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Where Is Cloud Living?; This is driving me crazy
Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 01:45 AM (3,334 Views)
Velut Luna
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hmm...... hey i think your right that does explain a-lot :o
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Miss Yukari
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Okay, I got this entry in my gb today.

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"If anything proves that after these events, Tifa and Cloud did not begin a relationship, it's Advent Children. It has been verified that Cloud has been living alone for two years, keeping contact with others to a minimum. He and Tifa are not together."

That's not true. It's been confirmed that they were living together for 2 years and Cloud only left because he found out her had Geostigma. If this was posted before news got out and you were aware of it then sorry for wasting time. If you didn't know, then now you do.


Before I reply, I'd just like to ask, has this been confirmed? I try to keep up to date with ac news, but I've never seen it confirmed. Was it confirmed while I wasn't looking?
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Kaldea
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Umm... They weren't living together... Ask this person where their proof is.
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Clorith
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The only thing that Square Enix has been getting right is their "Cloud chose a life of solitude" line. But obviously certain people refuse to read what's on the official website. Both the English and Japanese sites, mind you. Unless of course they understand neither language. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I think Cloud just popped over to the orphanage to say hi and left after a day or so.
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Anti-R
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Nope. Official site says Cloud lives in solitude for two years. Which contradicts itself if he had been living with Tifa. And Marlene must be idiot if she said "So he lives here?" if he had been staying.

Why would he run off from Tifa because of Geostigma? It wasn't a contagious disease like leprosy or something.

And if he had been sick, shouldn't it be more logical to be at Tifa's side and rely on her support if the game said they were meant to be together?
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Kusari Yarou
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If this was posted before news got out and you were aware of it then sorry for wasting time. If you didn't know, then now you do.

Looks like they've got it backwards, it is they who are not updated :D
Wasn't there a commercial saying something along the lines of "...after living in solitude Cloud returns to Midgar"? Seventh Heaven is in Midgar. So yeah, he just dropped by.
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Miss Yukari
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Ah, so the info on the site's not been changed since the film festivals, Clorith?
Thanks everyone! I think they must be getting speculation confused with confirmation, then. Just wanted to make sure there'd not been any news from Square's mouth since January. ;)
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Clerith-son
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Cloud hasn't been living in a specific place, he's been around many places with his motorcycle. But the place he's spent the most time, like his base, is Aerith's church. Also the official AC site, and specially Mr. Nomura has said that he's (Cloud) being living a solitary life. The idea that Cloud was living with Tifa was made by Clotis fans. Myth BUSTED.

BTW, when Marlene said: "So he lives here?" She was refering to the church, when she said that, she was with Tifa in Aerith's church, the speech was like this:

Marlene: "So he lives here?"
Tifa: "It seems so"
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Miss Yukari
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Welcome to the boards, Clerith-son! :) Yeah, it seems some fans like to disregard Marlene and Tifa's conversation - many of them say that he must be living with Tifa in Seventh Heaven since he says 'Let's go home' to Marlene. The thing is, though, why would Marlene ask if Cloud lived in the church if he'd been living with Tifa since FFVII?

After reading through this thread and the official quotes, I've added another essay to Hikari. :rolleyes: Yes, another one. I'll post it below for anyone who wants to read it.

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Where Does Cloud Live?

Since the Festival trailers appeared on the web, there's been a lot of speculation from FFVII fans about where Cloud is living. When Advent Children was first announced, Square confirmed on the official website that Cloud was living a solitary life. However, with the latest trailers, many fans are confused. Is he living alone? With orphans? With Tifa in Midgar? In the Sector 5 church?

Well, let's take a look at the evidence.

The official websites, both in Japanese and English, still state this:

Although he lost himself in past memories, in the long journey of FFVII, he was able to find his real identity again. Now he he refuses to associate himself with other people and lives a solitary life. (Japanese translation)

Two years after the dramatic conclusion of FINAL FANTASY VII, the ruins of Midgar stand as a testament to the sacrifices that helped bring peace. However, the world will soon face a new menace. A mysterious illness is spreading fast. Old enemies are astir. And Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again... (From the US site)

This all points to Cloud living by himself up until the events of Advent Children. However, in the trailers, the Wheelchair Man tells Cloud:

"I hear you've been living with orphans. Wouldn't you like to see them smiling again?"

So if Cloud is living with orphans, does that mean that he has been living at the Seventh Heaven, or that he's been living elsewhere (possibly at an orphanage) with them? The only children we've seen in the Seventh Heaven are Marlene and Denzel. Are there more children in Seventh Heaven that we haven't seen, or is there an actual orphanage in Midgar?

Another idea is that Cloud was living with orphans, but isn't anymore, as the WCM says "I hear you've been living with orphans", rather than "...you are living with orphans".

Let's see what Tetsuya Nomura (the Director) and Yoshinori Kitase (the Producer) have said about the issue.

"Why is Cloud, who is now living by himself in solitude, in fact alone?" ~ Nomura

Cloud, who up till this point has lived apart from his former friends, now returns to Midgar, at which point the scene in Tifa's bar probably takes place. Otherwise, he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays." ~ Nomura

If he frequently changes where he stays, then it could be that he stayed with orphans at one point, but has moved on since then. Or it could be that he has started living with orphans recently. Also, if Cloud returns to Midgar, and the scene in Seventh Heaven takes place at that point, then this may mean that Cloud stopped by Seventh Heaven to visit Tifa, then left shortly afterwards, which is why in that scene she says "He's not here anymore."

