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Moving On...; It's what the Cloti's want
Topic Started: Dec 8 2004, 12:33 AM (1,617 Views)
Sir DQ
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Don't say that Anastar.
At least let me hold onto my hopes and dreams until the movie comes and shatters them. :(
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Dec 11 2004, 12:52 PM
Don't say that Anastar.
At least let me hold onto my hopes and dreams until the movie comes and shatters them. :(

Well, I'd much rather it be left inconclusive than see a Cloti ending to it. :lol: I would love for it to end up Cleris, but will Square want to disappoint so many CloudxTifa, ZackxCloud, ZackxAerith, AerithxSephiroth, and YuffiexCloud fans? There's millions of fans out there who believe in a couple other than CloudxAerith, which is actually Square's own fault for making up the Love Triangle in the first place. They meant it to be fun, I'm sure - but it has resulted in all of these crazy wars. I hate it, and I'd love for it to be conclusively resolved, but it would ruin the whole game for me if he ended up with Tifa. For many Cloti fans, it will ruin the game for them if Cloud ends up with Aerith. Why would they do that to either side?
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Well, even Coral said that the whole "you can meet her that way" was never mentioned and she saw the screener in France twice so... Also, I understand Japanese and those words were never said at all based on the audio, I listened to it several times. Translating Japanese can be tricky but never were the words "meet her" or anything close to that mentioned at all so there is no basis for mistranslating such a quote. I wasn't reallt talking about the Ac.net translations but even those agree 100% with the audio, they're very literal even. The Japanese transcript on FFAC Reunion also didn't feature any line about Cloud wanting to die to be with Aeris. I just don't think all those sources can be wrong, they're all saying the same thing so.. I doubt the re-recorded the dialogue with the Japanese voice actors between screenings. I mean, its not a big deal, is it really such a tragic thing if Tifa never said it?

Anyway. The entire compliation of FFVII will be pretty long so it may be the case that we will have to wait till after Advent Children to find out who he ends up with.
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I still think that in a way or two, even little by little, Tifa's giving off some effort to move on and just support Cloud by becoming a friend to him. She's telling him things like "you think you can meet her that way?" and I treated it as some kind of sarcasm or reverse psychology, like what she's trying to say is, "You can't meet her that way! If you want to meet her again, you'd better fight!". It's like encouragement in her part, because I think she doesn't want Aerith to be disappointed on Cloud; because after she died, he was the one who continued the fight.
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Dec 11 2004, 07:19 PM
Well, even Coral said that the whole "you can meet her that way" was never mentioned and she saw the screener in France twice so... Also, I understand Japanese and those words were never said at all based on the audio, I listened to it several times. Translating Japanese can be tricky but never were the words "meet her" or anything close to that mentioned at all so there is no basis for mistranslating such a quote.

But the point I was making was that how do we know that the audio for the Venice screening is exactly the same as the audio for the Montreal screening? After all, a visual sequence was changed from one film festival to another. The scene where Cloud touches the pink ribbon on his arm and Aerith says, ".... let's go... Cloud... " wasn't in the Venice screening, but it was in the Montreal screening. If part of the visuals were changed, how do you know that part of the audio wasn't changed, as well?

Plus, part of the line you said was never spoken was used in two other trailers - specifically, the trailer released at Jump Festa 2003 and the trailer released with FFX-2 International. Both of those trailers included this line spoken by a woman: "The way you die could be a good way. Is that what you think?". That is part of the words you say were never spoken.
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Hum, maybe this sentence wasnīt said, but in two different japanese magazines were said the sentence "Meetin her again. Itīs my dream" over a picture of Cloud and Aeris in the flower field and the other said that Cloud kept Aeris in his heart. Also "meet" is an important word to Cloud/Aeris relationship and Cloud said at the end of the game that he can meet her in the Promised Land... Who was "her"? His dog or what?? (some Clotis should think that ŽŽ...)...
The case is that the film has 90 mins of length and SE has to answer a lot of questions in this time... I doubt that they can resolve the "Cloud xTifa" thing in a propicious way in this time... But they has to answer what is the Promised Land (well, it was an important thing in the game that they didnīt resolve...) and itīs bond with Aeris and Cloud, not Tifa and Cloud...
Itīs only an assumption :rolleyes:
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There's a few quotes flying around that haven't been in the trailers or a quote that was in one and not the other. This usually means to me that some editing went into play and these quotes should not be used as fact. It's fine to playfully speculate, but as far as looking at the quote "You think dying this way is a good way?" shouldn't be used as factual evidence because it's rather clear to me it hasn't been used in every trailer we've seen. So quite possibly Square edited the quote and took it out completely. You never know. Same with "To meet her, that is my dream" which to be fair, can be taken two different ways, nevermind is not being in the trailers at all. Either he literally dreamt of meeting her, or dreams of meeting in the sense of wanting to, and yearning to.

