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| Tokyo Zone Film Festival; Held in Paris, France | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 2 2004, 09:08 PM (1,429 Views) | |
| Anastar | Dec 2 2004, 09:08 PM Post #1 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I'm starting a new thread for any information learned from the Tokyo Zone Film Festival held in Paris on December 1 - 3. One of our forum members (Coral) went to this Film Festival, so she will be able to answer your questions about it! ![]() We may get a summary of what was shown at that Film Festival, or additional screenshots. If so, that information will be posted in this thread. :rolleyes: |
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| Coral | Dec 2 2004, 11:07 PM Post #2 |
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(Oh I didn't saw that topic first lol. sorryyyyy!) Ok, first I answer to the previous topic. (Andina making a text in english is difficult for me but I'll try later:) ) FB: I saw Nobuo; actually I saw hiw TWICE and I watched the trailer TWICE. I'm soooo happy. ^^ (don't hate me ...) He's very nice and all, I really admire him now. BTW his favorite character in the whole FF series is...Aerith! She moved him. Okay now SPOILERS begin!!!!! The flower field scene is pretty but strange. The music is kinda sureal, Cloud's first in a white place, then he saw flowers and we saw a pink ribbon behind his head. It was fun to see the famous pic now moving! lol. Aeris giggles so she has a spontaneious start lol. She talks a lot too but you already know what she says At the first projection the audience chuckled at the flower field scene: it's so strange! But then they listened and liked it. At the second one everyone was staring in silence. It was a rare moment. And yes I saw Sephiroth. We saw him twice in the whole trailer. Once at the beggining during at flashback, once at the very end...and maybe he's not a flashback anymore...? ^^""" it's a great moment. And no your questions are good lol. Anastar: I saw the pink ribbon on Cloud 's arm. He looks at it but don't touch it and he looks awfully sad. It's a very quick moment I really "saw" it at the second projection. I don't think that it's a flashback. I think that Aerith can talk to Cloud and only Cloud well directly at least. When we hear "let's go Cloud", we see a white screen. Each time Aerith talks we see the white screen. Nothing on the screen, only her voice whispering to Cloud. It's the same white screen where Cloud was, before he suddenly saw flowers in a field (and a half Aerith lol). What I loved the most about Cloud was his sadness. He really feels PAIN lol. Tifa on the contrary wants to fight, Cloud's much more deseperated. At one moment she said something like "always the same words !!!" and she's right. Cloud lived at Tifa's house I think. But know he lives at Aeris's church. Marlene and Tifa discovered it when they found bindings there. You know that he's ill and ther's no remedy. But Cloud WANTS to die. Cause he can't "protect his family nor his friends." He thinks he's useless, that he can't save the children either. (Denzel, Marlene, orphans...) Slower: No we don't have pink ribbons but I want one now lol. Ok that's all for now, if you have others questions don't hesitate! |
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| Anastar | Dec 2 2004, 11:32 PM Post #3 |
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*squee!* Coral... thank you so much!! I'm so glad you got to see it!! ![]() Did you get to speak to Uematsu? :o When did he say that Aerith is his favorite character? Did he say that to the audience or just to you? Did you get to ask him why Aerith's theme isn't going to be used in the movie? Did you get his autograph? Did you get to kiss him? :lol: How was his concert? What did they play? I think Uematsu's awesome! ![]() As for the spoilers part.... Film Festival Spoilers Could you tell where Cloud was when you saw the ribbon on his arm? Cloud didn't touch the pink ribbon? They said he *did* touch it at the Montreal Film Festival. ![]() Did you get the impression that the flower field scene was the first time that Cloud had talked to Aerith in awhile, or did you get the impression that Cloud hears Aerith and/or talks to Aerith all the time? What was your impression of Cloud and Tifa's relationship? How does Cloud react to Tifa in comparison to Aerith? Did Tifa say anything like this in the preview to Cloud? "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" How long would you guess that Cloud's been living in the Church? You said that you thought Cloud had been living in Tifa's house. Did you get any impression that there has been anything romantic going on between Cloud and Tifa, or did you think Cloud had been living there in his own room or what? Is there anything in the Film Festival which shows that Cloud definitely lived with Tifa, or is it just hinted at? Did Sephiroth look any more real at the end than Aerith looked in the flower field scene? (Thoughts: I'm wondering why Square has said for months that Cloud has been living a solitary life if he's been living at Tifa's house? Why would Square lie to us about that? I can't believe that Square would lie to us. They are STILL saying that he has been living on his own, so I don't understand why they are portraying it this way in the Film Festivals when they've specifically told us that Cloud has been living a solitary life and rejecting the company of his old friends.) |
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| Andina | Dec 3 2004, 01:01 AM Post #4 |
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So what would you say it was? A dream (the kind Cloud had after he gave Sephy the Black Materia) or something else more closely connected to reality?
