aerith's little sister
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Tell me about it, my brother is sort of acting the same way, but everytime I ask the guy at the comic store which I frequently go to, he boasts and says, "Kak, it's not out yet, I know for a fact as I check the website all the time," or something like it. Ai... and nowadays he acts like I don't exist just because of a quarrel we had. And if I surf in to any of the sites he goes to, he scolds me and says, "I've found this site first so it's mine, look for a different site!!" sigh... I often wonder why he's like this and goes to such extremes to show that he's right. ![]() (Uhm... 'Kak' is short for 'Kakak' in Malay which means = big sister.) (But he dislikes to call me that just because he's bigger <_< ) Anyway, I'm glad that AC is coming out soon and I hope we get it as soon as it comes out .![]() (uh.. sorry if I went out of topic )
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| eyes of a fighter | May 1 2005, 05:50 AM Post #30 |
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Wow if someone ever said that to me id kick there ass (Sorry Off Topic) Unrealistic my ass the name FINAL FANTASY then you know theres that using magic abilitey and summiong giant mosters at your will a Giant weapon moster created by the planet its self and Oh yea giant chickens that can walk on water and ride over any mountrain........Yea thats the more realistic than life itself a clorti once said "Its my way or ill kill you" how true
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