Despite my fandom and healthy devotion to Cloris, I really try to be fair and see both sides of the spectrum before making a solid judgement. I hope you all don't get too frustrated with my opinions :)
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Jan 5 2005, 02:55 PM
There's a few quotes flying around that haven't been in the trailers or a quote that was in one and not the other.  This usually means to me that some editing went into play and these quotes should not be used as fact.  It's fine to playfully speculate, but as far as looking at the quote "You think dying this way is a good way?" shouldn't be used as factual evidence because it's rather clear to me it hasn't been used in every trailer we've seen.  So quite possibly Square edited the quote and took it out completely.

But my point was that the quote was used in two trailers as well as in one of the film festivals. My other point was that the film festivals themselves seem to have been edited from one to the other since a visual sequence as well as an auditory sequence were reported differently. It could be that permanent changes were made, but it could also be that Square made slight changes to each film festival in order to present some different material at each showing.

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Jan 5 2005, 02:55 PM
You never know.  Same with "To meet her, that is my dream" which to be fair, can be taken two different ways, nevermind is not being in the trailers at all.  Either he literally dreamt of meeting her, or dreams of meeting in the sense of wanting to, and yearning to.

"My dream" is a phrase used when you yearn for something, is it not? It suggests something that you consider ideal, or a strongly desired goal or purpose in your life. Why would "meeting her for real" be something be so significant to Cloud? Plus, the statement is "Meeting her again. That is my dream." Doesn't meeting someone again mean that you have already met them once, which would contradict the meaning of "meeting her for real". I think the phrase has only one meaning. ;)
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It could be that permanent changes were made, but it could also be that Square made slight changes to each film festival in order to present some different material at each showing.


That happens to back my point of "should not be taken as fact". That's all I'm saying. I see your point clearly, but since consistency is totally lacking, it shouldn't really be looked at as fact. Square seems notorious for lacking consistency as well as being vague about certain situations, such as...

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My dream" is a phrase used when you yearn for something, is it not? It suggests something that you consider ideal, or a strongly desired goal or purpose in your life.


It can. But it can also mean, when talking about it in terms of actually 'dreaming', that it's still a dream, and anything can happen or come to pass in someones' subconscious. I'm not sure whether you misunderstood me or not, but what I was trying to say is to 'physically dream' is different than 'to yearn dream'. It also depends on the interpretation of 'meet'. Many have different interpretations of this word which is clear thoroughout just about every forum you go to which brings me back to Square being vague. To meet as in to see? To meet as in to touch? To meet as in to talk? "To meet" in this case can mean many things, by which we'll only know for sure when the film comes out. That's why I'm not looking at "To meet her again, that is my dream" as anything else but a cute quote to place upon a pretty screenshot or an unofficial translation. I'm fairly satisfied with what I've seen (aside from the lack of Aeris :( ) since all of it hasn't even been officially released to the public and am trying not to spoil my outlook on it by over-analyizing quotes I haven't heard said yet. Just personal preference.
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Jan 6 2005, 12:07 AM
That happens to back my point of "should not be taken as fact".  That's all I'm saying.  I see your point clearly, but since consistency is totally lacking, it shouldn't really be looked at as fact.  Square seems notorious for lacking consistency as well as being vague about certain situations, such as...

I agree that nothing can be taken as fact yet. What I was arguing about was that someone said that these words of Tifa's were never said in a film festival: "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" because it was only reported as being in one film festival. I don't think we can be certain it was never said, especially since part of that statement was used in two other trailers.

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It can.  But it can also mean, when talking about it in terms of actually 'dreaming', that it's still a dream, and anything can happen or come to pass in someones' subconscious.  I'm not sure whether you misunderstood me or not, but what I was trying to say is to 'physically dream' is different than 'to yearn dream'.  It also depends on the interpretation of 'meet'.  Many have different interpretations of this word which is clear thoroughout just about every forum you go to which brings me back to Square being vague.  To meet as in to see?  To meet as in to touch?  To meet as in to talk?  "To meet" in this case can mean many things, by which we'll only know for sure when the film comes out.  That's why I'm not looking at "To meet her again, that is my dream" as anything else but a cute quote to place upon a pretty screenshot or an unofficial translation.  I'm fairly satisfied with what I've seen (aside from the lack of Aeris :( ) since all of it hasn't even been officially released to the public and am trying not to spoil my outlook on it by over-analyizing quotes I haven't heard said yet.  Just personal preference.

