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Where Is Cloud Living?; This is driving me crazy
Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 01:45 AM (3,338 Views)
slowerthanaverage
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Very very interesting..if say the alleyway is the orphanage or leads to the orphanage..and 7th heaven is right across it....it would make sense for 1) Cloud to be staying with the orphans,
2)yet apart from his former friends,
3)yet run a courier service with Tifa.... do i make sense?

However, nomura said that it can be interpreted that cloud and tifa didn't have much communication right? I remembered reading the interview somewhere (with the pic showing cloud on the mobile), and that Tifa basically leaves msgs for cloud in his mobile...seldom speaks to him directly. T
hus, if cloud is living just opposite tifa, it makes no sense for them to be in little contact.....unless cloud deliberately avoids her.

OR maybe that alleyway or the building being 7th heaven isn't significant at all. lol.
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slowerthanaverage
Dec 12 2004, 06:00 PM
OR maybe that alleyway or the building being 7th heaven isn't significant at all. lol.

That's always possible... Sephie made a good point, too, that Nomura said that Cloud has just returned to Midgar. So why would the orphanage be down the alley or in the alley or whatever, if Cloud has just returned there?

I can't make any sense of this - where are the orphans living? How can Cloud be running a courier service and working alone in an orphanage at the same time? How can Cloud be apart from his former friends, yet the orphanage is in the alley next to the Seventh Heaven (if that's where it's actually located)? Square is being so contradictory, it's driving me crazy. :huh:

Clorith suggested that the orphanage may be at the Healin' Lodge, which is a good suggestion except that I can't see the children being kept where the WCM and the SHM are. It also appears to have been deserted for a rather long time.

I'm still looking for the references to the orphanage, Amore... the search mechanism at ACF doesn't work well, however. If I search the news section for "interview", it only gives me two results. If I search it for "Nomura", it only gives me four results. <_<
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Dec 12 2004, 07:55 PM
That's always possible... Sephie made a good point, too, that Nomura said that Cloud has just returned to Midgar. So why would the orphanage be down the alley or in the alley or whatever, if Cloud has just returned there?

I can't make any sense of this - where are the orphans living? How can Cloud be running a courier service and working alone in an orphanage at the same time? How can Cloud be apart from his former friends, yet the orphanage is in the alley next to the Seventh Heaven (if that's where it's actually located)? Square is being so contradictory, it's driving me crazy. :huh:

Clorith suggested that the orphanage may be at the Healin' Lodge, which is a good suggestion except that I can't see the children being kept where the WCM and the SHM are. It also appears to have been deserted for a rather long time.

I'm still looking for the references to the orphanage, Amore... the search mechanism at ACF doesn't work well, however. If I search the news section for "interview", it only gives me two results. If I search it for "Nomura", it only gives me four results. <_<

Hmmm... Well, I don't know if that is the orphanage or not, then. :huh: I mean, if Cloud is just returning to Midgar... :blink:

Anyways, are we sure that the SHM are at the Healin Lodge? Isn't it just the WCM that is there? It would make sense for him to be there, as he has Geostigma. It would also make sense for the orphans with Geostigma to be there. Do the SHM have Geostigma? :huh:
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Dec 12 2004, 08:01 PM
Anyways, are we sure that the SHM are at the Healin Lodge? Isn't it just the WCM that is there? It would make sense for him to be there, as he has Geostigma. It would also make sense for the orphans with Geostigma to be there. Do the SHM have Geostigma? :huh:

Perhaps the SHM are just visiting the WCM at the Healin' Lodge? I had just assumed the SHM were living there, too.

Okay, perhaps the children were living at the Healin' Lodge until Rufus decided to park himself there? It'd be like Rufus to kick all the children out. Not knowing what else to do with the children, Cloud brought them to Midgar? Is that a possibility?

Here's one reference to the orphanage that I found. Note that it is a rough translation of a scan from Famitsu:
http://forums.adventchildren.net/showpost....79&postcount=12

Two years after VII, a mystery illness hits the world on which peace had returned to. While people are being threatened by the spreading of this illness, three youngsters come for a sudden attack on Cloud who is continuing to work at the shop alone. (there's a name for this work place of his... i dunno.. literally, it means deliver home or something...) <Note from me: this could be the orphanage. She says it's the same "shop" as mentioned on page1 of the scans

The "me" is Clorith. Note that it says here that Cloud has been working alone.