That's good, depressed and suicidal Cloud is the best Cloud there is. Sad characters are twice as interesting than happy ones. But I bet at some point of the movie something will happen (Aerith most likely) that will give him more hope. I suppose that's inevitable, but I am hoping that he will not get all jolly no matter what happens. <_< Unless Aerith is brought back to life, of course, but I'm not really hoping for that to happen. :rolleyes: |
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| Shiva | Dec 3 2004, 01:40 AM Post #5 |
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I feel VERY strongly that Cloud is NOT living with Tifa and never has. Why? Because of these statements: "Formerly, with friends, he saved the world. Now, he is another person, refusing the company of others, Cloud is grieving...." (From Famitsu) "Cloud: After the battle, he hid in secret and lived a quiet life alone. However, he is attacked by the three mysterious men who suddenly appear, and decides to once again return to the battleground. Not even knowing what they want, he is forced to draw his sword. Aerith: A woman who fell to Sephiroth's sword during the battle two years ago. A young woman resembling her appears before Cloud. Are these dreams Cloud is having...? Or are they...?! Is there a chance she will be revived?! Tifa: She returned to Seventh Heaven in Midgar after the fighting, and manages it alone. As before, she takes good care of Marlene, Barret's daughter. Tifa supported Cloud from the shadows. But it doesn't seem that they got together after the fighting. They are living apart, and Cloud doesn't communicate with her much. Aerith is still in Cloud's heart, and Tifa understands that. It looks like that sort of relationship." (From Dengeki) "Cloud, who up till this point has lived apart from his former friends, now returns to Midgar, at which point the scene in Tifa's bar probably takes place. Otherwise, he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays." (From Tetsuya Nomura's own lips) "Cloud, who up till this point..."-- in other words,"Cloud, since the last time we saw him at the end of FFVII...". * "...has lived apart from his former friends,..."-- Cloud's "former friends" are those he associated himself with in FFVII, right? TIFA is considered one of his "former friends", right? It didn't say, "...has lived apart from his former friends, except Tifa,..." An interesting thing is Nomura's use of the word "former". This just shows how much Cloud has alienated himself from everyone, INCLUDING Tifa. He cannot even consider these people friends anymore??? He must have done a fairly good job at rejecting their company.* "...now returns to Midgar,"-- Apparently, Cloud has not even been in Midgar for quite a long time. And where is Seventh Heaven located? Oh, that's right! MIDGAR. :lol: LOL! * "...he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays"-- So, Cloud spends the MAJORITY of his time travelling on Fenrir. Where did it say, "Cloud spends much of his time playing house with Tifa"? :lol: Also, it clearly states here that Cloud frequently changes where he stays. One of the places that it has been CONFIRMED that Cloud lives is Aerith's church. From the trailers: *Marlene and Tifa walk through Aerith's church. They stop near the edge of Aerith's flower bed* Marlene: "Is this where Cloud is living?" Tifa: "I guess so..." So the only places it has been mentioned that Cloud is living is Aerith's church and in an undisclosed place with some orphans. In fact, the orphan statement doesn't even appear in all of the trailers, so I am beginning to wonder if it is even all that important. On the other hand, it has been stated in EVERY trailer that Cloud is living in Aerith's church.To continue... "It's now two years after that journey, Tifa manages the bar Seventh Heaven in Midgar sector 7 by herself. We can gather that they haven't seen each other in awhile from the words 'how are you'?...." (From an interview with Nomura and Kitase) "Cloud, who fought for the sake of his world once before has rejected society to live in solitude, must step forward yet again." (From the "Dear Friends" concert program) "And Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again." (From the official S-E USA site) It has NEVER been said that Cloud lives with Tifa. In one of the trailers, the man in the wheelchair stated that Cloud was living with some orphans. However, the only orphans we have seen living with Tifa are a boy named Denzel and Marlene. And, yes, Marlene is considered an orphan. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the definition of orphan is: "a child deprived by death of one or usually both parents". Both of Marlene's parents are dead, so she IS considered an orphan, even though Barret unofficially adopted her. And so the only orphans we have EVER seen with Tifa are Marlene and Denzel. In the trailers, we see MANY, MANY orphans with one of the bad guys. Where did they all come from? Were they ever shown at Seventh Heaven with Tifa? NO. I am sure many, many children lost their parents when Meteor destroyed Midgar in FFVII. Seventh Heaven isn't going to house them all. In fact, in one of the trailers an orphan girl approaches Denzel, who is outside, and says, "You're sick, too." Why would she say that if she and Denzel had been living together at Seventh Heaven? So, it is my belief that Cloud often stays with orphans in another location that has, so far, remained undisclosed. However, since he never stays in one place for long, the orphans must have caretakers, like an official orphanage would. This makes sense, because a large orphanage would be required to house the vast number of orphaned children we have seen in the trailers. Cloud could come and go as he pleases, leaving to do his job as a delivery service whenever he pleases, and never have to worry about the children being left alone. This interpretation works best, because it doesn't contradict every last shred of information we have gotten on Cloud so far regarding him rejecting the company of his former friends. Okay... And so ends my rant... :rolleyes: |
