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| Hades' Daughter | Apr 18 2005, 10:12 PM Post #46 |
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Cleris Extremist
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Cloud's Girl:
I agree here. In my opinion, angsty Cloud from AC is very much in character with the Cloud we all know from the game. Before he'd acquired his leadership role in saving the Planet, he was always the troubled and distant loner who is now, once again, being portrayed in AC. Considering all the tragedies he's had to face(Aeris' death, his manipulation by Sephiroth, etc.), his seemingly even more angsty characteristic is very reasonable, and not at all out of character. Especially now that he's accomplished his goal of saving the Planet, he probably feels he can finally focus on his personal problems. Just because he'd pushed all his personal feelings aside to take on the responsibility of saving the Planet, it doesn't mean that he'd gotten over his troubles and had become the "happy" Cloud that so many people invision their "hero" to be. True that he'd attained somewhat of some peace on a worldly level (he'd saved the planet), but what about his own personal feelings/issues? Did he ever come to term with them? Definitely not. In fact, because he didn't settle down, but decided to go find Aeris and the Promised Land, I think it's quite clear that he'd remained an angsty hero at the end, and logically, he would probably continue to be so in AC. Basically, I've never seen Cloud at peace and "happy" with himself, and so I also feel that a happy Cloud who settles down at the end of AC would actually seem more out of character than a Cloud who remaines somewhat angsty. At the most, if he decides to forgive himself and move on with life, he'll probably be a content loner, not a happy hero who'll settle down with Tifa or anyone else for that matter. |
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| Buhon | Apr 19 2005, 06:31 AM Post #47 |
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Haha, I'm glad you share my view Hades. I was afraid my observation had got lost in the shuffle. But yes, I'm rather concerned about that, lol.
I, too, totally agree with your statement. Very shrewd, CG! Personally, Cloud's complexity is part of the reason I like his character. In fact, many of the characters from FF7, and, undoubtedly, the game itself, are all quite complex. That's part of why I'm so fond of it. I can't imagine why some people choose not to acknowledge this fact, but many people seem to do so. For me, the "complexity" added so much to the game for me, that I just can't fathom how others would not want to, or be able to, perceive it. Also, with regards to what everyone else has said, it never even occurred to me that the "angsty Cloud" we've seen so far from AC wasn't anything but 100% true to Cloud's originally designed character. It floors me that anyone could possibly argue that this portrayal of Cloud is "fanservice." Has anyone actually encountered anyone what actually argues this? Pardon my naivite, but what does "OOC" stand for? |
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| Anastar | Apr 19 2005, 02:47 PM Post #48 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I completely agree, Angelic. To see Cloud turn into some happy, carefree guy with no cares in the world and strolling into the sunset with some girl on his arm would completely ruin Cloud's character. That would be far more OOC than the angsty Cloud we see in AC. If Cloud survives, it'd be far more in character for him to remain a loner, although I'm not sure that Cloud will ever be "content". I think Cloud will always be haunted by insecurities, shyness, and lack of confidence. That's why I say that Cloud, in a sense, had already moved on with his life during the last two years. Even if he's been living a solitary life, he's been doing something meaningful by working with the orphans. He's been travelling around on Fenrir, probably because it's something he wanted to do. Even though he's been haunted by guilt, he didn't let it incapacitate him. That is moving on with his life... just not in the way that many people want him to move on. ;)
Very well said, CG!
OOC = Out of Character
Primarily, the argument is that Cloud wasn't angsty in FFVII. The same thing is said about Cloud in KH - that Cloud is OOC in KH because of his angst. I remember debating the angst issue even before we heard of AC because Cloti's were claiming that KH Cloud was OOC. Now Cloud is angsty in AC, too, so the Cloti's continue to claim that it's OOC for Cloud. It's because the Cloti's interpret FFVII to portray Cloud resolving all of his issues during the Lifestream Event with Tifa and then finding love with Tifa under the Highwind so that all of his problems were left behind. |
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| Hades' Daughter | Apr 19 2005, 07:12 PM Post #49 |
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Cleris Extremist
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Anastar:
I think I was just referring to Cloud being able to move on and being content with himself concerning the "guilt" factor. As for his shyness, lack of confidence, and insecurities...I agree with you. Those are his characteristics/a part of his personality...and so I'm "afraid" he'll always be that way. *huggles poor Cloud*
Those Clotis are terrible... <_< The angsty Cloud in KH is very much so like the one in VII. *ahem* If they never noticed...Cloud's "not so happily ever after" ending had been him still being ansty over Aeris' death, and hence, deciding to go search for her and the Promised Land. Angsty KH Cloud = the Cloud who remained angsty at the end of VII. Nomura had said that KH is like "a continuation of Cloud's story", and personally, I can definitely see the connection between the Clouds in those two games. I really think that this "parallel" between the two games is in reference to the relationships of the characters as well as the characters in KH not being OOC with the ones in VII. You guys know what? I think it's quite clear that some of those clotis have interpreted VII's ending/his relationship with Tifa all wrong. Why else would both the Clouds in KH and AC seem so OOC to them? :rolleyes: |
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| Anastar | Apr 20 2005, 03:53 AM Post #50 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Ah, okay... I agree with you there. I also think it's far more likely that he'll go on living a solitary life if he survives. As Clerith-son pointed out, Cloud has lived most of his life alone. He grew up alone in Nibelheim. Zack may have had one cellmate while imprisoned in Nibelheim, but he may have been kept in solitary confinement, too. Either way, it wasn't a "normal" living situation for five years. He didn't really want to be part of Avalanche. I think Cloud would be most comfortable by himself.
Oooo... where did he say that? I haven't seen that quote before! ![]()
I completely agree.
Heheh... that's essentially what I was saying in my last post, too. The Cloti's think it's OOC for Cloud to be angsty because they believe Cloud's only "problem" was that he thought he was Zack during Disk One (which is also far from the truth). Since Cloud resolved that "problem" during the Lifestream Event, the Cloti's believe that all of Cloud's problems were gone. The Cloti's also think that Cloud remembered his love for Tifa during the Lifestream Event and confirmed it to her under the Highwind, so that Cloud was ready to walk off into the sunset at the end of FFVII as a happy guy with Tifa on his arm. Many Cloti's thought that Cloud and Tifa would be married by now. That's why Cloti's think it's so OOC for Cloud to be angsty in AC as well as in KH. The Cloti's think the end of FFVII portrayed Cloud as a happy guy who had found his true love in Tifa under the Highwind. |
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| Tifa Lockheart | Apr 20 2005, 04:26 AM Post #51 |
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And it will also be OOC for Cloud to fall in-love with Tifa and completely neglect what he had felt for Aerith during gameplay. Feh. And it's also OOC for Cloud to be married to Tifa. It's also OOC for Cloud to walk off into the sunset hand-in-hand with Tifa. |
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| Anastar | Apr 20 2005, 05:09 PM Post #52 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Heheh... well, the Cloti's are also expecting that once Cloud finds forgiveness, his angst will fall away so that he'll be ready to enjoy life again. The Cloti's also believe that once Cloud's ready to enjoy life again, he'll turn to the girl he's always loved - Tifa - since it's Cloud's guilt that's keeping him away from her... somehow.
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| Clerith-son | Apr 20 2005, 08:55 PM Post #53 |
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In the middle of dawn. Staring at the twilights.
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Those Clotis don't know what subjectiveness is, they are so superficial. It seems, that they are ok as Clotis, because, so as Tifa, they don't know who Cloud really is. It's sad that their image of Cloud is the OOC Cloud, and that they can realize it. That happens when you are superficial, so sad ... .
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