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| Resolving The Love Triangle; Will Square do it in AC? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 29 2004, 12:59 PM (1,788 Views) | |
| Anastar | Dec 29 2004, 12:59 PM Post #1 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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What are the chances that Square will finally resolve the Love Triangle in AC and reunite Cloud with Aerith? What are the chances that Square will show that Cloud loves Aerith only? Cloud is dying. There's about a 50% chance that he will die. If he dies, there's a 100% chance that he will be reunited with Aerith. If he lives, I'd say there's about a 50% chance of Cloud ending up alone vs. ending up with Tifa. It looks like the odds are in our favor, in that respect. :lol: But even if he dies, will Square conclusively show Cloud's love for Aerith with a kiss or an "I love you"? Square's in a tricky situation, after all. If they conclusively show Cloud's love for Aerith, there's going to be a lot of very unhappy Cloti fans. It will contradict the Cloti interpretation of FFVII. If they conclusively show that Cloud loves Tifa, there's going to be a lot of very unhappy Cleris fans. That would contradict our view of FFVII. Personally, I would even be unhappy if Square conclusivelyshowed that Cloud loved Aerith *while she was alive*, but let him get in a love relationship with Tifa now. That would also contradict my view of the game because I understood that Cloud had decided to keep on searching for Aerith until he found her and that Cloud was willing to go against all odds to be together with Aerith again, no matter what it took. Nomura said in one interview that there are as many interpretations of FFVII as there are gamers, which shows that they are aware of the Cleris vs. Cloti interpretations of the game. Nomura also said in the same interview that the AC staff had decided to stop before contradicting the views of players. If they don't want to contradict the views of players, then what are the chances that they will conclusively show us that Cloud loves Aerith only? |
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| darkslavechaos | Dec 29 2004, 02:46 PM Post #2 |
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AC SPOILERS It depends on how much Aerith loves Cloud and his fogiveness. If he forgives himself there's a higher chance of him surviving and ending up with Tifa. I guarentee that it he dies, the best we will get will be a hand-reach scene at the end and Cloti's would find it hard to argue with that as FFVII ended in near the same way. I think that Cloud will talk of his love for Aerith and his guilt at failing her to Tifa and Tifa will no doubt comfort him. Then it's Aerith's turn and we know what she says to him already that she never blamed him. Vincent's 'I've never tried' comment on redemption will be important too, because Cloud responds by saying that he is going to try and find forgiveness. It's all down to whether Cloud forgives himself... Or whether Sephiroth, or even Geostigma takes that choice out of his hands. I'd love to see Cloud and Sephiroth take each other out, but Sephiroth realising he's been a puppet all along just as he dies... would be great too. |
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| Anastar | Dec 29 2004, 08:46 PM Post #3 |
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Are you saying that Cloud will end up with Tifa if he forgives himself? Is it that simple? I've never seen indication that he loved Tifa as anything other than a friend. Cloud does have to resolve his guilt, yet that doesn't mean he has to move on to love anyone other than Aerith. My understanding of the end of FFVII was that Cloud would keep on searching for Aerith until he found her, even against all odds. My understanding of the end of FFVII was that Cloud loved Aerith only, and that he chose to be with her regardless of what it took and regardless of what it cost him. If he were to end up with Tifa, that would completely contradict my understanding of the ending. If Cloud does survive, and if he does forgive himself, I don't think that is any guarantee that he wll move on. The greatest thing supporting that is that Nomura said that the AC team had decide to stop before contradicting anyone's view of the game. That alone suggests that they will leave it inconclusive... unfortunately. ![]()
Hehe... that will be a topic for another debate at some point, since I don't believe that Sephiroth was a puppet. I think he was very much in control. :rolleyes: |
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| Seii Monogatari | Dec 30 2004, 04:01 AM Post #4 |
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Aly, I think DSC meant that if Cloud had forgiven himself, that Tifa would be more likely in comparison to him not forgiving himself. There's no way he could end up with Tifa without forgiving himself, and the chance is still very small even if he did forgive himself. I think S-E will leave some big hint, but they won't say it conclusively because they can't. I think the Clotis stating that the cameos in other games mean nothing is stupid, because that's the only evidence Square can boldy use to explain Cloud and Aeris's love. They can't say anything directly in AC, because it would contradict fan's views. The cameos are an outlet for Nomura and the others to throw support behind Cleris in FF7, because Square won't let them say anything directly tied to the game itself. |
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| darkslavechaos | Dec 30 2004, 10:23 AM Post #5 |
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Seii_Monogatari is right about what I said, should Cloud not forgive himself for Aerith's death then he will never get with Tifa. If he forgives himself he with either move on, look for Aerith again... or die and probably reunite with Aerith. So that's a much higher chance of Aerith and Cloud being together anyway.