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| Anastar | Dec 3 2004, 01:51 AM Post #6 |
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Who said I do think he's living with Tifa? I don't think he is, either. If he is, then Square lied to us, and I don't think Square would do that. They've specifically said that he is living by himself, as you've just shown. However, Coral got the impression that he was living with her from the Film Festival. We can't ignore what the Film Festivals are portraying. I'd like to know what Coral's impression is and how she perceived Cloud and Tifa's relationship in the preview. After all, she's not against us. She's seen the Film Festival and we haven't. Here's our opportunity to learn something from her and to figure out why Square is showing one thing in the Film Festivals while saying another. |
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| Shiva | Dec 3 2004, 02:05 AM Post #7 |
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I didn't think you believe that, but I DID want to add my two cents. :rolleyes: I don't get why S-E would make out every aspect of Cloud's character and then suddenly change it. I mean, the CloTis act like S-E suddenly just ditched all of their efforts to make Cloud into the lone hero to have him play house with Tifa. :rolleyes: It makes NO SENSE. And the more I hear it from the CloTis, the more I realize just how ABSURD this whole idea is. <_< I would like to know why Coral got the impression that Cloud lives with Tifa, too. *Waits for Coral to reply* |
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| Anastar | Dec 3 2004, 02:16 AM Post #8 |
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I honestly don't get it, either... it IS absurd. Why would they tell us one thing, then portray another? I can't believe that Square would lie to us. Plus, they are STILL saying that he is living a solitary life... so why are they saying one thing while showing something else? I'd like to hear how Coral perceived Cloud and Tifa's relationship in the Film Festival. My impression is that Tifa is nagging Cloud, very honestly. She's yelling at him, and nagging him to fight. He doesn't want to. He's down on himself, he's depressed, and it's not because he has Geostigma. He's standing away from her in the photograph, so I sure don't get the impression that things are lovey-dovey between them. Marlene yells at Cloud that he never listens to them, so it doesn't seem that he's had a good relationship with any of them for the past two years IF he's had any relationship at all. I'm just glad that Coral's seen it first hand. Perhaps she can give us some insight into all of this. :rolleyes: And Coral.... THANK YOU!
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| Andina | Dec 3 2004, 03:12 AM Post #9 |
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I think you two pumpkins are over-reacting a little. :rolleyes: If I understood Coral correctly, Cloud used to live in Tifa's house and that might very well be the case. If we think Clouds situation at the end of FFVII you might notice that he really has nothing now that Aerith is gone. Even though his old home where his mother used to live has been rebuilt by Shinra there is someone else living there as you should know, so he can not really go there. So in other words Cloud has no place that he could call home and go to after he is done saving the world. So it is only logical that one of his friends offers him a place where he can live, at least for a while. And Tifa cares about Cloud very much so of course she is not going to let him be homeless and most likely insisted that he will live in her house with her. She's an opportunist, what can I say.
And that can only mean that Cloud for some reason did not live with Tifa for long. What's there to be worried about even if he did live with her for a while after the events of FFVII? We all might at some point of our lives find ourselves in a situation where we need to live with a friend until we can find a place of our own. And I believe that is the case with Cloud. I'm sure Tifa wouldn't have mind if he would have decided to live there permanently, but that's no surprise to us. :rolleyes: But just because Cloud accepted Tifas offer to live in her house for a while does not mean they are in a relationship. Just think of it from Clouds point of view. After all the things that happened in the game and the way it all ended Cloud must have been feeling quite empty, tired and even confused. Now he finally has time to sit down and think, and as there are no more enemies to fight he doesn't really know what to do. An on top of that he really has no place to go. So he has no idea what to do now and no place to go, and then Tifa comes and offers him a place to stay. Cloud is propably even too tired to think about if he should do that and he really has no other options at the moment, so he takes on that offer and lives with her unti he can clear his head and figure out what to do with his life. It's so simple.
