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Tokyo Zone Film Festival; Held in Paris, France
Topic Started: Dec 2 2004, 09:08 PM (1,433 Views)
Shiva
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Yes, Andina... It could very well be that simple and I hope that it is. The Cloti's, however, are trying to make it into more than that - hence our reaction.


Forgive me if I overreacted, but that is ALL I have been hearing from the CloTis lately, that Cloud is shacked up with Tifa... "OMG, Cloud and Tifa are living together, they adopted the orphans, they are in love, they are having sex 5 times a day"... It is SO frustrating to deal with that type of stupidity. <_<

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Yet, even that explanation contradicts what Square has been saying all along. They've only said that he was living a solitary life away from his old companions and that he was living with the orphans. Living at Tifa's house (even if he was only living in a guest room at her place) contradicts that.


Exactly. Nomura even stated that Cloud was just returning to Midgar, almost as if he were implying that Cloud had not been there for a long time.

Well, THANK YOU for the report, Coral! We appreciate it! :D

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I'm very surprised that Cloud hasn't seen or heard Aerith before this. That completely contradicts my understanding of the ending, and it disappoints me. And for Cloud to bring up his forgiveness upon communicating with her for the first time in two years... that just doesn't seem right. I hope they show it differently in the movie because that bothers me a lot.


Same here. In fact, this whole movie is starting to bug me... <_<
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I guess the thing I find contradictory is like what you've mentioned. SE has released official info on websites, mags that Cloud i living apart from others... so it made no sense that he's living together with Tifa and marlene.
Such a mystery... I gotta send my pink panther into SE to dig out more :lol: kiddings

But honestly, even if Cloud was living with Tifa, I am not really that bothered. Infact, it confirmed that Cloud had no romantic feelings for Tifa... if not, after living together for 2 years, he ought to learn to open up to her more, and tell her more personal things right? But insted, he still shuts out his emotions from everyone else. ^_^ Continued to be sadden by his past...etc...thus in a sense, he was physically living there, but emotionally, spiritually wise not. The photograph is another indication of that. He was physically standing there, altho a little off to the side, but his mind doesn't seem to be there at all.
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*laughs*

You're welcome everyone :)

I believe it too: Cloud 's mind is somewhere else, lost in his (depressed) thoughts.

BTW Aerith speaks 3 times.
*flower field* Question! (.....) (Aerith touches his arm, he wants to look at her but everything disappear: he's only on Fenrir trying to save the children!)
*white screen* she said something like: I never blame you for anything. You saved me. Only this matters (to me).
*white screen, after the drop in the lake* Let's go Cloud.


Also, to me Cloud truly speaks his mind to Aerith, not to Tifa.
Cause he says to Aerith in the flower field "I want to be forgiven. Yes, I want to be forgiven"

This sentence is what Cloud really feels. He never said this to Tifa. Tifa guessed he wanted to die, she guessed he wants to go to Aerith but he didn't told her.

So ALL his pain must be directly relied to Aerith's death.

Maybe the ribbon scene is near Aerith's church. I don't know. As I saw the fallen colums behind Tifa and Marlene's brand new screenshot (lol), well....

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slowerthanaverage
Dec 4 2004, 03:36 AM
I guess the thing I find contradictory is like what you've mentioned. SE has released official info on websites, mags that Cloud i living apart from others... so it made no sense that he's living together with Tifa and marlene.

Exactly... perhaps the movie will clear it up. I don't think we've seen the beginning of the movie, because it's clearly stated that he's been living with the orphans, and we haven't seen where the orphans are living. Nomura also said that Cloud had just returned to Midgar. We never saw him arrive in Midgar - would Square leave that out of the movie? Perhaps his return to Midgar was left out of the previews because his return isn't that significant... or it contains a spoiler that they don't want to ruin for us before the movie is released. ;) That photo on Tifa's desk is a recent photo because Cloud already has the cape on his arm.

slowerthanaverage
Dec 4 2004, 03:36 AM
But honestly, even if Cloud was living with Tifa, I am not really that bothered. Infact, it confirmed that Cloud had no romantic feelings for Tifa... if not, after living together for 2 years, he ought to learn to open up to her more, and tell her more personal things right? But insted, he still shuts out his emotions from everyone else.  Continued to be sadden by his past...etc...thus in a sense, he was physically living there, but emotionally, spiritually wise not.

Exactly. The problem is that the Cloti's are unable to recognize that distinction.

Coral
Dec 4 2004, 02:07 PM
BTW Aerith speaks 3 times.
*flower field* Question! (.....) (Aerith touches his arm, he wants to look at her but everything disappear: he's only on Fenrir trying to save the children!)
*white screen* she said something like: I never blame you for anything. You saved me. Only this matters (to me).
*white screen, after the drop in the lake* Let's go Cloud.