Yes, it would be interesting. |
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| Anastar | Dec 30 2004, 02:32 PM Post #6 |
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Ohhhh, I thought you were saying that if he forgives himself, he'll move on. Forgiving himself may raise the chances that he will move on, but I don't think there's any guarantee of that. I'm glad you agree. :rolleyes:
That's the way I see it, too. Even if he forgives himself, he may end up alone. Even if he lives, he may end up alone. About forgiving himself - there's several things affecting it. I don't think it's just because he was unable to save her in the Death Scene. He also blames himself after the Lifestream Event for being responsible for making Meteor fall because he gave the black materia to Sephiroth. If Sephiroth hadn't summoned Meteor, there would have been no reason for Aerith to sacrifice herself. So that's part of the reason he's blaming himself, too. He also blames himself for the death of Zack and his mother. He was unable to save his mother in the Nibelheim fire, and he was unable to save Zack after Zack rescued him from the lab. Those things are making Cloud's guilt even worse. Added to that - the Cloti's are hoping that Aerith healed Cloud when she touched his arm. If Cloud is feeling guilty about her death NOW, wouldn't he feel even worse about it after she healed him? His perception is that he let her die. If Aerith were to heal him, wouldn't Cloud feel even more guilty that Aerith given him life after he was unable to save her? But to get back on topic - I think there's a greater chance that AC will be inconclusive than anything. I would really like to see them resolving it conclusively in favor of Cloud and Aerith so that the arguing will stop - but I don't think we can count on that happening.
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| Carmencita | Jan 1 2005, 01:34 AM Post #7 |
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It would be lovely if they finally say it out loud - CLOUD LOVES AERITH! I mean, in that romantic, intimate way of course. :lol: (Because some people will probably retort, 'duh of course Cloud loves Aerith but as a friend and nothing more') But I highly doubt it. They'll probably make up another open-ended conclusion that will unleash more debates of epic proportions.
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| AeRî_rIE | Jan 1 2005, 08:35 AM Post #8 |
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i think nomura enjoys watching the "war of the fans" lol an dis likely that this damn love tringle will never resolve- or if nomura will finish it once and for all and just TELL US!! itll be easier that way, although square has been trying to tell us by using hints and camoes:> why dont they just get to the point urgh |
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| Buhon | Jan 3 2005, 06:41 AM Post #9 |
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I hope so, but the pessimist within me says that there'll probably be nothing conclusive. If Square wanted to end the debate once and for all, it would be likely that they'd do so by "baby-stepping" everyone in the direction of one interpretation. In other words, slowly-but-surely release more and more suggestive evidence pairing Cloud with Aerith. They seem to be doing so with Kingdom Hearts and whatnot, and even the hinting so far for AC seems more suggestive in nature than anything before. We may have to wait for Crisis Core, or perhaps the ACTUAL SEQUEL (damn you square!) to get something more conclusive. Just a thought. |
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| Sefie | Jan 3 2005, 04:47 PM Post #10 |
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I don't think Nomura likes the war of the fans. Obviously, he's been trying to hint at us for years(KH anyone?), but I believe it to be SE squelching him. He was quoted saying he was told to stop before he contradicted anyone's beliefs |
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| Aerith_kun | Jan 3 2005, 06:17 PM Post #11 |
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"DeMoNīs DoNīt CrY"... by Anderson O_O
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Hum, I remember Nomura saying that the love triangle will be resolved in AC... But anybody trusts Nomura ^^UU... But I think it will be true in some way... My opinion is that Cloud will die or he will be alone. If they resurrect Aeris Clotis will be disappointed and if they put Cloud with Tifa Cloris will be idem. And I think that if they end the film with Cloud alone, I will be disappointed because I would consider it like a deception because all would be ending like the FF7 and SE can return seven years after and they can do another AC with the same argument ŽŽ... Conclusion, Cloudīs death is the best because people would be think "damn it, Cloud is death TT_______TT", not "oooh, Cloud ends with Tifa/Aeris"... Something like Cowboy Bebop or Rurôni Kenshin endings ^^ Sorry for the possible mistakes U.U |
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| Seii Monogatari | Jan 4 2005, 12:55 AM Post #12 |
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The only thing I remember is that he said AC would "touch" on the Love Triangle. I just wish Nomura would slip-up in a conference or at a film festival or something! And I do think they love watching us squirm, I know I would if I had created such a controversy!! :lol: |
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| Anastar | Jan 4 2005, 01:16 AM Post #13 |
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That's all I remember Nomura saying, too. Do you really think they've enjoyed watching us debate this for the last seven years, especially with all the anger and hatred that's kicked up by the debates? Nomura prolly gets asked about it at least once a week - I'd be sick of it by now if I were him. |
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| Aerith_kun | Jan 4 2005, 07:11 PM Post #14 |
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"DeMoNīs DoNīt CrY"... by Anderson O_O
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| Anastar | Jan 12 2005, 05:16 AM Post #15 |
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Ye know, another thing that would weigh against a conclusive ending is the number of people who believe that Cloud loved neither Aerith or Tifa. Sure, they're in the minority, but there are people who think Cloud loved Zack, or Yuffie, or Sephiroth, or Barret, and even people who think Cloud loved no one. No matter who Square paired Cloud up with, it's going to make a group of fans unhappy. |
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... Sorry, I was mistaken then U.U... I didnīt remember it very well. This quote was said long ago ^^UU... Well, I keep my opinion despite this...until I will see the film ŽŽ
8:45 AM Jul 11