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Couple; cloud/aeris
Topic Started: Oct 24 2004, 07:23 PM (3,695 Views)
Aerith
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Relax..it was just once compared to all the evidence we all have :)
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Seii Monogatari
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I have to wonder if it's because Sakaguchi is no longer with Square. It's not like Square to put out two wallpapers of Cloud and Tifa in Itadaki Street. They've always shown Cloud and Aerith together, not Cloud and Tifa. What is Square doing?


I kind of worried about that too. I doubt Square would change something so important, but if they've come out with Aerith, they should have put up a WP of them too... Why did Sakaguchi leave, anyway?
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Kaldea
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I think they just don't want AC spoiled for once. FFVII was spoiled for so many people. Aerith's part in the movie is very secretive right now. So they might as well give Cloud's "best friend" some air time for the fans.

And I think Itadaki Street Special is for the fans as well. Cloud for the girls and Tifa for the guys. It's all marketing really. So until we see what the plot actually has for both AC and ISS, I say shrug it off.
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Seii_Monogatari
Nov 7 2004, 08:36 PM
I kind of worried about that too.  I doubt Square would change something so important, but if they've come out with Aerith, they should have put up a WP of them too... Why did Sakaguchi leave, anyway?

Sakaguchi was asked to leave after the failure of Spirits Within. He's starting his own company now. I'm just really sad that he hasn't contributed to AC in any way... at least, not that we know of. As part of the original team, he should be there.

Cloud's Girl
Nov 7 2004, 08:46 PM
I think they just don't want AC spoiled for once. FFVII was spoiled for so many people. Aerith's part in the movie is very secretive right now. So they might as well give Cloud's "best friend" some air time for the fans.

True... but they've given her way too much air time, IMO. They haven't even put Aerith up on the AC website yet. I keep hoping that maybe they're giving Tifa fans a lot now because Cloti and Tifa fans will have a big disappointment when the movie's acually released. :lol:
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Nov 7 2004, 10:28 PM

Sakaguchi was asked to leave after the failure of Spirits Within. He's starting his own company now. I'm just really sad that he hasn't contributed to AC in any way... at least, not that we know of. As part of the original team, he should be there.


True... but they've given her way too much air time, IMO. They haven't even put Aerith up on the AC website yet. I keep hoping that maybe they're giving Tifa fans a lot now because Cloti and Tifa fans will have a big disappointment when the movie's acually released. :lol:

Lol, that's kinda sad, but that movie really stunk.

I hope CloTi fans are in for a big dissapointment! That's kinda what I'm thinking also.
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I agree that all the Cloud/Tifa-ness that Square is putting out (such as that Itadaki thingy you're all talking about) is for Square's own good.

CloTi or CleRis, all these people are going to give S-E a lot of moolah. They can't turn off one of both sides because they're all potential buyers.

Even though they're showing all these strong hints about Cloud/Aerith... they aren't explicitly stating anything. They aren't explicitly saying anything about Tifa and Cloud, either... and so the fans are confused, arguing which is true or not... and will be fighting for copies of their games and DVDs during release day~ They're very good at marketing... that they are.
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Nov 9 2004, 01:38 PM
Even though they're showing all these strong hints about Cloud/Aerith... they aren't explicitly stating anything. They aren't explicitly saying anything about Tifa and Cloud, either... and so the fans are confused, arguing which is true or not... and will be fighting for copies of their games and DVDs during release day~ They're very good at marketing... that they are.

Exactly. Square is rather secretive and it's hard to tell when they're hinting at something or not. This, I think is because nowadays, they like to leave a lot of things up to fan interpretation. Leaving it up to fan interpretation makes me sort of frustrated (e.g. The Love Triangle in FFVII), because there is no 'Yes, Aerith is Cloud's true love'--I wish Tetsuya Nomura would say that in an interview for once!--and CloTi's and others aren't convinced unless it comes straight out of Square's mouth. But Square doesn't try to, party due to marketing/money, I think.

I haven't watched Spirits Within, what is that movie about?
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I'm starting to think that they won't make Cloud choose at all in the movie. Either that or they will make muliple endings. Because I think they are gonna try to please everyone with this movie. I am gonna prepare for more confusion after it's released just in case. :blink:

But if Cloud goes all out and says he loves Aerith, I will die happy.
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Cloud's Girl
Nov 10 2004, 11:05 PM
I'm starting to think that they won't make Cloud choose at all in the movie. Either that or they will make muliple endings. Because I think they are gonna try to please everyone with this movie. I am gonna prepare for more confusion after it's released just in case. :blink:

But if Cloud goes all out and says he loves Aerith, I will die happy.

That's how I see it, too, Cloud's Girl. How can they make either side unhappy? Both Cleris and Cloti have a large fanbase. Regardless of who Cloud ends up with, one side is going to be very unhappy. Nomura already said that the AC Team decided to stop before contradicting the views of many fans. It's not in Square's best interests to pair Cloud up with anyone, or they're going to make a lot of potential buyers very unhappy.

The only way I can see them pairing Cloud up with Aerith is for Cloud to die so that he's no longer available to Tifa. If they throw some Cloti hints in the movie that Tifa and Cloud would have ended up together if only he hadn't died, that's the only way I could see them pairing Cloud up with Aerith for good. If Cloud is still alive at the end of the movie, they have to leave the Love Triangle inconclusive or they'll be losing a lot of potential buyers. Cleris people will be unhappy if Cloud ends up with Tifa, Cloti fans will be unhappy if Cloud ends up with Aerith. What's Square gonna do? :unsure:

I'll die happy if Cloud admits his love for Aerith, too. Better yet... give me a CloudxAerith kiss! :D
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Nomura already said that the AC Team decided to stop before contradicting the views of many fans. It's not in Square's best interests to pair Cloud up with anyone, or they're going to make a lot of potential buyers very unhappy.


