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Where Is Cloud Living?; This is driving me crazy
Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 01:45 AM (3,339 Views)
Sefie
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Wait wait wait, if the orphanage is in Midgar, then how is Cloud living with the orphans, but suddenly returning to Midgar in the beginning of the movie?
*Sooooo confused*
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Sefie
Dec 10 2004, 06:23 PM
Wait wait wait, if the orphanage is in Midgar, then how is Cloud living with the orphans, but suddenly returning to Midgar in the beginning of the movie?
*Sooooo confused*

They said he was travelling from place to place, which could have included Midgar, couldn't it? It's just that at the beginning of the movie, he stops by the Seventh Heaven so everyone knows that he's in Midgar.

See, I'm thinking that the pictures of the orphans seen on the street in the GanGan trailer must be at the same location shown here in the E3 trailer:

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See the children over to the left? Aren't the pictures of the children in the GanGan trailer most likely in the same location?
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I don't know..these kids look like they're suffering :( Oh Cloud why didn't you get them a better place to rest! lol

If that dark place is the orphanage, it certainly looks very run-down, and it seems like noone else is helping out with the orphans. don't these people *points at those walking up and down the streets of midgar* have any hearts?! :angry:
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Actually, to the right of where the children are sitting is Tifa's Seventh Heaven, if you look hard enough you can make out the logo.
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Dec 11 2004, 05:27 AM
Actually, to the right of where the children are sitting is Tifa's Seventh Heaven, if you look hard enough you can make out the logo.

I've just brightened and contrasted and sharpened and looked at all the pictures of where the children are sitting, and I see no logo for the Seventh Heaven. Which picture are you referring to?

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I don't know..these kids look like they're suffering  Oh Cloud why didn't you get them a better place to rest! lol

Well, they're suffering is caused by Geostigma rather from hunger or because no one's taking care of them. There's not a whole lot that Cloud or anyone can do about that.
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http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/...16070845959.jpg

Okay that's a much larger picture. Look to the right. Look all the way up. Just above the row of windows. There is a square with a circular, yellow crest thingie and a 7 within it. That is the logo fopr Tifa's bar based on concept art that was released some times agao. It's in sector 7 too, you can see the big "7" to the left.

Hmm, I dunno, I think I kind of agree with slowerthanaverage. Why would the children be sitting around in a dirty alley, sick and collapsing if they could be safe in the orphanage? When I thought about this it also occured to me that maybe not all the orphans are from the same place. In a post-apocalyptic world like Gaia, especially in Midgar, it wouldn't be that unusual. I'm not sure though, I guess it's up in the air.
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Amore - I changed your IMG tags to URL tags because the picture was stretching the page out so far. ~Anastar

Amore
Dec 11 2004, 07:28 PM
Okay that's a much larger picture. Look to the right. Look all the way up. Just above the  row of windows. There is a square with a circular, yellow crest thingie and a 7 within it. That is the logo fopr Tifa's bar based on concept art that was released some times agao. It's in sector 7 too, you can see the big "7" to the left.

I haven't seen this concept art for the logo of the Seventh Heaven released anywhere. Would you happen to have it?

Amore
Dec 11 2004, 07:28 PM
Hmm, I dunno, I think I kind of agree with slowerthanaverage. Why would the children be sitting around in a dirty alley, sick and collapsing if they could be safe in the orphanage? When I thought about this it also occured to me that maybe not all the orphans are from the same place. In a post-apocalyptic world like Gaia, especially in Midgar, it wouldn't be that unusual. I'm not sure though, I guess it's up in the air.

The same question could be asked about the Seventh Heaven, if that's what it actually is. Why wouldn't they be inside rather than across the street in the alley? I can more easily see them hanging outside the doors of the orphanage when the orphanage door is open than I can see them sitting in an alleyway across the street from the Seventh Heaven if that's where they live. But if the Seventh Heaven is where they live, why do we see no evidence of them living there?
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Okay, sorry about that. My laptop has a wide screen so it's hard to tell when images are too large.
It's the last picture on the right.
You see the logo blown up on the upper right corner and the painting depicts the same alley where Seventh Heaven is.

http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/dossiers...0004591_028.jpg

The image was too large for the page again, so I changed it to a URL. Don't worry about it, though, since you can't tell it's too large. :rolleyes: ~ Anastar
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I've seen the two images on the left, but I don't recall having seen the image on the right. How do we know that's the concept art for the Seventh Heaven? If that's been translated, does it say anything about that being the concept art for the orphanage, or does it only specify the Seventh Heaven?