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| Anastar | Dec 3 2004, 03:24 AM Post #10 |
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Yes, Andina... It could very well be that simple and I hope that it is. The Cloti's, however, are trying to make it into more than that - hence our reaction. Yet, even that explanation contradicts what Square has been saying all along. They've only said that he was living a solitary life away from his old companions and that he was living with the orphans. Living at Tifa's house (even if he was only living in a guest room at her place) contradicts that. |
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| Andina | Dec 3 2004, 03:31 AM Post #11 |
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Sometimes things just do not make sense, sweetie. And what I think is happening here, is that they are now trying to get rid of some plot holes and are coming up with things like this so we do not just jump from FFVII to AC. I suppose someone there just thought that it might be best if we explain to our fans what Cloud did after the events of FFVII. I don't know! You people are making me all worried about things that I normally wouldn't care about. :rolleyes: |
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| Anastar | Dec 3 2004, 03:45 AM Post #12 |
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Poor Coral is going to go into a head spin trying to read all this and trying to figure out what we want to know. :lol: Ye know, where Cloud is living isn't the only thing that Square has contradicted themselves about with the previews. They said, for example, that he was working in an orphanage alone. Then they said he was living with orphans. Then they said he was working as a courier. They also said that he was rejecting the company of his old companions and that he's been living a solitary life for the last two years. What it sounds like to me is that they're just not wanting to give us a straight answer until the movie comes out, so they're presenting contradictory evidence to keep us guessing. |
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| Coral | Dec 3 2004, 10:25 AM Post #13 |
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Okaaaaay lol Listen this trailer is not the movie alright? It works like flashbacks. Moreover a 25 min trailer is a little long. To remember exactly everything is difficult and not only for me, for the others screening reports too! To finish the translation was french. My interpretation may be different. What it sounds like to me is that they're just not wanting to give us a straight answer until the movie comes out, so they're presenting contradictory evidence to keep us guessing. I guess it must be so too. Anyway I DON't KNOW if Cloud lived with Tifa at the Seventh Heaven. It seemed so to me because of the picture when we see Tifa Cloud Marlene and Denzel together, because it seems that Tifa works with Cloud as a secretary (Reno phones to the bar for cloud for a "job") and because Marlene and Tifa seemed very surprised to see that Cloud was living at Aeris's church. I think that Cloud's grieving since the end of the game. He doesn't seem in love with Tifa, I'll tell you why later. But for the house 's part: if he lived with her I thought it was Andina's way (thanks ^^). Cloud has a delivery service, he travels everywhere, tifa gives him the missions by phone. HE MOSTLY doesn't answer at tifa's calls! He only has messages. It may be why Tifa ask him "How are you" : he's her friend first and overall. Not phoning at all could mean that he's dead! So to me they are in contact (in comparison with Yuffie, Nanaki, Barret, etc...and the whole world! lol )but not very often. Also, for the church: I think this is how it goes: Tifa and Marlene go to the church Marlene looks at the flowers, happy, but she saw bindings. "So that's where Clouds lives?" >>She knows he's ill. How can she? Tifa looks around and thinks then said "I guess so..." Then, at the seventh heaven tifa says to Cloud "So this is why you left." Later she says : " You're resigned. You want to die?" No answer from Cloud. "I knew it." she says. What I think is that when Cloud knew he had Geostigma, he left life (well social life). He already didn't saw many people before lol...He went to Aeris's church all alone cause this way he can't cure. This way he would die. Dying not in order to see Aerith again (or maybe but the trailer didn't show it this way) but because he feels awfully useless! That's why Tifa speaks her mind with him. She's not yelling at him on the contrary. I could see pain and kindness in her eyes while talking to Cloud. She was like: "You can't give up! Look at Denzel! He's fighting!" she encourages Cloud, she smiles saying this and her eyes are wet. To me there's close friends. Tifa knows Cloud better than anyone. She cares for him. He does too (when he founds Tifa unconscious in the church) but not in a romantic way. Tifa is her friend (and allied (sp?) It's hard to explain...lol And Marlene shouts at him because Cloud is locked into his sadness and doesn't listen to anyone. Even Vincent doesn't approve Cloud's decision: "I don't agree". Then Marlene shouts cause usually Cloud would never listen to her in order to make a decision. Later he agrees with Marlene , she smiles and she takes her hand and they go together to the seventh heaven ^^ it's so cute! I