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| Moving On...; It's what the Cloti's want | |
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| PassiveAggressive | Jan 29 2005, 12:36 AM Post #31 |
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We really don't know if 'moving on' with Tifa wouldn't make him happy. Strange things happen. But in the end, in my opinion, him moving on isn't such a bad thing. Think about it. Some of you even want Cloud to die to be with Aeris, but if he fights for his life, survives Geostigma, and rids the world of the current evil, wouldn't you think he's entitled to try to be happy in the living world? He was entitled to it before that, but he was further plagued by evils. He may only have one lifetime, so to end it so soon (23 years old. That's way too soon...) to be with someone who will always be there is kind of silly. It's not like she's going anywhere... I think he should move on, whatever moving on to him may be, and when he dies, Aeris will be there to...do whatever she does best ;) |
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| Aerith_kun | Jan 29 2005, 03:23 PM Post #32 |
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"DeMoN´s DoN´t CrY"... by Anderson O_O
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Mmm, well, maybe Cloud would be happy with Tifa... But today, in present, Cloud would´t be happy with Tifa... If he was, then he would be with her in this 2 years, and not in this depressed state... And like Anastar said, Cloud´s a tragic character, he being happy... mmm... I can´t see that, sorry O.o... Maybe he will be, but now I can´t see that... I would like he would die because I love tragic endings and I see it the most logical ending to AC... Cloud ending with Tifa, well, it could be, but it would be illogical, because if he wants to be with her and move on... Why didn´t he do it in this 2 years?? Only for guilty??? Nyaaa ^^UU... |
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| Hyper-Ballad | Jan 29 2005, 08:36 PM Post #33 |
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Well, in Advent Children, Cloud clearly isn't happy. And he's spent these two years close by Tifa without making any move to change their relationship or move on. And it's been TWO YEARS. Things between them have had plenty of time to develop and change. In that time, I think he'd come to realise whether or not he could be happy with Tifa and whether or not he wanted to be with her. "Moving on" with Tifa doesn't seem to be the answer... I honestly think that the best point the two could've gotten together is immedeately post-game. If it had to happen, I'd say that this would've been the best time for it. The pair go through so much life-altering drama, death-defying situations, and much soul-searching. They settle their past, face with the end of the world, and end up with a new future ahead of them in which so many new beginnings are possible. I think if Cloud and Tifa ever were to get together, that was their time. If he wanted to be with Tifa, he would be with her. Sure, neither of them may be ready for a romantic relationship after what they've been through, but since when has "not being ready" ever stopped anyone? If Cloud was ever going to see Tifa as more than a friend and embrace a new beginning and a new future with her, then that was the moment to do it. So in my opinion, seeing as they didn't get together at that point, then I don't think they ever will. I think that in AC they've settled into the roles of friends, and I just don't see the possibility of romance as there anymore, at least not as pressing as it was in the original game. If he isn't in love with Tifa by now, then I don't think the events of a 90-minute film are going to change that.
I'm with you on this, PassiveAggressive. Life is about living, and I really want Cloud to be happy. And I think embracing life is the only way to do that.There are so many different ways to define "moving on". In my mind, it doesn't mean reducing his feelings for Aeris, or forgetting all about her. It's about not being consumed by the past (naturally, Aeris would encourage him to move on in this way). Learning not to dwell on the past is a form of moving on. Letting go of his guilt is also a form of moving on. I would like Cloud to move on by settling his past and coming to terms with the things that haunt him, as well as his grief, and learn to cherish life. But he can easily do this without having to get together with Tifa. Romance doesn't need to come into it. "Moving on" from his feelings for Aeris (or rather, coming to terms with her loss and not allowing it to keep him from truly living and finding happiness) doesn't need to involve falling in love with Tifa. He can move on and recover emotionally and get his life back together without needing to have a romantic relationship with anyone. And should he ever find love, it doesn't necessarily have to be with Tifa; it could be anyone. But he still doesn't have to be with anyone. He has a lot of issues to work through, remember. Being in a relationship with someone isn't an obligatory part of the process of "moving on". I actually think it's very likely that he'd choose to remain single. As much as I want Cloud to move on and find happiness, I honestly don't think that he needs to do this through romance. He doesn't need to be in a relationship, and he may not even want that.
