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| Resolving The Love Triangle; Will Square do it in AC? | |
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| Sefie | Jan 12 2005, 06:39 AM Post #16 |
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Eyes of dream-water
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Nomura said it himself "Cloud's such a popular character I don't want to decide for him!" Coward <_< |
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| Carmencita | Jan 12 2005, 08:19 AM Post #17 |
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The Rag Doll
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Should the creative team behind SE be pressured by the fans and gamers in deciding which character will they make Cloud love? I understand that they must be concerned because of marketing concerns and business and such, but if I were them, I'd hate it if my decision in finishing my story will be greatly influenced by disgruntled fans who just want to see their preferred couple be 'official' to rub it in the face of the other fans and say, "See, we were right and you were wrong!" :angry: I mean, in a way, it's not the creative genius of these people who are writing down the story, it's obsessive fans and the company's desire to please everybody who will view the movie... which we know is impossible... |
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| Anastar | Jan 12 2005, 12:23 PM Post #18 |
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You're right, Zhakeena - it's a shame that the company is driven by the desire to please all fans rather than by creative genius alone, but it's pretty obvious that they are being influenced by the desire to please fans. Square is a business trying to bring in money. Since displeasing fans results in lost revenue, it will effect what they produce. We know the company's talent at making things inconclusive, though. The quote that Sefie gave above was Nomura talking about Kingdom Hearts, and Kingdom Hearts did leave the Cloti's room to squirm away from the Cleris evidence. Yet, Kingdom Hearts quite clearly demonstrates Cloud's love for Aerith when you don't want to squirm away from it. If Square considers Kingdom Hearts inconclusive, then they will probably make Advent Children inconclusive in a similar manner. They'll make things obvious to those who want to see it, but they'll leave room for interpretation at the same time. It doesn't make me happy, but I think that's most likely what they'll do. <_< |
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| Daga15 | Jan 14 2005, 10:23 PM Post #19 |
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i think even if square said: CLOUD IS IN LOVE WITH AERIS O CLOUD IS IN LOVE WITH TIFA, he love triangle would continue to exist..." sight"
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| Kaldea | Jan 15 2005, 06:43 AM Post #20 |
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I wouldn't mind if Cloud was alone by the end of AC. I'd love for him to be single even though I'd love it more to see him show strict evidence of love for Aeris. I really doubt that they will have him "with" someone. They want to keep Cloud's image the way it is and have everyone love him even after AC. Looking at the way things work according to Square for the past 11 FF games though... They want to leave a lasting impression on the fans. In my opinion, Aeris just forgiving him as he goes and forgets all the feelings he showed for her in FFVII and other games and goes to make out with Tifa seems very blah to me. The biggest impact Square could possibly give to the audience is him dying a heroic, memorable death and seeing a glimpse of his promised land, which he has suffered so much for. And maybe the last few scenes can be him hearing a small giggle behind him as he turns around and sees Aeris smiling and reaching her hand out to him. It would leave much room for debate, something Square does seem to want to give, and yet show who they see who Cloud should be with. A method given in KH. But who knows what is in their plotting little minds. We'll find out when AC is released. |
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| Aerith_kun | Jan 15 2005, 03:19 PM Post #21 |
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"DeMoN´s DoN´t CrY"... by Anderson O_O
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Yeah, I agree with you... In my opinion Cloud´s death would be the best and most logical ending that AC can have today ^^UU |
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| Hades' Daughter | Apr 16 2005, 01:16 AM Post #22 |
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Hey guys...I can't remember where I heard this from...but is it true that Nomura has stated that he knows who Cloud loves, but that fans could also decide for themselves?
So true!!!! And I agree that they won't be able to resolve this issue at all if they leave AC's ending "open". The debates will definitely just get worse. I mean, they're a business with the purpose of making a profit but it really irritates me, as a true FF fan, that Square would far rather keep all their fans happy than go all out with their own storyline and plot (which is what true fans are more interested in). I love the FF series because they're able to draw me into the games with such emotionally and beautifully written storylines. Of course, I am already slightly disappointed with AC simply because I know much of it will be based off of the fans. I'm a Cleris not only because of how I've interpreted the game but also because of the obvious hints that they've shown us through KH and Tactics. Since they've already gone as far as to hinting who Cloud loves, they might as well make it openly clear, ya know? It would be a bonus to be able to openly acknowledge that Cloud and Aeris are the canon couple of VII, but even if it turns out that I'd been wrong this whole time and they're not, I'd still love them regardless. No matter who the canon couple is, I'd far rather watch a movie based on Square's own creations. If we just wanted fanwork, we woudn't need Square, right? <_< |
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| Clerith-son | Apr 16 2005, 03:25 AM Post #23 |
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I haven't heard of it, but I think that it is pretty obvious, since he was the director of the game, and the director of the movie, even if he's not the plot writer, he still knows what the plot writters are planning, since that's one of his duties as director.