Exactly what I mean about marketing reasons. Or else they want sell and their fans will be unhappy, etc. Meh. If it isn't too much, how 'bout a deleted scene where Cloud and Aerith kiss when the AC dvd comes about if it's not going to be in the movie? *looks hopeful*
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Hmm, maybe in the last FFVII compilation game, they'll have Cloud admit he loves Aeris!
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Lol, that's kinda sad, but that movie really stunk.

I dont think it was bad, at least not bad enough to fire Sakaguchi. Just think how much he has done to the Final Fantasy series. Do you think FF7 would have been the way it was (as good) if he wouldn't have been part of the developing team? I personally don't think so. So when I heard that he was being let go I thought that was very sad and unfair. We can't always succeed. Sakaguchi is a genious and would have been very useful in the future. Oh well, gaming industry is brutal and it only takes one mistake to ruin your career.

He tried to do with Spirits Within what they had done with every Final Fantasy so far, something completely new. But movies are so different than games and it is hard to create characters and a story we would learn to love in such a short time. So that's why with AC they took their most succesful game and now continue it in the form of a movie.

Sure, it's easy to say that this is what they should have done with Spirits Within instead of trying to create something completely new. So I admire them for what the did with Spirits Within. Heck, I liked that movie...it had everything most FF games have. It had it's magic, tragic story and that sacrifice in the end that was touching enough even if you didn't have too much time to get to know the main characters.

Ehm, I suppose that was bit off-topic, but I just had to get that off my chest, like so many other things lately. :rolleyes:
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Nov 13 2004, 08:09 AM
I dont think it was bad, at least not bad enough to fire Sakaguchi. Just think how much he has done to the Final Fantasy series. Do you think FF7 would have been the way it was (as good) if he wouldn't have been part of the developing team? I personally don't think so. So when I heard that he was being let go I thought that was very sad and unfair. We can't always succeed. Sakaguchi is a genious and would have been very useful in the future. Oh well, gaming industry is brutal and it only takes one mistake to ruin your career.

I never saw Spirits Within, so I can't comment on the quality of it. However, I was very disappointed to see Square let Sakaguchi go after all that he'd contributed to their company. It really makes me wonder, too, what the effect will be on AC. Nomura wrote the original story along with Sakaguchi, but I really feel that Sakaguhi should be in on it. I'm also wondering about Uematsu leaving the company right after the music to AC was finished... it's too soon after Sakaguchi had to leave, so I'm wondering if Uematsu leaving is party related to the loss of Sakaguchi? Will the other members of the AC Team be leaving soon, too?

I wonder... I also wonder whether Sakaguchi had any input into AC on the side? I remember one interview that had someone speaking in the background who wasn't identified. Vilaeth at AC.net noticed that when translating one interview. Could that have been Sakaguchi?

I can't help but wonder whether all of this may have some impact on how our favorite couple is portrayed in AC? :unsure:
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ClOud an AeRith Are So Meant 2 Be FoR jApNesE cUlTUr TeLLs Me So

EDIT: Hiding anti-Cleris text from the members. No need for you to see this rubbish.

But that's a great post, Clorith! :D
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I do think the remaining team is more Cleris-orientated, just that if Sakaguchi were still around, there'd probably be more direct hints. As for what Sakaguchi is doing now... I think he chose to step down, but still goes back to offer consultation. The FFXII director still has meetings with him, and he was credited as Executive Producer for KH. So I guess he'll still have some role to play, one of those Executive XXX types. Anyway, they wouldn't make it definitive that Cloud ends up with Tifa, whatever the case, as it wasn't Sakaguchi's original intention. I believe they respect him enough to not cross the line there. Aerith was based off his mother, after all.

Which makes me lean towards the suggestion that it's because the movie won't be CloTi, and thus to pacify that half, SE has to give a little more coverage to Tifa in the promos. Make it seem like Tifa has the "female lead" title in the movie, but pair Cloud up with Aerith. Anyway, you have to give a little. Aerith has been with Cloud in KH and KH: CoM, and Tifa's been pretty much neglected. If they didn't do this, it really might have negative effects on their sales. The difference between choosing between the Cleris and CloTi paths is that they can give Tifa more coverage but go Cleris, but they can't do the opposite. It might disrupt the flow of the movie, perhaps. And I guess the other thing is, the CloTi fans are technically the Tifa fans, and so as to have a happy ending for her, they pair her up with Cloud. I don't know, they complain about Cleris being cheesy, and there they are wanting Tifa to be happy. Oh well. *shrugs* Clerises on the other hand feel the entire plot of FFVII will be overturned if Cloud were to not end up with Aerith. Whether or not they like Aerith, they know that Cloud in the end belongs with her. Read some KH fanfic Author's Notes and you might get where I'm coming from. So basically, I guess SE is thinking along the lines of: If they can make the Tifa fans happy, give her cool fight scenes, more screen time, then perhaps they'll forgive them when Chloud ends up with Aerith. If they choose not to go Cleris and turn CloTi instead, they know they will get a serious backlash from the Clerises. We would feel betrayed. Heck, even the KH fans would feel betrayed. And we all know Kingdom Hearts is Nomura's baby.
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