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| Lost Mercenary | Feb 22 2005, 08:51 PM Post #31 |
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Defends The Honour Of Aeris
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But notice how there's an abscence of the characters in Dirge Og Cerberus, which is set a year after AC's events. And Midgar is in a hell of state suggesting it was destroyed a second time. I'm looking at you Sephiroth. But the very fact none of the other characters besides Cait Sith appear in DOC leads me to conclude that AC will end in tragedy. |
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| Hades' Daughter | Feb 22 2005, 09:42 PM Post #32 |
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Cleris Extremist
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hrmms...I don't know much about DOC as I haven't done my homework on it yet. I agree that it's very possible Square may have Cloud die at the end of AC...but then, I just get this feeling that DOC may not have much to do with most of the FF7 characters in general anyway. Doesn't it focus more on Vincent's story? The thing that puzzles me about what you said is that if Cloud's not in DOC because he has died at the end of AC (how tragic)...does that mean that the rest of the cast has also died as well, since they're not in DOC? That would indeed be very tragic then, huh? |
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| Lost Mercenary | Feb 22 2005, 09:47 PM Post #33 |
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Defends The Honour Of Aeris
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It is very posible but I'm praying hysterically that this will not be the case. |
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| Velut Luna | Feb 23 2005, 02:49 AM Post #34 |
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My destiny is in your hands
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so if cloud were to die :o then why does he say "I decided to live for your Sake..,yes that was My decision How-ever..." im not saying that cloud might not die its just that im a-little confused thats all
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| Shiva | Feb 25 2005, 02:17 AM Post #35 |
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Well, we don't really know for sure if any of the other characters will be in DC or not. As far as we know, S-E could be waiting to release information on them until after AC comes out. I doubt they would want to spoil anything by letting us all know for sure if Cloud and Co. survive or not.
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| Velut Luna | Feb 25 2005, 08:58 PM Post #36 |
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My destiny is in your hands
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i guess your right
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| aerithstrife | Mar 10 2005, 12:17 AM Post #37 |
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Ore wa gundam!
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Hmmm...I don't know for sure. The scene and lines are too vague. And maybe its Square way of poking fun at its fans. The way I see it, if Cloud decided to live for someone's sake..than it must be for Aeris's sake. Cloud must had been in a turmoil deciding what to do, so basically, its Cloud's choice but I think even he himself is not sure about his decision. |
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| Lost Mercenary | Mar 11 2005, 05:13 PM Post #38 |
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He may not have a choice. He may choose to fight against the GeoStigma but it could very well overcome him in the end. |
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| Velut Luna | Mar 12 2005, 12:02 AM Post #39 |
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My destiny is in your hands
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hmm...maybe your right
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| Everchanging | May 7 2005, 02:44 AM Post #40 |
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I see as Cloud as some kind of refferfnce to both Aeris and Zack. I think it's a bit tragic to underestimate the friendship between Cloud and Zack, Zack was probably the first person to show Cloud any kind of comapssion in his life, being practically starved of possitive human contact as a child would most likely create a family-like bond with the person who'd finally show you kindness, don't you think. And I don't think it's gay-whoever said that. They were both tortured for 5 years, think about that, they'd have to practically live of eachother's support to survive, 5 years in hell. Zack risked his life for Cloud twice, and he took Cloud with him to Midgar, it would have been a kind thing to do to drop him off to get medical attention on the way to Midgar, but he took him along, perhaps he didn't want to part with his friend. I mean Cloud /became/ Zack. Cloud had the strongest bond with two people in the game, and perhaps the only two people sto show him understanding, compassion and empathy. And that was Zack who was a friend and maybe evn a brother, and Aeris who was love and perhaps soul mate. I think maybe in that scene the words are aimed at Aeris solely and the video of him putting the sword in the ground is him honouring both of their memories cos the scenery and sword are mainly Zackish anyway. I feel sad for Cloud. They never seem to give him a bit of happyness. I'm not so uppity on having him die. I just want his character to find happiness. I was young and he was my first crush you know.. If he had to die, I wouldn't like sadism so much, I'd like something simple, wistful and heartbreakingly sad, with piano music and violins to puntuate the pain when it gets to the saddest bit. I'd like Cloud not to be so aware of his pain, but be dizzy and dreamy. I wouldn't want Tifa to be anywhere near the scene, I fear she'd kill the moment. Yeah I'd prefer a simple tragic and scene over a dramatic one. |
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| Anastar | May 7 2005, 11:15 AM Post #41 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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You make many good points in your post, but I have to disagree with you here. I don't think Cloud became Zack. I've heard many people say that, but I think it's a huge misconception about the game. See more about that here: Cloud is Zack
Aerith made it pretty clear that she'd gotten over Zack, though, and that she was ready to move on.