Does Aerith say, "You saved me?" to Cloud? :blink: I haven't heard that line before. I heard it translated as, "You came for me... that's all that matters".

Coral
Dec 4 2004, 02:07 PM
Also, to me Cloud truly speaks his mind to Aerith, not to Tifa.
Cause he says to Aerith in the flower field "I want to be forgiven. Yes, I want to be forgiven"

Awwww.... :rolleyes: You're right.... he's hiding things from Tifa. He didn't even tell Tifa about the Geostigma. He speaks more honestly to Aerith.

Coral
Dec 4 2004, 02:07 PM
This sentence is what Cloud really feels. He never said this to Tifa. Tifa guessed he wanted to die, she guessed he wants to go to Aerith but he didn't told her.

Did Tifa say something about Cloud wanting to go to Aerith in this Film Festival?

Coral
Dec 4 2004, 02:07 PM
Maybe the ribbon scene is near Aerith's church. I don't know. As I saw the fallen colums behind Tifa and Marlene's brand new screenshot (lol), well....

Hmmmm.... that scene really is a puzzle. :unsure:
EDIT: You saw the fallen columns in that scene? Then it probably is Aerith's church. Perhaps it's later in the movie? Something happens when Kadaj drives the motorcycle into the Church. Perhaps it happens after that?

Thank you again, Coral!! :D
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Did you ever get to see all of the other FFVII characters come in?
I wonder that since Marlene lives with Tifa (?) shouldn't Barret too?
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Dec 4 2004, 07:10 PM
Did you ever get to see all of the other FFVII characters come in?
I wonder that since Marlene lives with Tifa (?) shouldn't Barret too?

All they've said is that Barret is mining for a new source of energy to replace Mako, and that he leaves Marlene in Tifa's care. But Barret shows up in Midgar to fight when Bahamut gets summoned, so it's uncertain whether he's living at the Seventh Heaven or what.

I'm beginning to wonder - they had to put the preview for the Film Festival together very fast, and they weren't anywhere near done with the filming at the time they had to put the preview together. Shortly before the preview, Nomura specified that Cloud had *just returned to Midgar*. Did Square just leave out the part about Cloud returning to Midgar in the preview? Is that why this contradiction about where Cloud has been living exists in the preview? :unsure:
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I wonder that since Marlene lives with Tifa (?) shouldn't Barret too?

I think it goes without saying that Barret will live with Marlene if it is just possible. Now we just have no idea where exactly Barret is mining, so perhaps he is temporarily living somewhere else and will come back at some point of the movie just in time to fight Bahamut. :)

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I'm beginning to wonder - they had to put the preview for the Film Festival together very fast, and they weren't anywhere near done with the filming at the time they had to put the preview together. Shortly before the preview, Nomura specified that Cloud had *just returned to Midgar*. Did Square just leave out the part about Cloud returning to Midgar in the preview? Is that why this contradiction about where Cloud has been living exists in the preview?

Only Nomura can give a straight answer to that, sweetie. :lol:

I suppose it is always difficult to decide what to include in previews as the purpose of a preview isn't to reveal the whole story and go too deeply into details. They are meant to get us hooked, they are there to make us ask questions. Why, how, who and when. :P
And if you think about this matter that you just brought up it really isn't that important, unless of course you're a Love Triangle fan trying to figure out how much time Cloud has been spending with Tifa. :D

They really shouldn't waste their precious preview minutes to answer questions like this. They are suppose to raise questions and not answer them. ^_^

I doubt they care that much if things do not really make sense to us fans at this point. Things they say one day might be in conflict with what they show some other day, but that's nothing serious. Once we see the movie things will click and connect as we will finally see it from the beginning to the end instead of just few clips from here and there. The less details we know and the more curious we are the better the chances are that we will buy this movie. Or at least that's what they believe. :rolleyes:
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Dec 4 2004, 11:21 PM
I doubt they care that much if things do not really make sense to us fans at this point. Things they say one day might be in conflict with what they show some other day, but that's nothing serious. Once we see the movie things will click and connect as we will finally see it from the beginning to the end instead of just few clips from here and there. The less details we know and the more curious we are the better the chances are that we will buy this movie. Or at least that's what they believe. :rolleyes:

Well, that's sorta the point I was getting at. Since the previews are contradicting what Square has said in interviews, perhaps they just left out the part of the movie that explains it while making the preview? For example, what if Cloud brought the orphans he was living with to Midgar because they were getting sick with Geostigma? What if he has been living with them elsewhere and they started getting sick - and then he got sick himself. Knowing that he couldn't care for them much longer, he decided to take them to Tifa because he knew she would take good care of them. That may be at the beginning of the movie, but it wasn't shown in the previews. Instead, the preview simply raised questions that are making us wonder - which is probably what Square intended to tantalize us with, as you pointed out.
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Well, that's sorta the point I was getting at. Since the previews are contradicting what Square has said in interviews, perhaps they just left out the part of the movie that explains it while making the preview? For example, what if Cloud brought the orphans he was living with to Midgar because they were getting sick with Geostigma? What if he has been living with them elsewhere and they started getting sick - and then he got sick himself. Knowing that he couldn't care for them much longer, he decided to take them to Tifa because he knew she would take good care of them. That may be at the beginning of the movie, but it wasn't shown in the previews. Instead, the preview simply raised questions that are making us wonder - which is probably what Square intended to tantalize us with, as you pointed out.

But, S-E has also stated that Cloud spends the majority of his time travelling on Fenrir as a type of messenger. If these orphans were solely in his care, how could he leave them alone to travel as a messenger? Who would take care of them? :blink: The only thing I can think of is that Cloud sometimes stops in at an orphanage to stay, but then leaves again. That would make more sense, as the orphans would have caretakers in that type of situation. Kind of like an official orphanage. Then, Cloud could come and go as he pleases.
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Dec 5 2004, 02:44 AM
But, S-E has also stated that Cloud spends the majority of his time travelling on Fenrir as a type of messenger. If these orphans were solely in his care, how could he leave them alone to travel as a messenger? Who would take care of them? :blink: The only thing I can think of is that Cloud sometimes stops in at an orphanage to stay, but then leaves again. That would make more sense, as the orphans would have caretakers in that type of situation. Kind of like an official orphanage. Then, Cloud could come and go as he pleases.

However, S-E also said that Cloud was working in an orphanage alone. See how contradictory they're being? :lol:

Ye know, there *is* one character they haven't shown yet. Conceivably, it could be Elmyra - she could be running the orphanage in Kalm, since that's the last place she was. And remember the children shown in the windows at the end of FFVII? Weren't they in Kalm? There's been nothing to indicate it in AC whatsoever, but it's possible. Elmyra would be the type to do something like that.
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Ye know, there *is* one character they haven't shown yet. Conceivably, it could be Elmyra - she could be running the orphanage in Kalm, since that's the last place she was. And remember the children shown in the windows at the end of FFVII? Weren't they in Kalm? There's been nothing to indicate it in AC whatsoever, but it's possible. Elmyra would be the type to do something like that.

Hey, that makes a lot of sense. Elmyra definitely would be the type to take care of orphaned children. After all, Aerith was an orphan herself. ^_^
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Dec 5 2004, 03:32 AM
Hey, that makes a lot of sense. Elmyra definitely would be the type to take care of orphaned children. After all, Aerith was an orphan herself. ^_^

It's pure speculation, but say that Elmyra was running the orphanage in Kalm and Cloud's the only one who "works" there. Elmyra takes care of the kids while he's travelling. Cloud brings the kids with Geostigma to Midgar, hoping to find a doctor.

It does make a lot of sense... with Aerith gone, I could easily see Elmyra doing something like that. We've got nothing to back it up, though. Nothing like that has been mentioned in AC yet. It just makes a lot of sense.
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:) if the last character is Elmyra it'll be sooo sweet...but i have a feeling it will be cait sith/reeve...Erm, well, the orphans will love caith sith ^_^ heehee
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When Cloud sees Aerith in the flowerfields and then he flashes back on his fenrir, is he reflecting the time he was 'there' or did he go there at that moment? If the latter, then I don't think its the first time, because...it seems a little too casual doesn't it? If it were the first time, maybe a 'special' moment of reflection or time alone...but if just while riding his fenrir, makes it seem like it happens often.
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Erm, well, the orphans will love caith sith  heehee

Without a doubt. Those little kiddies would most likely try to wrestle that overgrown Moogle. :P
It would be cute, if nothing else and would bring little humour into this dark movie. :D

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Hey, that makes a lot of sense. Elmyra definitely would be the type to take care of orphaned children. After all, Aerith was an orphan herself.

Wasn't she taking care of Marlene in Kalm at the end of FFVII when everyone else was fighting Sephy? I suppose it would make sense if she would continue to do that and take care of the orphans. It's not like she has anything else to do, as I think her home must have been destroyed by the meteor. Although the church is still somewhat standing and her home isn't that far from there so who knows. But as Aerith isn't there living with her anymore I think she would gladly take care of the orphans as that would certainly keep her busy. ^_^
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