But my point was that the phrase says, "That is my dream". When you say that something is my dream, it means that you desire it greatly and that it's very significant to you (a yearn dream, as you put it). That is very different from saying that you had a dream about something last night (a physical dream, as you put it). Since meeting her is so very significant, I only see the phrase as having one meaning. It wouldn't have much significance if all Cloud wanted to do is say, "Hi". :lol:

Is it official? If we doubt the veracity of that particular statement, then we should doubt all other information given in that same magazine about the SHM, about the Turks, about the WCM, about the orphans, etc, etc. Why should we only doubt the Cleris information given, but nothing else?
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It all depends on the context it's used in when it's used, and we don't know either, if it's even used at all.

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Why should we only doubt the Cleris information given, but nothing else?


I think you took what I said completely out of context, and I never wished for that. The only thing I wish to disregard and question are certain quotes that aren't clear, inconsistent, or appear to be fan-used. We know the SHM are looking for 'Mother' as suggested in the trailers. We know there are orphans as suggested by those in interviews and the trailers themselves. To generalize "Cleris information" vs. general AC is hardly fair. But if you feel we should doubt it all, that's fine. I doubt quite a bit myself considering Square continues to work on the movie and could be changing more than we could ever know about.
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But we're actually in more agreement than you seem to think, because my argument was that we can't know for sure that Tifa's words were never said. In the same light, we can not be sure that the magazine did not get "Meeting her again. That is my dream" from Square, since all of that magazine's other information about AC was correct along with AC screenshots that had never been published before. Square has been giving AC information to various magazines in Japan, which is obvious - how else would Dengeki, Jump, AC Monthly, Famitsu, etc, obtain screenshots of the movie before a trailer release? How else would these magazines obtain news about Geostigma, the SHM, the orphans, Sephiroth, etc, before release of the trailers? Those magazines clearly mark speculation, and there was no indication by the magazine that "Meeting her again. That is my dream" was speculation.

I'm not saying that it's definite. I'm saying there's every bit as much reason to believe the accuracy of it as there is reason to question it.
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I think that Aerith won't tell Cloud to move on with Tifa... because neither Cloud nor Tifa would be happy in an intimate relationship between them. :D

It would be understandable for Aerith to tell Cloud to "move on with Tifa" if Cloud showed more than platonic love for Tifa... but he didn't. Aerith would know or at least have a clue on how Cloud feels for TIfa, right? So she won't say it if moving on with Tifa will make Cloud depressed.

And besides, I think Tifa's the one who's moved on already. Just in my opinion, she's already accepted the fact that Cloud will only look to her as a 'best friend,' and not as a girlfriend, a lover or whatever. I think she said all that "zuru zuru" stuff out of concern (and irritation) for Cloud, like a friend saying "What the hell are you doing to yourself?!" and not out of jealousy from Aerith.

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Okay, so my rambling isn't founded on fact, but that's what I think. (shrugs) :ph43r:
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zhakeena, I agree with you ^_^... Clotis fans only think on Cloud x Tifa and they getting together at the end of the film, but they donīt think on Cloud or Tifa happiness ŽŽ (well, maybe they ONLY think on Tifaīs happiness, and Iīm talking in general...). My favourite character is Cloud, and I think on Cloud happiness. If I would have a demostration of Cloud being happy with Tifa, all good then. But I donīt have it, and I think now that the only form that Cloud has being happy is dying. And, if it happens (like I wait ^^uu), I wish that Tifa moves on. In my opinion Tifa can do it. Sheīs stronger than Cloud in this way, and I think that Tifa in AC is understanding some things...
Itīs all, sorry for possible mistakes of my awful english U.U
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Good points, Zhakeena. Why would Aerith tell Cloud to move on with Tifa if it wouldn't make him happy? Aerith wants Cloud to stop blaming himself, but do they really think that Aerith will say, "Cloud... I want you to forget about me"?

And I agree with you, Aerith kun - the Cloti's are just assuming that getting together with Tifa would make Cloud happy. It's almost like the Cloti's love Tifa, so they can't imagine anyone else not loving her - therefore, they think that Cloud must love her, too. That's like someone saying that Squall must be in love with Quistis because Quistis is a much better character in their opinion than Rinoa. It just doesn't work that way.

For another thing, do we even know that Square wants Cloud to be happy? They've *always* portrayed Cloud as a tragic character. Cloud was portrayed in Kingdom Hearts, FF Tactics, and in CoM as a tragic character who has lost something dear to him. Why would Square suddenly want to change Cloud's character to portray him as a happy-go-lucky guy with no cares in the world? I highly doubt that Square would change Cloud's characterization to such a degree.

Besides, if Aerith were to tell Cloud to move on, it's only an acknowledgement that Cloud was in love with her. How can Cloud move on from something that didn't exist? :rolleyes:

If Aerith tells Cloud anything, I think she'll tell him to stop blaming himself. What Cloud does with the rest of his life is not Aerith's choice - it's Cloud's choice.
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