It does look quite similar, although I don't see the alley on the left. It looks to me like there's buildings across the street from the Seventh Heaven rather than the alley. The skyline down the street also looks quite different in the photo vs. the concept art.

Again, I question why the children are on the street and in the alley if the Seventh Heaven is where they are staying. It's one thing if the orphanage is at the end of the alley and the door is left open for them to go in and out as they please. It's another thing if their home is the Seventh Heaven, but they're outside on the street instead. Would Tifa just kick them outside for the day? How come Denzel's in bed, but other children are shown in the alley just as sick as he is? There's also no evidence of them living inside of the Seventh Heaven. The orphans shown in the alley aren't the only orphans, either. These are the orphans:

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How would that many children fit inside the Seventh Heaven? Why isn't there any evidence of that many children living there if the Seventh Heaven is the orphanage? Why hasn't Square said that Tifa runs the orphanage if it's in the Seventh Heaven?
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That is the concept art of Seventh Heaven. There was a much bigger picture posted on AC.net but I'll have to search for it later. It was part of a TGS report a member contributed to the site but it looks like they don't archive their updates or something. I promise to post the enlarged Image because the crest is blown up and you can see the words Seventh Heaven. Ther alley way in the painting is the same one in the screen shot though.
I think the only orphans living in Tifa's Seventh Heaven are Marlene and Denzel so those children wouldn't really beliving there..
Um, I'm confused, what orphanage are you guys talking about? Sorry, I may be behind but I don't remember reading that in any of the interviews, can someone point that out to me please.
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Dec 12 2004, 01:31 AM
That is the concept art of Seventh Heaven. There was a much bigger picture posted on AC.net but I'll have to search for it later. It was part of a TGS report a member contributed to the site but it looks like they don't archive their updates or something. I promise to post the enlarged Image because the crest is blown up and you can see the words Seventh Heaven.

I remember the concept art being shown after TGS, but I don't remember that particular one. Perhaps I was too busy looking at the church and so forth. :lol:

Amore
Dec 12 2004, 01:31 AM
Ther alley way in the painting is the same one in the screen shot though.

Perhaps it can be seen in the larger sized image, but I can't see it in this one.

Amore
Dec 12 2004, 01:31 AM
I think the only orphans living in Tifa's Seventh Heaven are Marlene and Denzel so those children wouldn't really beliving there..

That's what we're trying to determine.... where the orphans besides Denzel are living.

Amore
Dec 12 2004, 01:31 AM
Um, I'm confused, what orphanage are you guys talking about? Sorry, I may be behind but I don't remember reading that in any of the interviews, can someone point that out to me please.

I could point you to it easily if Summoner Yuna hadn't changed her links when she reformatted AC.net. But the orphanage was referenced on several occasions. It was said that Cloud was working alone in an orphanage. The WCM also says in the trailers that Cloud has been living with the orphans. So we're trying to figure out where the orphanage is. The Cloti's are trying to say that the Seventh Heaven is the orphanage, which would mean that Cloud has been living with Tifa.

I'll try to dig up the references to the orphanage, but that'll take time on a phone modem.
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Okay, I found the image:
http://www.adventchildren.net/ff7ac/movie/...s/acsketch1.jpg
I'll just post the link because this one is really big *_*
It's the same picture, you can just make out the Seventh Heaven logo better.
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Oh my, where is that picture from? I'd love to get that on my wall. ^_^
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Thanks a lot ^^

By the way, under the "big house-shell" lol, there's a character with long and white hair...mm mm...

Maybe all the children who 're ill of Geostigma aren't orphans? Well some are for sure but maybe not every child???
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I'll try to find those interviews where the orphanage was mentioned today, Amore, but I'm sure others could confirm that it was said.

Coral
Dec 12 2004, 11:27 AM
By the way, under the "big house-shell" lol, there's a character with long and white hair...mm mm...

You mean you saw that during the film festival, or are you talking about the concept art? If you mean the concept art, we were wondering who that was. To me, it looks like Sephy, Cloud, and Aerith. To others, it looked like Cloud laying Aerith to rest.

Coral
Dec 12 2004, 11:27 AM
Maybe all the children who 're ill of Geostigma aren't orphans? Well some are for sure but maybe not every child???

That's always possible, but Square has always referred to the children as orphans.
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