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| Where Is Cloud Living?; This is driving me crazy | |
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| wilhelm | Dec 17 2004, 04:19 PM Post #91 |
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From just the audio, I'm more inclined to agree with the '...anymore' translation. I did disagree with a few things from what I saw of the official translation (I remember disagreeing, but I can't recall what I was I was disagreeing with now :lol: ), although I don't know if Square gave the translators notes for it giving them indications on how to put things. This is Daeya.org's report on the AC special edition screening in Montreal mentioning the part in question. |
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| Anastar | Dec 17 2004, 04:39 PM Post #92 |
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I've heard that it's rather difficult to translate Japanese from audio only because it's out of context... is that true? If that's the case, then I'm sure it's difficult to do a translation that way. I'm sure the translators did the best they could with what they had to work with. Has the dialogue been finalized by Square? Even if she did say "anymore", it could still be interpreted that Cloud just came to visit for the afternoon, they expected him to stay, but then he left. We don't know how long he was actually at the Seventh Heaven. Since the dialoogue was printed on the screen with the visuals, then we have to assume that Square did the translation. However, there's many problems with the translation of FFVII, and I've heard that the translation of FFVII was done by outside branches of Square who were not involved in the actual development of the game. That was said in Ken Meguro's report on changes from the Japanese to the NA game on Gamefaqs. And thanks for the link to Daeya.org, Wilhelm. :rolleyes: |
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| wilhelm | Dec 17 2004, 05:46 PM Post #93 |
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Japanese likes to leave things out, like what the subject you're talking about is. So if it's understood from the context, you can leave it out. Like in Tifa's line, which didn't actually mention who wasn't there (but you can assume it's Cloud since the phone had started ringing, and I assume that phone was only for Cloud's business or she probably would have answered it 'Seventh Heaven' instead of 'Strife Delivery Service'). But they did have both the audio track and video to work with, and I assume with some official support, so they shouldn't have had too much trouble. That said, I think Daeya.org only mentioned that line in the text and it's not on an actual image, and unless they took a picture of every single line of dialogue and they just aren't putting them online, I think it's reasonable to assume they didn't remember every line exactly.
Japanese or English dialogue? It doesn't really matter though, since I don't really know either way :lol: One of the wheelchair man's lines in the Special Edition was slightly different to the one heard in the trailer (the 'living with orphans' line, although it was only the 'I've heard...' part that was changed and it still means the same thing), so perhaps they rewrote some other ones. Plus there is this new delay and addition to the scenario, which might mean they will change some other lines to make it fit in.
That's the problem with trying to guess what's going on from trailers and digest versions, really.
I'm not certain how it works professionally, but I think they could add the subtitles without Square. Though having not seen the preview myself and no one seems to have taken a picture of the credits, I don't know who did it (people associated with Square, people associated with Montreal or one of the other festivals, or an outside company. |
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| Anastar | Dec 17 2004, 06:13 PM Post #94 |
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They have a whole lot more pics than they ever showed us. They said in the forums, for example, that they have a pic of the scene where Cloud has the pink ribbon on his arm, but they wouldn't show it to us. Aerith and I begged them to, but they wouldn't. Square may not have given them permission to use it or something.
I've honestly wondered whether Square has been slightly changing each preview in order to keep us guessing. The scene with Cloud wearing the pink ribbon wasn't in the Venice film festival, for example. Some dialogue has been slightly changed, like you mentioned. It seems to me that things have been slightly changed both in visuals and dialogue in all of the Film Festivals, as if different segments of the same scenes were used in each festival.
Exactly... since Cloud living with Tifa contradicts all that we heard in interviews, I think there's a good possibility that he was just visiting them for the afternoon and then left. Plus, we have no idea where the orphanage is yet, and that's where Cloud is living. If the orphanage is the Seventh Heaven, then why are all these sick children on the street outside of it?
I would assume that Square did it, but that's a good point. :rolleyes: |
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| wilhelm | Dec 17 2004, 06:40 PM Post #95 |
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Where was it said Square ever gave them premission for any of it? As far as I know Square don't concern themselves much with giving exclusive information and media to fansites, I don't see why they suddenly would start for a site that wasn't even about AC until Montreal.