The scenery looks like it's where Zack died and the sword does seem like Zack... but what about the yellow flowers? I'm not sure whether Cloud's saying it for Zack or Aerith - it may be in reference to both, like you said.
I'm not against Cloud finding happiness, but I wonder how much happiness Cloud is capable of finding. I think it's more likely that Cloud will find peace, rather than happiness, simply because I don't think that Cloud will ever be a happy-go-lucky type of guy with nothing bothering him. Cloud's just not that type of character.
I agree. I think Tifa in the scene would kill the moment, too, and I'd rather see his death portrayed tragically. |
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| Everchanging | May 7 2005, 02:04 PM Post #42 |
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Sorry, I should of pronounced that better, I myself get a little annoyed when people say Cloud is Zack, I meant the fact that Cloud snapped at that moment on the outcrop, and he could have snapped in any number of ways, the fact that he attepmted to modify himself to be similar to Zack I think is saying a lot about how important Zack was to Cloud. Sorry I should have made what I was saying about Cloud's bond with Zack and Aeris clearer. I wasn't trying to comment about Aeris' realtionship with Zack, it's more than clear in the game that she had moved on from Zack. I meant that it is even more so possible for that scene to refer to them both because Zack and Aeris I feel were both the only people that were truly compassionate TO Cloud. Sheesh this is hard to say. I think out of everyone in Clouds life, both of these characters were the only people to truly touch Cloud. Zack as a friend or brother to Cloud and Aeris as, I think, a soul mate. Was that a bit more clearer-you must excuse my language sometimes. Yeah as I said before, the video part of that clip I think may be aimed at Zack as overall it has more relevance to Zack. But the actual words I feel is Cloud talking to his love Aeris and the flowers puntuates this idea so you know it's really Aeris his talking to and NOT Zack. I mean-talking on the same lines-'live', could mean two things, it could mean living life, or it could mean simply surviving. If he were talking to Zack, it would mean I'd guess simply surviving, and when Zack died on that outcrop, it didn't look like Cloud decided to stay alive for him, he just somehow survived with grave pychological trauma. And than there's the live which /I/ think his talking about, living the way Aeris wanted him too,-I think he must be referring to Aeris with these words simply becasue it makes more sense. Cloud was too messed up in the head to decide anything like that for Zack anyway. Though that's just my humble opinion. True true, I know it's a bit of wishful thinking on my part hoping Cloud would find happiness. But if he found peace, I'd be equally happy for him. How strange to become so close to a simple projection of someones imagination....my dear Cloud. YEP, a tragic death I think suits Cloud more anyway. (Sorry I never quote-this reply thing never works for me grr) |
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| Clerith-son | May 8 2005, 12:23 AM Post #43 |
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In the middle of dawn. Staring at the twilights.
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I would say that he's talkimg to Aerith, yes Zack was a great friend of him, but, not a reason to continue living. Now analizing Cloud's words: "I decided to live for your sake." I think he means that he decided to live for her sake, while in the game. He had to live in order to put an end to the JENOVA/Sephiroth threat, and to make Aerith's death not in vain, and also to continue her task. "Yes, it was my decision, however..." However, now there's nothing more for him to fight (it seems like he said this before meeting the SHM, or before having any knowledge of the new threat, I'm not sure of this). Also he's sure that he will die because of Geostigma, taking him to the conclusion that he can't continue living for that person's (Aerith?) sake. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that Cloud will die by the end of AC, but after he finshed JENOVA, Sephiroth, or any other JENOVA related threat. Therefore, he would have lived for that person's (Aerith?) sake, even if he died at the end, one way or another he would have fulfilled this promise. Actually this is what I think that will make Cloud forgive himself, and give him the self-confidence of watching Aerith to her eyes (thing that he couldn't do in the flower field scene), he he gets to the Promised Land. |
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| goddess_in_pink07 | Jun 5 2006, 10:41 PM Post #44 |
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I always thought this line was always referreing to Aeris, but i noticed that he said it aroun where Zack died... but, i agree with Anastar. Some white and yellow petals blow when he stabes the sword in the ground... but, i still think its to Aeris. Its cuter that way...
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| Alantie | Jun 7 2006, 02:46 AM Post #45 |
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I think this line refers to both Aerith and Zach. In a way, both of them died to give him a chance to continue living, and though Cloud may have suicidal moments and wish to die, it would be a poor way to honor their sacrifice. He lives each day for them, for the two people who have meant the most in the world to him. At least, that's the way I see it. It is a moment, as well as a Cloud Zach friendship moment
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