FF_G: Do you remember the orphanage being mentioned? Amore doesn't remember it. It was mentioned several times soon after AC was first announced. And no, it hasn't been said that the SHM have Geostigma, which is wierd since they must have Jenova cells in them to be Sephiroth clones.
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Here's one reference to the orphanage that I found. Note that it is a rough translation of a scan from Famitsu:
http://forums.adventchildren.net/showpost....79&postcount=12

Two years after VII, a mystery illness hits the world on which peace had returned to. While people are being threatened by the spreading of this illness, three youngsters come for a sudden attack on Cloud who is continuing to work at the shop alone. (there's a name for this work place of his... i dunno.. literally, it means deliver home or something...) <Note from me: this could be the orphanage. She says it's the same "shop" as mentioned on page1 of the scans

The "me" is Clorith. Note that it says here that Cloud has been working alone.

FF_G: Do you remember the orphanage being mentioned? Amore doesn't remember it. It was mentioned several times soon after AC was first announced. And no, it hasn't been said that the SHM have Geostigma, which is wierd since they must have Jenova cells in them to be Sephiroth clones.

Yep, EVERYTHING we have seen states that Cloud is working ALONE. And, yet the CloTis still want me to believe that he is living and working with Tifa. :rolleyes:

I don't remember the orphanage being mentioned, I just saw statements being made that Cloud is living/working with orphans.
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Dec 12 2004, 08:47 PM
I don't remember the orphanage being mentioned, I just saw statements being made that Cloud is living/working with orphans.

Well, it was mentioned several times after Advent Children was announced. I'll ask Clorith and Shrouded if they remember it. My computer has quit three times while trying to look through the News at AC.net, which means I have to start over from the beginning every time it quits, and the search tool there can't even find interviews, Nomura, or Playstation 2 magazine, let alone orphanages. I was lucky to find the one mention of it that I did.
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However, nomura said that it can be interpreted that cloud and tifa didn't have much communication right? I remembered reading the interview somewhere (with the pic showing cloud on the mobile), and that Tifa basically leaves msgs for cloud in his mobile...seldom speaks to him directly. T
hus, if cloud is living just opposite tifa, it makes no sense for them to be in little contact.....unless cloud deliberately avoids her.


The screenshots where Tifa and Cloud were talking on a cellphone.Yea it was on a site. It stated that Tifa isn't really talking directly to Cloud. I'll go look for it.

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Well, it was mentioned several times after Advent Children was announced. I'll ask Clorith and Shrouded if they remember it. My computer has quit three times while trying to look through the News at AC.net, which means I have to start over from the beginning every time it quits, and the search tool there can't even find interviews, Nomura, or Playstation 2 magazine, let alone orphanages. I was lucky to find the one mention of it that I did.


I'll look for it....I don't remember though.Maybe it was somewhere in a site.
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I found the scan...

http://media.adventchildren.net/scans/0702_fam-1_trans.jpg

It states on this scan that Tifa looks after "ill orphans" while working at Seventh Heaven. Even on the page this scan was linked from it referred to this image as a picture of "the orphanage". But, then, it also states that Tifa communicates with Cloud via mobile phone. Are they implying this is the only contact she has with him? :huh: What about this scan:

http://media.adventchildren.net/scans/0702_fam-2_trans.jpg

It shows Reno and Rude talking to Cloud in what appears to be Seventh Heaven. It even states that it "seems to be the shop where Tifa works".
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I think she communicates with him via voice message. Not directly.
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Dec 12 2004, 10:51 PM
I think she communicates with him via voice message. Not directly.

That's what Square has said in interviews, but there's a picture of Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel on Tifa's desk, which indicates that Tifa has been with him at times.

There's other indications that Cloud has been with Tifa in the Film Festivals. Cloud even says to Marlene in the Sleeping Forest, "Let's go home", and Marlene is living with Tifa. In the Church, Marlene asks Tifa, "Is this why Cloud left?" when she finds Cloud's bandages. When Denzel wakes up in bed, he asks where Cloud is. There's many things in the Film Festivals which indicate that Cloud has been living with Tifa, yet all the interviews say he is not.