Without having someone who has seen all the previews from Venice, Montreal and Tokyo (so you can be sure it wasn't just a difference in how someone describes something and noticing something others missed) or someone from Square saying they made changes to it, I guess you can't really be sure if they did change anything or not (did the Venice one have English or Italian subtitles? That might account for differences). |
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| Anastar | Dec 17 2004, 06:55 PM Post #96 |
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I've seen several references to approval from Square in the Daeya.org report, such as this one: With the help of Aibo from FF7:AC Reunion, we were informed that Square-Enix autorized us to publish all the Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Pictures we have and we are glad to finally be able to present over 60 FF7 Advent Children pictures free to download and redistribute! Source: Daeya.org |
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| wilhelm | Dec 17 2004, 07:05 PM Post #97 |
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Considering some of the things the webmaster's done before, like trying to set up his Crisis Core site to look like it was the official English site without any mention of it being a fansite or link back to Daeya.org at all, I'm a little weary to believe it without proof personally. Nomura also said he didn't want people putting the pictures they took of the screening online, which kind of contradicts this 'Square gave us permission' thing. |
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| Shiva | Dec 18 2004, 12:33 AM Post #98 |
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Exactly. And this interpretation makes much more sense, as it does not contradict what we have heard in interviews.
Yep! NO ONE should assume Cloud is living with Tifa at this point, because it goes against EVERYTHING we have been told regarding Cloud, Tifa, and their relationship. Of course, the CloTis won't listen to reason, but, then again, they never did. :rolleyes: It will just make their downfall all the more amusing when it turns out that Cloud was not living with Tifa when AC comes out. :lol: *Cackles*
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| Anastar | Dec 18 2004, 03:45 AM Post #99 |
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Hmmm... interesting, Wilhelm. I hadn't heard that before. Yet, one of Daeya.org's Sephiroth pics was posted on FF7Reunion. I believe that SquarNet showed it, too. It's hard to believe that Square wouldn't be aware of the pics they posted. |
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| Onigiri | Dec 18 2004, 06:23 PM Post #100 |
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Things can easily be changed. At the beginning they said that Cloud lived alone, etc, but they could have easily changed it during productions to make him live with Tifa....Just cause he lived with her doesn't mean anything romantic though. Well, maybe they'll change it again when it comes out. or it was just misleading dialogue... |
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| Anastar | Dec 18 2004, 06:42 PM Post #101 |
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But some of the statements about Cloud living alone in interviews were made within weeks of the first Film Festival premier. Statements about Cloud living a solitary life were made when AC was first announced, and they continued until a few weeks before the first Film Festival at Venice. I don't believe that anything has been said about where Cloud was living since the Venice Film Festival. It's hard to believe that Square would give us misleading information for months, and then sock us with "the truth" in a Film Festival. |
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| wilhelm | Dec 18 2004, 10:37 PM Post #102 |
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I think they've already gotten an email (similar to the one Square sent to AdventChildren.NET) asking them to take down "trailers and other media" because it's in violation of their copyright laws. |
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| Sefie | Dec 19 2004, 03:21 AM Post #103 |
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Yeah, I don't think that Square would just lie to us for months, and then suddenly the movie is far different than what they've been saying. The CloTi's are calling the interviews "old news" and yet up until now they've been saying "Cloud lives alone" |
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| Tifa Lockheart | Dec 19 2004, 07:24 AM Post #104 |
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Is it just me or I saw supplies in the Church? It's in the scene when Marlene and Tifa were in the Church and the former asked the latter, "Is this where Cloud lives?"... there was like a sleeping bag, a lantern... stuff needed for camping. <_< |
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| Anastar | Dec 19 2004, 03:23 PM Post #105 |
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All I noticed was the box that the bandages were lying on. I'll have to go watch the trailer again. Camping gear would indicate that he just recently moved there, wouldn't you say? The WCM saying that Cloud was living with the orphans is another indication that he wasn't living at the Seventh Heaven, actually. We've seen nothing to suggest that the Seventh Heaven is the orphanage, and I don't see how there would be enough room in the Seventh Heaven for all of those children to be living there. @ Wilhelm - that's interesting that Daeya.org has received a letter from Square. If they have received such a letter, I don't see any indicaton that they are complying with it. Would you please check Square's AC website to see what Cloud's profile says? It originally said that Cloud was living a solitary life. Have any changes been made to his profile, or does it still say that? |
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As far as I know Square don't concern themselves much with giving exclusive information and media to fansites, I don't see why they suddenly would start for a site that wasn't even about AC until Montreal.
NO ONE should assume Cloud is living with Tifa at this point, because it goes against EVERYTHING we have been told regarding Cloud, Tifa, and their relationship. Of course, the CloTis won't listen to reason, but, then again, they never did. :rolleyes: It will just make their downfall all the more amusing when it turns out that Cloud was not living with Tifa when AC comes out. :lol: *Cackles*
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