may be wrong too but that's how I felt watching the movie 2 times. I also hope u understand me...bouh ouh ouh lolAbout your questions Anastar: Did Tifa say anything like this in the preview to Cloud? "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" >>>no! I didn't saw this! I'm almost sure it wasn't in the trailer. (Nobuo is sweet, he said to the whole assistance that Aerith was his favourite character, I had two autographs from him I even asked him to draw me Earisu! But of course he couldn't lol. It was just for fun so he laughed with me lol. There was no concert this day lol. He showed us a retrospective from FFI to XI. He commented it. He's a very nice guy, very humble and very talented. His favourite composition is "To zanarkand". I did not kiss him! lol And no I didn't ask about Aeris's theme sorry :/) Sephiroth looks DEFINITELY more real than Aerith at the end lol. He's attacking Cloud lol! I think that the flower field was the first time that Cloud had talked to Aerith in awhile cause she says:" Question! What are you doing here?" To me it's the first time he really "feels " her presence. The ribbon: it's so quick! It lasts three seconds lol. He looks at the ribbon, his hand's not far from it at all lol but I don't know more about it, I can't remember sorry Where is he? I can only describe: grey place, with columns maybe (stone architecture) and there's water as we see a drop falling. But it can only be a puddle pool T_Tthe important thing is: he pays a lot of (sad) attention to this ribbon, maybe more than everyone else who wear it. And the rain thing emphasises the fact that he's sad: like he's crying. That's my POV tee hee lol |
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| slowerthanaverage | Dec 3 2004, 04:37 PM Post #14 |
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Gosh, this movie is going to make me cry...Tifa, Cloud...they all seemed so melancholic in this movie... Especially Cloud...Obviously, he hasn't found his promised land at all... What have you been doing all these years Cloud? The saddest thing about AC is the fact that someone you love actually made you felt ashamed, and/or miserable (cloud's love for Aerith became his nightmare in the sense that he could never forgive himself for letting her die, Tifa's love (romantic or platonic) for cloud made her sad when she learnt that he still couldn't move on from his past)... Something like rurouni kenshin if you know what i mean... ah i am just babbling... The part about Tifa smiling with tears, encouraging Cloud is particularly depressing ... and the part about Cloud looking at the pink ribbon Thanks coral *huggles* |
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| Anastar | Dec 3 2004, 10:03 PM Post #15 |
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Coral.... thank you so very much! This is so interesting! ![]() You explained the situation with Cloud and Tifa very well. Thank you! I guess there's nothing definite about Cloud living at the Seventh Heaven, but there's no indication of romance between them, either, from what you say. Caring is one thing - romance is another. ;) Cloud moved to the Church, though. It does sound as if he wants to die in order to meet Aerith, but I think they're leaving that part out of most of the previews. The Venice Film Festival was the one where we heard Tifa say, "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" The third sentence in that quote was also in one of the trailers. They've left that quote out of three previews, but it would indicate that at least part of the reason he intends to die is in order to meet Aerith. It also indicates that Tifa understands that. I'm very surprised that Cloud hasn't seen or heard Aerith before this. That completely contradicts my understanding of the ending, and it disappoints me. And for Cloud to bring up his forgiveness upon communicating with her for the first time in two years... that just doesn't seem right. I hope they show it differently in the movie because that bothers me a lot. The scene where he has the ribbon on his arm puzzles me. Where could Cloud be? I thought perhaps it was the underground temple where Aerith died, but now I'm not so sure. And why wouldn't Cloud have the ribbon on his arm later? I asked about whether Sephiroth seemed more real than Aerith because I've been thinking that he may actually be a spirit rather than resurrected. Aerith talks to Cloud and touches him (a physical interaction). Sephiroth speaks to Cloud and is about to attack him (a physical interaction). Might Sephiroth just be another spirit? Did Aerith touch Cloud's arm in the flower field scene this time? You said that the screen went white every time Aerith spoke to Cloud. How many time did she speak with him? Before this, we've only been shown that Aerith speaks to him twice: in the flower field scene and in the scene where Cloud has the ribbon on his arm. Did she speak to him more than that? Nobuo sounds wonderful! You were SO lucky to meet him! ![]() And Coral... THANK YOU!! |
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An interesting thing is Nomura's use of the word "former". This just shows how much Cloud has alienated himself from everyone, INCLUDING Tifa. He cannot even consider these people friends anymore??? He must have done a fairly good job at rejecting their company.
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