"It's now 2 years after that journey, Tifa manages the bar Seventh Heaven in Midgar's sector 7 by herself. We can gather that they haven't seen each other in a while from the words "how are you?" The person on the other end of the phone doesn't seem to be Cloud, but could he be the subject of the call?" ~ Kitase

This was said shortly before the first film festival trailer was shown in Venice. If we're to go by what Kitase is saying here, then Cloud has been living alone since the events of Final Fantasy VII, and has returned to Midgar just before the events of Advent Children, not that he has been living with Tifa since the end of FFVII - otherwise there would be no need for Kitase to say "We can gather that they haven't seen each other in a while." This would mean that Cloud has been living a solitary life, like the official site states, but also that he visited the Seventh Heaven upon his return to Midgar, not that he was living there up until these events.

At one point, Cloud does say to Marlene "Let's go home", which is why many fans think that Cloud must have been living at Seventh Heaven. However if he did live at Seventh Heaven, then why would Marlene ask if Cloud lived at Aerith's church?

Speaking of the church, when Tifa and Marlene visit, this conversation ensues.

Marlene: "Cloud lives here?"
Tifa: "It seems like it."

If Cloud has recently returned to Midgar, then it may be that he chose to live in the church during his stay. Perhaps he went there after visiting Tifa at Seventh Heaven. If he is currently living in the church, maybe it's because he feels the closest to Aerith there.

So, based on this evidence, we can assume the following:

- Cloud was living apart from his friends after Final Fantasy VII up until Advent Children. It's possible he was living with orphans at the time.
- Just before Advent Children begins, Cloud returns to Midgar.
- He visits Seventh Heaven to see Tifa, Marlene and Denzel.
- He then leaves, possibly without telling Tifa, since she says 'He's not here any more' to herself, and then Denzel asks where he is.
- Cloud then goes to Aerith's church for a while. It is possibly where he is living during his stay in Midgar, since Marlene says 'Cloud lives here?'

Of course, at the moment all of this is speculation, so I wouldn't take it as gospel or anything. To be honest, there's no real way to find out the truth until Advent Children is released.


Well, that was long winded. :lol: Did I leave out anything?
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Materia Thief
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I agree. EVERYWHERE (on official sites, interviews) Square-Enix and Nomura have been saying that he's living a solitary life. Sure, he might visit them once in a while or keep in contact, but the use of the word 'solitary' destroys the idea completely that Cloud and Tifa are together living in a perfect little cottage, 2 children, a cat and a white picket fence. :lol:

Oh yes, I haven't seen you post anywhere else, so welcome Clerith-son to the forums! ^_^

If you want, you can post something in 'The Church' so we can all know we have a new member. :)
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Kaldea
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Just as a little rebuttal to the "Let's go home" thing Cloud says to Marlene, I've noticed a few things myself in real life.

Adults generally talk gentle to children, and they will speak on the same level as them. I have been around kids a lot and I know many people who do say things like what Cloud has said and they are in no way related to them nor do they live in the same area. By immediately judging Cloud's, "Let's go home" comment as it being his home as well, isn't taking the whole picture into perspective. How many people here have said and/or heard someone saying to another child something along the lines of, "Let's go see mommy"? Does it mean this "mommy" is also the mommy of the person saying it? No. People say what is most comforting and familiar to the child, regardless of their personal relation.

People's shallow minds amaze me. :rolleyes:
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Clerith-son
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I think that the fact that he is living alone, has a deep meaning. At first I thought that he did it, because he didn't want to spread the disease, but then I found that the Geostigma wasn't suposed to be contagious. So this is the conclusion that I reached:

He had the opportunity after the end of FFVII (in wich I'm sure he didn't had, or didn't knew he had Geostigma), to stay with Tifa. But he didn't wanted to, if he had loved her, he would have get over Aerith's death, and started to live a new live with her (Tifa). Instead he decided to live alone, and to become some sort of wanderer.

But why so much grief for Cloud? I don't think that you live a sad life like Cloud if you didn't had feelings for the person that you think that you let die. One thing is to want to be forgiven, in wich, yes you might be very sad, if you blame yourself for what you think you might have stopped, but that doesn't mean that you have to cut the links you have with others. Unless, the person you think that you let die, was the person with wich you wanted to start a new life, so now that she's dead you don't find more reasons to live, so now that you know that you have a disease, a disease that can't be cured you only wait for death. I don't know but since I've seen Cloud in advent Children I can't stop hearing this song played by remy Zero "Save Me" the one that's in the intro of Smallville. I think that although he wants to die, deep down inside he wants to be saved by Aerith. She's the one that could bring his true feelings out, the real Cloud, even if it was for a moment, I still think that she's the only one that can save him. She has to be revived.
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Shiva
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My take on Cloud and Tifa in AC can be seen on my webpage, here. :devil:

Great article, Madame Batolli! :gift:
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Seii Monogatari
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I agree with you, Cloud's Girl. That's always the way I saw it, and when I heard a cloti talking about it in an LTD, I was like :huh:.

Straw graspers. :rolleyes:
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Clerith-son
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I was thinking about Advent Children and it made me remember a movie: Gladiator. i don't know how many of you have seen the movie, but for the ons who have seen it, remember that Maximus's family was murdered by the roman Emperor, right? And after that the only thing he wanted to do was to seek for revenge, then he bacame a Gladiator, in order to stop being a slave and to find a way to kill the Emperor. And remember at the end when the Emperor stabs him, and evon so he is beaten by Maximus. And that at the end Maximus died and when he died he met with his family?

I think that there are great possibilities that AC follows the same path, Cloud fights until he beats the enemy, they find a cure, but even su time had ran out for Cloud, but when he died he found his Promised Land wich was to be with Aerith, quite a comparison, right?
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