I wholeheartedly agree! I've seen a lot of people in many forums say that they want Cloud to die (and if anyone here agrees, then I'm honestly sorry if anything I'm about to say offends you) and I can't get behind this idea at all. That sort of ending would depress me so much! Now I love C/A for so many reasons, but I don't like the idea of the pairing demanding his death. I understand where a lot of people are coming from with this idea (that he deserves to be happy, and he can only be happy - or at least, be happiest - with Aeris, and this is the only way they can be together). So while I understand the ideas behind it, I can't help but dislike the idea that he can only be happy if he dies. It takes away all other options for him. Death = Happiness seems senseless to me. It erases all possibilities of finding happiness and a new lease for life on the Planet. Living has so much to offer! Cloud is a fighter, a survivour, despite facing the very worst, so it just seems so unfitting (to me, anyway). Poor Cloud went through a lot; death shouldn't be on his list. Despite everything, I believe he's gained so much inner-strength and wisdom (and I don't care whether or not he's just a bunch of pixels, I still admire him for it!). He conquered his past and his limitations. I think having him die would undo all that. Instead, he should be rewarded for all his achievements by being given happiness in life, in one way or another. The theme of the film is survival, after all. I don't think this applies to just surviving Geostigma but surviving his grief and guilt, and the longing for death. Maybe I should start a new topic on this... ![]() Edit: I just have started a new thread on the possibility of Cloud's death, so if you have anything you'd like to say on it (I hope so!), don't reply here, but instead go to this thread. Thanks!
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| PassiveAggressive | Jan 30 2005, 12:59 AM Post #34 |
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The only reason why I somewhat disagree with the fact that Cloud and Tifa had ample time to be together is because it's so clear Cloud is unstable for many reasons, the key being guilty for another womans' death. People deal with their grief and turmoil in different ways, and to shack up with another girl is not Cloud's way of dealing with any of it. Aside from that, he's not one to jump head first into a relationship just based on his overall personality. I don't dislike CloTi as you can probably see from my posts, I even find it possible for him loving both ladies (Aeris being pick of the litter), but I don't really see it happening based on my own personal preference. However, looking at it from a different point of view I can understand why they may not have gotten together even if he did love her. Love isn't always black and white. |
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| Anastar | Jan 30 2005, 02:15 AM Post #35 |
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Very well said, Hyper-Ballad. I completely agree with you. :rolleyes: Moving on can mean many things, and I think Cloud is more likely to end up alone than end up with Tifa. If they were going to get together, they would have gotten together over the last two years. If they haven't done so already, I don't think they will. What Cloud should do isn't our decision, anyway. It's Cloud's decision, and I don't think anyone should be deciding what he should do (besides the FFVII AC staff, of course). You can't decide who someone should love. You can't decide for someone else what will make them happy. You can't decide for someone else what will bring them peace. Cloud needs to do what is right for him, and no one else should be making that decision for him. |
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| Daga15 | Apr 11 2005, 07:44 PM Post #36 |
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something interesting...in every ff, the main hero ends with a girl... in ff6, locke in celes. in ff8, squall and rinoa. in ff9, zidane and garnet in ff10, tidus and yuna ( i know thy dont end togueter biut in the seque yes) and..in ff7.ˇˇ what is this??? CLOUD ENDS..............ALONE!!! O_O why not tifa???? BECAUSE AERIS WAS THE ONE HE LOVED AND SHE DIED....ˇˇˇˇ CLOTIS STOP THIS, YOU WILL SEE CLOUD AND AERIS ARE THE TRUE COUPLE! And, about cloud in ac, i dont wnt him to die...i think it would be great if, in the end, we saw him, remeberenig aeris with an smile in his face, becaise he has theis memories..