You have just shown a great point, wich I share. Yes they have given us so many hints, telling us that Cloud & Aerith are FFVII's official couple, by KH and FFT. I don't think that they're trying to make all fans happy, just because they are leaving it to an open interpretation, I think that they said this because, the biggest factor, for the people to watch the movie, is to see the final resolution for the Love Triangle, and if they gave it before the movie, it wouldn't have the same impact, as it has now, when we don't know for sure wich will be FFVII's official couple. And yes, if we just wanted fanwork, we wouldn't need Square, except for making us games, since we can't. :lol: |
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| Buhon | Apr 16 2005, 04:28 AM Post #24 |
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I totally agree, Hades. If Square's gonna bother continuing the FF7 franchise, they might as well show some guts and deliver something suspensful, surprising, or just something that adds a new dimention to the story... otherwise, why bother? If Square hopes to do a follow-up to the game any justice, they're gonna just have to risk off-putting some of the fan base by either definitely tieing up loose ends (ahem... CxA...), or adding something remarkable to the storyline. |
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| Anastar | Apr 16 2005, 01:03 PM Post #25 |
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I agree that Square should wrap up the Love Triangle, but I'm not at all sure that they will. No matter what they do, certain groups will be angry. I have no problem with them resurrecting Aerith in some way, but lots of people would. If Cloud dies, there's a whole bunch of people out there who think that only Ancients can make it to the Promised Land. If Cloud gets together with Tifa, there's gonna be a whole lot of people unhappy, too. When I say a lot of people, I mean millions of people who are all potential buyers. I'm not sure they want to risk that. Square only said they would touch upon the love triangle in AC. They never said they would resolve it. I'm not sure what they'll do.
I've heard people say that in forums, but I've never seen it documented. I've never seen a link have given to a source for that statement. He hasn't said it in reference to AC... it's something he supposedly said in an interview years ago, but nobody seems to know where or when he said it. |
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| Kusari Yarou | Apr 16 2005, 04:44 PM Post #26 |
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They're just gonna 'touch on' the LTD...I remember reading this at Final Fantasy 7 Citadel, but what is its actual source? Even if they ‘touch upon’ the love triangle, I think they won’t conclude it. I mean if SE officially confirmed that Cloud loved either woman, that isn’t just ‘touching upon’, that’s a major resolution! I’m guessing ‘touching upon’ merely means they’ll be acknowledging it: that Tifa loved and maybe still loves Cloud, that Cloud loved and continues to love Aerith.
If he really did say that, it’s good news for us. From all the pro-Clorith hints in the past few years, we know who he considers Cloud’s true love. If he did say this, he’s practically confirmed Clorith as canon. But this is probably just a rumor…no source or anything… |
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| Anastar | Apr 16 2005, 09:55 PM Post #27 |
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That was said in an interview that was published last summer at AC.net. Unfortunately, the links to any interviews and news from Square were deleted when AC.net changed servers about a month ago. I can't find anything prior to 2/7/05 available at AC.net now. |
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| Clerith-son | Apr 17 2005, 05:43 AM Post #28 |
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They'll only touch the Love Triangle, because they can't do anything else (not because they don't want to), since it was already developed in the game (even if it wasn't resolved), and also Aerith died. Remember that in order to have a Love Triangle, you need three alive chartacters, not two alive chracters and one dead, or whatsoever. They can end the Love triangle by only touching it in the movie, they don't have to develop it again. I think that Nomura's and other SE declarations on the Love Triangle, have been missunderstood, if they haven't told wich is FFVII canon couple, its because that would make AC less interesting (at least, that is what I hope). |
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| Buhon | Apr 17 2005, 06:48 AM Post #29 |
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I agree with everyone that Square will most likely not resolve the love triangle, or any other "loose end" in the FF7 storyline, for that matter. As Anastar noted, there are just too many fans with divided opinions and views about the storyline of FF7 that would make "resolving" anything problematic. However, that in of itself could be disastrous for Square as well. If they try to hard to be "open ended" and make everyone happy, it could backfire: the storyline for AC could be so amorphous and unengaging that EVERYONE will be unhappy with the product. It's really risky for Square, and I'm worried they may not pull it together unless they get a little gutsy and take a risk with the storyline. |
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| Anastar | Apr 17 2005, 01:32 PM Post #30 |
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That's something the Cloti's have been saying for ages, and I don't agree with it. If Cloud fell in love with Aerith before she died and remembers his love for her, isn't that competing against a relationship with Tifa? If the memory of his love for Aerith is greater than Cloud's wish for a relationship with Tifa, why would he get together Tifa? The Cloti's seem to think that Cloud will end up with Tifa just because Tifa is available and because Tifa loves him. They never seem to consider that Cloud has to love Tifa in order to get involved in a relationship with her. Just because Tifa has feelings for Cloud does not mean that Cloud has feelings for her. However, I think you're right that the Love Triangle existed in the game rather than AC. At this point, Square can either make it clear who Cloud loved during the game, or leave it ambiguous. Whether or not Square decides to make it clear who Cloud loves or loved, I think it'd be best to have Cloud die at the end of AC. It'd be the easiest way to have the fighting between Cleris and Cloti stop. Unless the Cloti's want to make fantastic hypocrits of themselves, Cloud would no longer be available for a relationship with Tifa because he's dead. Tifa wouldn't have the ability to communicate with Cloud after death because neither of them are Cetra... so according to Cloti logic, Tifa should move on with someone else. :lol: The remaining question is whether Cloud would find Aerith after death. If nothing else, I don't see why Aerith's spirit couldn't lead Cloud to the Promised Land after death. :rolleyes: |
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