That's why we're trying to determine where the orphanage is, and where Cloud has been living, Shroud. There's many contradictory things being said vs. what is shown in the Film Festivals.

FF_G - the references to the orphanage were mostly made between September and December of 2003, before AC.net got started. There may have been a few references later, but the majority of references were made shortly after Advent Children was announced in Sept. 2003.
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FF_G - the references to the orphanage were mostly made between September and December of 2003, before AC.net got started. There may have been a few references later, but the majority of references were made shortly after Advent Children was announced in Sept. 2003.

Those scans I found were from December 19, 2003.

Here is another scan from January 4, 2004:

http://media.adventchildren.net/scans/famitsu22_trans.jpg

This one states: "While people are being threatened by the spreading of this illness, three youngsters come for a sudden attack on Cloud who is continuing to work at the orphanage alone."
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Dec 12 2004, 11:13 PM
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FF_G - the references to the orphanage were mostly made between September and December of 2003, before AC.net got started. There may have been a few references later, but the majority of references were made shortly after Advent Children was announced in Sept. 2003.

Personally, I think it is all just CloTi bait, put out there to urge the CloTis into buying AC. :rolleyes:

BTW, those scans I found were from December 19, 2003.

No, they said that Cloud was working in an orphanage alone. That's hardly CloTi bait.

Those scans didn't come out in December 2003. We never even saw the Turks until the E3 convention in May, 2004.

Aha!!! YES!! You found it!! Excellent!!

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Here is another scan from January 4, 2004:

http://media.adventchildren.net/scans/famitsu22_trans.jpg

This one states: "While people are being threatened by the spreading of this illness, three youngsters come for a sudden attack on Cloud who is continuing to work at the orphanage alone."

Good work, FF_G!! Thank you!! I knew it had been said! :D
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Actually, I meant THIS is CloTi bait:

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That's what Square has said in interviews, but there's a picture of Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel on Tifa's desk, which indicates that Tifa has been with him at times.

There's other indications that Cloud has been with Tifa in the Film Festivals. Cloud even says to Marlene in the Sleeping Forest, "Let's go home", and Marlene is living with Tifa. In the Church, Marlene asks Tifa, "Is this why Cloud left?" when she finds Cloud's bandages. When Denzel wakes up in bed, he asks where Cloud is. There's many things in the Film Festivals which indicate that Cloud has been living with Tifa, yet all the interviews say he is not.


:P I took that statement out when I realized that I didn't include this bit of your post. :rolleyes: *Smacks self*

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Those scans didn't come out in December 2003. We never even saw the Turks until the E3 convention in May, 2004.


Well, that was the date on them. :blink:

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Good work, FF_G!! Thank you!! I knew it had been said!


*Beams* :D

Okay, I just found this, too. It states:

"Tifa now takes care of the orphans."

So, we have a statement that Tifa takes care of orphans. WHICH orphans? Marlene and Denzel? Or all of them? And we have another statement that says that Cloud is working ALONE with orphans. WTF??? :blink:
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Dec 12 2004, 11:35 PM
Actually, I meant THIS is CloTi bait:
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:P I took that statement out when I realized that I didn't include this bit of your post. :rolleyes: *Smacks self*

Ah, okay... I was just bringing Shrouded up to date, since he's been MIA for a few months. BTW, Shroudster, you'll find more info on what the Film Festivals have been showing us on page one of this thread.

Perhaps it is just Cloti bait. The trouble is that we have all kinds of evidence in interviews that he is NOT living with Tifa, but what they're showing in the Film Festivals contradicts what the interviews say. I guess we have to realize that we haven't seen the beginning of the film yet... at least I hope we haven't ... and that the contradictions are explained at that time.

The only ill orphan I've seen Tifa taking care of is Denzel. If she's taking care of the sick ones on the street, then why is Denzel in bed while the others are out in the street? The ones on the street look every bit as sick as Denzel.

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Well, that was the date on them. :blink:

Hmmm... interesting. The only FFVII characters we saw until May, 2004 were Cloud, Aerith, and Sephiroth.
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Gaaaah, this is all so very confusing.
If Tifa takes care of sick orphans, then why ARE all those sick kids out in the alley? Wait...doesn't Denzel go outside at one point, when the moogle girl talks to him? Maybe the shot we saw of him in bed was just in the morning, or when he was having a bad spell. *shrug*
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