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| Hyper-Ballad | Apr 11 2005, 08:23 PM Post #37 |
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The main hero of FFVI also ends alone, Daga, because the central character of FFVI is Terra. Locke and Celes are only secondary characters - important ones (especially in Celes' case), but secondary nonetheless. And there's not even a definite LockexCeles getogether, as Locke still seems to be very hung-up over Rachel, and he's just beginning to let go and get over her. However, it is the only strong romance in the game (and is very adorable). However, Terra's story does revolve around love; just in a different way. Throughout the earlier stages of the game, Terra longs to know what romantic love is (in contrast to Celes, who initally is very contemptuous of romantic love, but eventually finds herself falling in love with Locke), but instead of romance, the love she finds and takes strength and courage from is her maternal love for the Mobliz orphans. That love binds her strongly enough to the human world to survive during the game's ending. She doesn't need to be in a romantic relationship, because for now the children are enough for her. I'm just wondering...how do you feel about the way Terra's story fits in with your ideas? |
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| aeriscloud | Apr 13 2005, 10:05 PM Post #38 |
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Moving on is not a bad thing to do, but it just take times. It also doesn't mean that the person shacked up with the next person they see. <_< Life is important but people have their reasons of why they want to give up their life. Its no simple matter. I wouldn't want Cloud to died but in a way, its probably his choice if he wants to. I don't really understand why some Clotis are making a fuss over this. Its really been like two years now and who's to say that Cloud will shack up with Tifa only. There's a lot of single women out in his world, he could end up with anyone... :lol: But then again, just because your loved one died doesn't mean you shack up with your childhood friend or whoever is there. A person have to decide on their own free will, not force by others and pick for them without their consent. Aeris was very dear to Cloud, so I don't see him in a position for another relationship. Who knows, maybe if he does survived through his struggles, he may want to lived a life, alone and helping others. |
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| aerithstrife | Apr 20 2005, 10:47 PM Post #39 |
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:lol: So true, so true, aeriscloud. Clotis make it seems like Tifa is the only girl in the world. It'll be so surprising and funny if they made Cloud end up with Elena instead in AC. I would died from pure laughter. :lol: :lol: Yes, exactly right. Cloud have to find his own reasons so that he can share "takoyaki" to that person one day and tell that person that his reason for being born or to lived was for them. Oh, me and my Fruits Basket ananlogy. :lol: |
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| Clerith-son | Apr 21 2005, 05:12 AM Post #40 |
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I think that moving on for Cloud would mean, to reach a point in his life, in wich he realizes that he has fulfilled his promise to Aerith and that somehow he made his life worth (probably after defeating the JENOVA/Sephitoth threat for the last time), after that he might find peace within himslef, then he can let go, and find happiness in the eternity (in short, he dies). Many Clotis claim that he can't die because he's still too young, and that he has still a lot of things to do, like marrying Tifa. But if you study Cloud's life, you'll come to the realization, that even if his life was sad and messed up, there's nothing that he hasn't experienced or felt. After he defeats the JENOVA/Sephiroth threat, there will be nothing left for him to do, than to show us they way he'll continue, or end. Remember that this is Cloud's story, so whichever way he decides of moving on, it will be his's and no one else's. But I think that if he dies, then all the suffering, sorrow, pain and grief that he felt all his life, along with all the sacrifices and good deeds that he did, will reward him with eternity, by leading him to the/his Promised Land, wich as we already know, is with Aerith. |
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| Hyper-Ballad | Apr 21 2005, 05:02 PM Post #41 |
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Some more of my thoughts on this... Being the sensitive creature that Cloud is, I believe that he's capable of experiencing deep happiness, despite being more easily drawn to the dark than the light. This is why I don't want to see him die (btw, we have a whole other thread on this topic if you'd like to discuss this further, Clerith-son). However sad and messed-up his life may have been, I want to see him moving forward in life (and he doesn't have to fall in love with Tifa in order to accomplish this), and find what happiness is to him, which I hope will not be escape from life. Happiness isn't bliss; and finding his own definition of happiness, peace, contentment and a sense of place and worth within the world shouldn't make him out-of-character.
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| aerithstrife | Apr 21 2005, 11:07 PM Post #42 |
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:lol: Wow! That's a good analogy...... Maybe Cloud will moved on but from what few scenes SE has shown of AC, I don't think Cloud has found his reason yet. I think some people have at least one reason or so of why they keep on living. I don't know...to me...I don't think Cloud's reason of failing as aeris's bodyguard or guilt over her death is enough to portray why Cloud would be willing to give up his life. He always seem kind of lost to me in the game until he found a reason to continue on fighting against Sephiroth and releasing her wish. Arghhh...my head hurts from too much thinking...I need to get some asprins......
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Life is about living, and I really want Cloud to be happy. And I think embracing life is the only way to do that.

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